2010 ford I6 vs BMW I6

kezzer · 05-01-2010, 06:44 PM

I have a (sort of friend) whose about to lay down some money for a 2010 BMW, 5 series with an I6, despite the luxury price tag, good looks and reliability, how do the Ford and BMW engines compare? I don't know BMW's at all, and he's been boasting about the car for quite some time now (without actually driving it)

I know the 7 series has a 3.0l twin turbo version, but not sure if the 5 series has this option?

The dudes VERY anti-ford, calls my FG 6 a

: would love to take him to the track and smoke him, should I be worried with either the 3.0l or TT3.0L

just_pazz · 05-01-2010, 06:47 PM

I dragged off a porsche boxter in the old xt... as far as I'm aware 2.9litre straight six and one hell of a light body, so fairly similiar I would think. It'd be pretty close between the two N/A's.

Paxton · 06-01-2010, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by just_pazz

I dragged off a porsche boxter in the old xt... as far as I'm aware 2.9litre straight six and one hell of a light body, so fairly similiar I would think. It'd be pretty close between the two N/A's.

That must be a pretty special Porsche to have a Straight Six in it.

Road_Warrior · 06-01-2010, 12:23 AM

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That must be a pretty special Porsche to have a Straight Six in it.

It might have had that extra special Epica motor in it.

(see what I did there)

Ghiadude · 06-01-2010, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

It might have had that extra special Epica motor in it.

(see what I did there)

I like it

just_pazz · 06-01-2010, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Paxton

That must be a pretty special Porsche to have a Straight Six in it.

Ok yeah far enough, I googled, it's a flat six....

Forgive me and I thank you for your sarcasm, much appreciated. Top bloke.

xy500 · 06-01-2010, 03:45 AM

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Ok yeah far enough, I googled, it's a flat six....

Forgive me and I thank you for your sarcasm, much appreciated. Top bloke.

you've got to admit, it was a funny mistake. After all porsche = boxer motors

just_pazz · 06-01-2010, 04:35 AM

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you've got to admit, it was a funny mistake. After all porsche = boxer motors

Yeah your right... it was a pretty silly mistake.....

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hehe guess I just got a little embarrassed n defensive.

Anyway, to elaborate further as I've nothing better to do(the subtle pokes helped). boxters are mid engine two door sports cars ranging from high twelves to low fourteens stock quarter mile... depending on year and model.

I'm driving a modded 4l ba falcon, which would probably do 14.5quarter at best. The numbers don't add up, so I guess my initial statement was kinda bogus as I didn't include enough details.

I ran this boxter from a rolling start, about 40k's and I kept up with it and then started to pull away from it at speeds I'm not willing to post here for fear of further incriminating myself. It was was definately a naughties model.

Anyway moral of my intitial post was the 4l ford I6 has some serious grunt, especially when factors such as weight are taken from the equation and shifting a fat pigs 16 to 18 hundred kilo a** off of the line and can more than compete with some of the n/a 6 euro engines out there. Ford Oz have done some good work considering the size of our market and the comparative budgets to euro manufacturers.

XR Martin · 06-01-2010, 09:58 AM

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you've got to admit, it was a funny mistake. After all porsche = boxer motors

Porsche has made plenty of V8s and Inline 4s over the years also.

flappist · 06-01-2010, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by xy500

you've got to admit, it was a funny mistake. After all porsche = boxer motors

Well except for the 928, 928S, 924, 944, 944S 944GT, 914 etc etc etc.....

Maggot · 05-01-2010, 06:49 PM

If he has a turbo model you're gonna get smacked!

Any of the larger sixes 2.8 or bigger then it will be fairly close I'd say.

UNR8D · 05-01-2010, 06:59 PM

BMW 530

200kw
315nm
6speed auto
0-100 6.5.
1540 kerb weight.

id say you might get wiped ;)

Maggot · 05-01-2010, 07:07 PM

Not to mention the 535 gt with 225kW 3L I6 and 400nm from 1200rpm

Either way. the FG sixes are capable of 14.5s quarters stock so it would be failry close.

Noddy · 05-01-2010, 07:17 PM

I would say the the bmw would just pip you due to power/weight info posted above. Doesn't the Ford na six pump out 205 on 98 and nearly 400nm?

What would be interesting is a xr6t or g6e against the bmw turbo engine?

Either way i rate the oz fg six very well considering the budget ford has to work with compared to bmw. Nissan being the other great straight six.

kezzer · 05-01-2010, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Noddy

I would say the the bmw would just pip you due to power/weight info posted above. Doesn't the Ford na six pump out 205 on 98 and nearly 400nm?

What would be interesting is a xr6t or g6e against the bmw turbo engine?

Either way i rate the oz fg six very well considering the budget ford has to work with compared to bmw. Nissan being the other great straight six.

Ok cheers guys, 1500 is light as, im not running a completly stock car, but still 1800 or so against that is a fair margin. He works high up in some firm in melb, so he has much more money to burn, no idea if he's considering mods.

I agree that the Ford 6 is a fantastic motor, ive been really happy with mine, only a few issues, but most of them are gone now. Why did BMW go twin turbo instead of a single? I always thought TT suited V6's more?

76txcoupe, only other thread ive had similiar to this was the VE or FG, I was deciding on a car to buy and thanks to this forum, I went with the FG.

DBourne · 05-01-2010, 07:50 PM

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Why did BMW go twin turbo instead of a single? I always thought TT suited V6's more?

AFAIK it was their answer to turbo lag (not being a smarty) smaller turbo then bigger turbo.

Dr Smith · 05-01-2010, 09:26 PM

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What would be interesting is a xr6t or g6e against the bmw turbo engine?

: I have it on good authority that the G6ET tailights look good from the driver's seat of a 335i...and I believe performance mode might have been selected...

From BMW's own site:
http://www.bmw.com.au/com/en/newvehi...6c_petrol.html

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The BMW 335i. This exciting six-cylinder in-line engine delivers a unique power-to-fuel consumption ratio. Thanks to High Precision Injection and two parallel turbochargers, it quickly builds up pressure, offering huge torque almost from standstill. 400 Nm are available from just 1,300 rpm. The engine responds immediately and revs up smoothly and willingly to 7,000 rpm. Direct petrol injection and Double-VANOS ensure that the 3.0-litre unit’s maximum power output of 225 kW (306 hp) is achieved both effortlessly and efficiently. Average fuel consumption is 9.6 litres per 100 km. Acceleration is at sports-car level: from 0 to 100 km/h in 5.8 seconds. Top speed is limited to 250 km/h.

...and according to BMW the G6ET would be "better then sports car level", lol

b0son · 06-01-2010, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Maggot

the FG sixes are capable of 14.5s quarters stock so it would be failry close.

bit still fairly irrelevant.

so what if the FG beats you in the BMW? you still get to go home in the BMW....

Iggypoppin' · 05-01-2010, 07:17 PM

I remember a similar thread, same OP, not going well.
It would be close, personally the BMW is probably just a tad faster but I'd prefer a falcon.

4Vman · 05-01-2010, 07:28 PM

Im not too sure a 5 series owner would give two hoots about "getting smoked at the track"... he's probably off to the cafe' for a late' or work to make the next 100k.... in style.

BOSHOG · 05-01-2010, 07:31 PM

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Im not too sure a 5 series owner would give two hoots about "getting smacked at the track"... he's probably off to the cafe' for a late' or work to make the next 100k.... in style.

nuff said lol

kezzer · 05-01-2010, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Im not too sure a 5 series owner would give two hoots about "getting smoked at the track"... he's probably off to the cafe' for a late' or work to make the next 100k.... in style.

hahahaha, yeah I'll agree with that, at least if it does come to the track, and my ford does beat him, he will most likely stop the ford bashing.

4Vman · 05-01-2010, 07:39 PM

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hahahaha, yeah I'll agree with that, at least if it does come to the track, and my ford does beat him, he will most likely stop the ford bashing.

No.. he'll probably just laugh at you for being so 1 dimensional... from the plush, refined, luxurious comfort of his drivers seat....!

UNR8D · 05-01-2010, 07:33 PM

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Either way i rate the oz fg six very well considering the budget ford has to work with compared to bmw. Nissan being the other great straight six

unfortunate for nissan they decided a v6 was the best way to go and are now stuck with the VG or VQ V6's and havent made a straight 6 in over a decade :(.. I do agree that the RB26, when its built correctly and not broken :P is a great engine.

UNR8D · 05-01-2010, 07:49 PM

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No.. he'll probably just laugh at you for being so 1 dimensional... from the plush, refined, luxurious comfort of his drivers seat....!

L.O.L... gold.

Gaz · 05-01-2010, 07:59 PM

Add to that when you report a knocking noise to BMW you aren't told it's within specs :P

Mongoose · 05-01-2010, 08:03 PM

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Add to that when you report a knocking noise to BMW you aren't told it's within specs :P

Yeah but at least you can point and roll over laughing when he gets pinged about $700 to change the engine oil and filter!

XR Martin · 05-01-2010, 08:56 PM

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Add to that when you report a knocking noise to BMW you aren't told it's within specs :P

Wanna bet?

On the previous shape 6cyl M3s they had problems with engines grenading, their solution? They dropped the max RPM by 500.

vztrt · 05-01-2010, 10:48 PM

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Add to that when you report a knocking noise to BMW you aren't told it's within specs :P

Put a real diff in it and problem is solved.

XR Martin · 05-01-2010, 09:19 PM

I think a FG (with the ZF) vs 530 would be pretty damn close.

G6ET would smoke any 5 series apart from the M5.

It doesnt appear the 535 is sold here, regardless, the turbo Falcons would still own it.