September VFACTS

[Mad_Pom]

Anyone got the preliminary numbers?

[turbodewd]

from today's Drive on smh.com.au

The Mazda3 small car has ended the Toyota Hilux’s five-month winning streak in the new-car sales race – as Mazda posts its best monthly result of all time.

Preliminary results show the Mazda3 topped the charts with more than 4200 sales – a new record for the nameplate and only the fourth time it has eclipsed 4000 sales – compared with the Toyota HiLux’s tally of 3400.

This means that after five months of the HiLux closing the gap, the Mazda3 is finally pulling away and gaining a lead again in the year-to-date tally.

Last month the HiLux was just 562 sales behind the Mazda3 when the first eight months of the year were tallied, now the HiLux has fallen to more than 1300 sales behind.

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With three months of sales remaining, the title of top-selling vehicle could still go either way.

Although Toyota continues to lead the market, accounting for almost 20 per cent of all vehicle deliveries, Mazda had a blinder – up 67 per cent on the same month last year and the first time it has eclipsed 10,000 sales – buoyed by good results from the Mazda3 small car, Mazda2 city hatch and CX-5 compact SUV.

The preliminary data also shows the market continued to be strong in September – up by an estimated 7 per cent – but not all car manufacturers came out winners.

Holden continued its slump – down 18 per cent in a booming market – and is on track to post its worst sales result in 19 years. With a tally of 8900 sales, it was beaten by Mazda.

The Commodore outsold the Cruze (2500 versus 1950 sales) but both models were down on previous months in 2012.

In response, Holden announced this week it was offering employee pricing across almost every model in its range for the next fortnight.

Ford was also down – by 5 per cent – but had a ray of light in the form of its Focus small car, which was its top-selling model with more than 1600 sales and has recently received a price cut.

The official VFACTS sales results from the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries are due out mid week.

[Resurrection]

Originally Posted by turbodewd

Holden continued its slump – down 18 per cent in a booming market – and is on track to post its worst sales result in 19 years. With a tally of 8900 sales, it was beaten by Mazda.

The Commodore outsold the Cruze (2500 versus 1950 sales) but both models were down on previous months in 2012.

In response, Holden announced this week it was offering employee pricing across almost every model in its range for the next fortnight.

Where are the "end of the Commodore/Holden" stories?

[MrZ]

Figures should have been released today as it's the 3rd business day of the month.

[Resurrection]

Originally Posted by MrZ

Figures should have been released today as it's the 3rd business day of the month.

Monday was a public holiday in NSW so the data will be released tomorrow.

[MrZ]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Monday was a public holiday in NSW so the data will be released tomorrow.

It has nothing to do with NSW - the FCAI (VFACTS) are based in the ACT. Don't think you're more important than you are.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Where are the "end of the Commodore/Holden" stories?

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Holden have already invested hundreds of millions to keep Commodore going, and are investing even more for the 2 vehicles they plan on building post 2018.

Thats why, their future is already on the table.

Whereas at Ford its no plan post 2016 on the table, with the possibility it may be another 2 or so years before anyone really knows whats going to happen.

Holden have nipped the negative speculation in the bud, Ford should take note.

to me that tells me that holden would be more concerned than ford right now. they have committed themselves to a car that is in a segment still trying to find its new level of market share. falcon sales seem to have plateaued out around 1100/month, give or take, whilst commodore are still not that steady. hopefully for them VF will stabilise the drop for them but thats still a long way off.

holden have also committed to the small car program and unlike commodore is a lot fresher, and is also starting to struggle against its rivals, esp mazda3 and corolla. focus also not far behind this month. with so much choice, badge loyalty will only go so far.

[BroadyFord]

I hate this time of the month... :(

[HULK EF]

Originally Posted by BroadyFord

I hate this time of the month... :(

moody/happy/angry much?

[Nikked]

Ford is holding stedy ground, lower focus pricing should give them a boost.

[BHDOGS]

Mazda losing billions everywhere except Australia were we like to buy what everyone else is

[csv8]

"Holden continued its slump – down 18 per cent in a booming market – and is on track to post its worst sales result in 19 years. With a tally of 8900 sales, it was beaten by Mazda.'
So, thats why Holden is offering employee prices to everyone ? and 0% ??

Why is Mazda selling well in Australia but not elsewhwere ?? maybe its ADVERTISING !!!! Wakey Wakey Ford Aus !!!!

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by csv8

"Holden continued its slump – down 18 per cent in a booming market – and is on track to post its worst sales result in 19 years. With a tally of 8900 sales, it was beaten by Mazda.'
So, thats why Holden is offering employee prices to everyone ? and 0% ??

Why is Mazda selling well in Australia but not elsewhwere ?? maybe its ADVERTISING !!!! Wakey Wakey Ford Aus !!!!

Urgh its not all about advertising...

[DanielXR8]

hmm well everyones experience will be different of course but mine to contrast and compare. Recently I purchased a Mazda 6 wagon.

The dealer prepared the car and had it in the showroom with seating next to it, where we sat down and went through the paperwork for delivery and got a run through on the cars functions etc. He took a photo of the car (which he offered for us to be in) and presented us with a bottle of local wine, before ensuring we were happy with everything and then opening the showroom doors for the big exit. They put on a good show.

Had two calls from Mazda Australia in four weeks checking how we were going. Also they had my file on hand and knew I was a previous customer and thanked me for returning.

Had a full size colour photo of the car in the showroom (from earlier) in a binding sent to our home with a thank you for purchasing the car from the dealer.

Had a booklet on the history of Mazda sent to me from Mazda Australia about three weeks after we got the car and a thank you letter.

Got two letters from the local dealer. One asking to fill out a survey on the new car buying experience and the other explaining our factory warranty and including a booklet from Mazda.

Got a Nielsen survey on behalf of Mazda Australia about five weeks in asking us how we were finding the car. Got a courtesy follow up call from Mazda Australia when they received it.

My last experience with the local Ford dealer. Took my Territory in for the ball joint recall. They said the job was done and it sure wasn't. The inspection report said all the rest of the suspension was fine - it wasn't not by a long shot with torn bushes at the rear, that were in one case literally in two halves.

They said the ballpoints were replaced and had been road tested ok. Took it out and it was making so many loud banging noises I drove it straight to my local mechanic who fixed it and explained how they screwed it up. Said it looked like the apprentice had done it. Oh and when I asked what warranty was on the new ballpoints the service guy said none, because Ford paid for it. So add lieing to the customer service. Finally they scratched the crap out of one of my alloy wheels.

On top of all that the guy who sold me the Mazda use to work at the Ford dealer, but had been made redundant. Apparently sales are down over at the Ford shop.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by DanielXR8

hmm well everyones experience will be different of course but mine to contrast and compare. Recently I purchased a Mazda 6 wagon.

etc ........ .

Have had the same from Ford dealers so its not just a Mazda thing. Picked up my parents car from Freeway Ford and had a big banner across the windscreen with congrats, pohots were taken, pressies given ..... etc.

Sick of people bagging out all dealers ..... some are crap, most are good and the good ones rival those from others brand and surpass in many instances.

It is NOT a reason for someone NOT to buy their FIRST Ford and after picking up an absolute crap load of new FORD cars ...... The quality of the car is the reason I and many buy ...... not because of a wonderful salesman!

I buy the car I am happy with and DO NOT buy because I am in love with the salesman or need loving back and certainly do not need to be wined and dined by the dealer. Give me the keys as I want to get in and drive the thing!!

Whinge about dealers comes up everytime, once a month like clockwork so leaving this topic here and back with the topic at hand.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

Have had the same from Ford dealers so its not just a Mazda thing. Picked up my parents car from Freeway Ford and had a big banner across the windscreen with congrats, pohots were taken, pressies given ..... etc.

Sick of people bagging out all dealers ..... some are crap, most are good and the good ones rival those from others brand and surpass in many instances.

It is NOT a reason for someone NOT to buy their FIRST Ford and after picking up an absolute crap load of new FORD cars ...... The quality of the car is the reason I and many buy ...... not because of a wonderful salesman!

I buy the car I am happy with and DO NOT buy because I am in love with the salesman or need loving back and certainly do not need to be wined and dined by the dealer. Give me the keys as I want to get in and drive the thing!!

Whinge about dealers comes up everytime, once a month like clockwork so leaving this topic here and back with the topic at hand.

quoting so people can read it twice.

be nice to keep this thread about the sales figures and not the usual tripe.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Ford is holding stedy ground, lower focus pricing should give them a boost.

Ford need Focus to fire, its in one of the most important/largest segments and they are giving up thousands of sales Vs 3, Corolla, Cruze, I30 etc. Its one of the best cars in class and should be selling above 2000 every month IMO. With a cheaper RRP and better supplies from Thailand its do-able.

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Where are the "end of the Commodore/Holden" stories?

Holden have already invested hundreds of millions to keep Commodore going, and are investing even more for the 2 vehicles they plan on building post 2018.

Thats why, their future is already on the table.

Whereas at Ford its no plan post 2016 on the table, with the possibility it may be another 2 or so years before anyone really knows whats going to happen.

Holden have nipped the negative speculation in the bud, Ford should take note.

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

Have had the same from Ford dealers so its not just a Mazda thing. Picked up my parents car from Freeway Ford and had a big banner across the windscreen with congrats, pohots were taken, pressies given ..... etc.

Sick of people bagging out all dealers ..... some are crap, most are good and the good ones rival those from others brand and surpass in many instances.

It is NOT a reason for someone NOT to buy their FIRST Ford and after picking up an absolute crap load of new FORD cars ...... The quality of the car is the reason I and many buy ...... not because of a wonderful salesman!

I buy the car I am happy with and DO NOT buy because I am in love with the salesman or need loving back and certainly do not need to be wined and dined by the dealer. Give me the keys as I want to get in and drive the thing!!

Whinge about dealers comes up everytime, once a month like clockwork so leaving this topic here and back with the topic at hand.

This wouldn't make any sense in a PM to you, so I'll say it here.

His experience isn't any less credible just because ford have rolled out the red carpet for you. Of course it would be naive to say that all Mazda dealers are just as fantastic.. because that happens with all companies, and who represent them in the purchase of their product greatly vary.

But according to DanielXR8's experience. Mazda the company itself was very proactive in staying in touch and making sure their experience was a pleasant one. And it's comforting to know that you will be looked after when you return, or have an issue with the vehicle. If you know your local dealer are bunch of mugs that you'd have to battle with at every turn, it can drive some to not bother with a great car for rubbish service, when they can get a good car with good service.

I took away from his comment that Ford need to be more proactive and firmer with their dealers, because they are the only point of dealing with the Company in person. Even though they don't represent the Company. It's vital to their brand image.

Now Mazda has the best selling car, and best selling small car in Australia. Despite Ford's equal or better offering in the Focus. This will in some way reflect on the coming VFACTS numbers.

Time Ford bought a big ruler and started wrapping some knuckles.

[Fiesta_Man69]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

Whinge about dealers comes up everytime, once a month like clockwork so leaving this topic here and back with the topic at hand.

If "whinging" about Ford dealers is as regular as clockwork then what does that tell you?

Perhaps Ford Aus could use constructive criticism as given by this member and his experience with Mazda to their advantage?

People are also sick of speaking about other brands in a positive manner and getting slammed for it by the same three or four forum members. Is the forum not about having open and constructive threads/debates/conversations?

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

If "whinging" about Ford dealers is as regular as clockwork then what does that tell you?

Perhaps Ford Aus could use constructive criticism as given by this member and his experience with Mazda to their advantage?

Off topic and wasn't going to continue but .....

Whinging by the few ... but repetitive and constant ...... and its easy where they are cos you always 'Like' that post!

Hazard a guess but the reason most people buy a new (or any) car is because of the car ..... not the salesperson.

People have different expectations when buying of course ..... some want to take the dealer home and have dinner and be told how wonderful they are. Others just want to buy the car.

Some have higher expectations when it comes to warranties .... and have heard it all over the years. Out of warranty is out of warranty, altering the car from standard can void warranty .... etc

My point? Ford do have bad dealers but so does other brands. It is not a Mazda thing. Ford do have MORE good dealers than bad ...... so would Mazda and all the others. Not happy with a dealer as he wont take you for lunch? GO to another one. You want great service? Buy Euro ..... now there is service! And you pay for it and not always up front.

My point again ........ Ford WILL loose a very small percentage of new car sales because of some peoples expectations ..... but they also GAIN sales because of peoples expectations.

Ford Dealers are bad, in every sales thread, every month, is only from a few .... (you included). NOT from everyone. Is NOT the number 1,2,7 or 20th reason Ford is not number 1,2 or 3.

Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

People are also sick of speaking about other brands in a positive manner and getting slammed for it by the same three or four forum members. Is the forum not about having open and constructive threads/debates/conversations?

More people are sick of the few who constantly bag out Ford, the dealers, the cars, the company and therefore .... the owners and members on this forum. Yes ...... It is about open discussion ...... but if you cannot understand that it goes BOTH WAYS ...... everyone would be happy.

Please back to topic?? All has had there say on this topic.

[The Snout]

Originally Posted by DanielXR8

hmm well everyones experience will be different of course but mine to contrast and compare. Recently I purchased a Mazda 6 wagon.

The dealer prepared the car and had it in the showroom with seating next to it, where we sat down and went through the paperwork for delivery and got a run through on the cars functions etc. He took a photo of the car (which he offered for us to be in) and presented us with a bottle of local wine, before ensuring we were happy with everything and then opening the showroom doors for the big exit. They put on a good show.

Had two calls from Mazda Australia in four weeks checking how we were going. Also they had my file on hand and knew I was a previous customer and thanked me for returning.

Had a full size colour photo of the car in the showroom (from earlier) in a binding sent to our home with a thank you for purchasing the car from the dealer.

Had a booklet on the history of Mazda sent to me from Mazda Australia about three weeks after we got the car and a thank you letter.

Got two letters from the local dealer. One asking to fill out a survey on the new car buying experience and the other explaining our factory warranty and including a booklet from Mazda.

Got a Nielsen survey on behalf of Mazda Australia about five weeks in asking us how we were finding the car. Got a courtesy follow up call from Mazda Australia when they received it.

My last experience with the local Ford dealer. Took my Territory in for the ball joint recall. They said the job was done and it sure wasn't. The inspection report said all the rest of the suspension was fine - it wasn't not by a long shot with torn bushes at the rear, that were in one case literally in two halves.

They said the ballpoints were replaced and had been road tested ok. Took it out and it was making so many loud banging noises I drove it straight to my local mechanic who fixed it and explained how they screwed it up. Said it looked like the apprentice had done it. Oh and when I asked what warranty was on the new ballpoints the service guy said none, because Ford paid for it. So add lieing to the customer service. Finally they scratched the crap out of one of my alloy wheels.

On top of all that the guy who sold me the Mazda use to work at the Ford dealer, but had been made redundant. Apparently sales are down over at the Ford shop.

And judging by the sales figures you're not alone.

[Wretched]

So what's wrong with Mazda that it doesn't deserve the sales success?

The losses they're experiencing are also due to the environmental issues in Thailand and Japan last year among other things.
Their sales seem to be ok and their losses have shrunk.
Go Mazda I say. The 3 is basically a focus anyway. Both companies built the platform.

[tranquilized]

Originally Posted by Wretched

So what's wrong with Mazda that it doesn't deserve the sales success?

The losses they're experiencing are also due to the environmental issues in Thailand and Japan last year among other things.
Their sales seem to be ok and their losses have shrunk.
Go Mazda I say. The 3 is basically a focus anyway. Both companies built the platform.

Tall poppy syndrome? Jealousy perhaps?

I agree, I dont mind most of Mazda's range at all. I dont think the 3 is the best in class, but it would be in the top 3 with Focus and Golf. People buy cars on looks and they're lapping up the mazda flair right now.

[csv8]

Originally Posted by tranquilized

Tall poppy syndrome? Jealousy perhaps?

I agree, I dont mind most of Mazda's range at all. I dont think the 3 is the best in class, but it would be in the top 3 with Focus and Golf. People buy cars on looks and they're lapping up the mazda flair right now.

I don't like smiley face !!!!

[Windsor220]

Originally Posted by Wretched

So what's wrong with Mazda that it doesn't deserve the sales success?

The losses they're experiencing are also due to the environmental issues in Thailand and Japan last year among other things.
Their sales seem to be ok and their losses have shrunk.
Go Mazda I say. The 3 is basically a focus anyway. Both companies built the platform.

I've said it before on this forum that Mazdas reliability is questionable. 3 and 6 are ok its the rest of the range. My mate that still works there has told me the new CX5 and BT50 are already causing problems.

Mazda has built its image so well here. Women love the things.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by Windsor220

I've said it before on this forum that Mazdas reliability is questionable. 3 and 6 are ok its the rest of the range. My mate that still works there has told me the new CX5 and BT50 are already causing problems.

Mazda has built its image so well here. Women love the things.

BT-50's are bullet proof pretty much (like Ranger). The one I have for work is great.

As for CX5 everyone i know who has one raves about how good it is.

[Windsor220]

Originally Posted by DASH GT

BT-50's are bullet proof pretty much (like Ranger). The one I have for work is great.

As for CX5 everyone i know who has one raves about how good it is.

BT50s have issues with loose gear lever bolts and fuel pump pulleys. There are recalls for both already. My previous work has had an engine destroyed by the pump problem because timing gears were ruined.

The CX5 is an ok car to drive but we had some come back in the first couple of weeks on sale because of electrical glitches. I-stop is very problematic too.

[Road_Warrior]

Queens Birthday long weekend in Wait Awhile on Monday :P

[Joe5619]

Holden must be “packing it” over the cruze sales numbers. I really thought cruze would be leading the sales racing by now, but it seems to be going backwards. I know it is not the best in class, but I would have thought fleets would be lapping it up.. I guess Australia made means nothing these days.. So sad

Any numbers on Falcon or Territory, hopefully they are both around the mid teens for the month.

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

Holden must be “packing it” over the cruze sales numbers. I really thought cruze would be leading the sales racing by now, but it seems to be going backwards. I know it is not the best in class, but I would have thought fleets would be lapping it up.. I guess Australia made means nothing these days.. So sad

Any numbers on Falcon or Territory, hopefully they are both around the mid teens for the month.

I think the only thing going for it is that it is Aussie made, it is one of the ugliest and most dated looking small cars for sale.

I don't understand the hate for the Mazda 3 it is easily the best all round package, and looks really smart in hatch form.

Toyota must make a killing on those Hiluxes a brand new diesel 4wd dual cab is about 28 grand in Thailand - they sell them close to 50grand over here even with 0% tariffs.