FPV GT-R spec vs HSV GTS

[flooded one]

just wondering what do you think of this. I have a mate that's an absolute HSV nut. we were discussing HSV and FPVs the other day and he tells me the reason why you don't see a HSV GTS vs FPV GT-R spec comparison is because the GTS would flog it. I have too laugh .no disrespect to the HSV GTS. its is quick. but I haven't seen a stock GTS record 4.5 sec in a 0-100km/h time yet. his argument is you cant compare a GT-R spec to a GTS because the ford fans will think that's unfair. I have no idea what he means by it. anyone here reckon they know or know how a GTS would go against a GT-R spec?? in terms of performance of course not in what car has more gizmos etc.

[nstg8a]

Performance wise the gts will get a beating.

The 'normal' 335 gt already out performs the gts, the r spec is hardly going to do worse.

[Joshmcmillan]

Haha... The GTS would be annihilated.

[Kable72]

IT would be unfair to compare the GT-R to the GTS.. For the GTS that is

[T4ME]

In a straight line yes but take both cars around a racing circuit with a few high speed braking straights......give me the GTS every day of the week......off to the drags then give me the FG every day of the week.

Two different animals really.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by T4ME

In a straight line yes but take both cars around a racing circuit with a few high speed braking straights......give me the GTS every day of the week......off to the drags then give me the FG every day of the week.

Two different animals really.

you're kidding right?? the whole idea of Rspec, is to improve the handling aspect over the std version.

i haven't been in a GTS, but i have been around a track in a R spec driven by a professional, and if the GTS can beat it, then it deserves any accolades it gets. I would love to see it.

for a big car, the Rspec has some great point and shoot character. very responsive front end. its no 'straight line only' princess, thats for sure.

[T4ME]

Originally Posted by prydey

you're kidding right?? the whole idea of Rspec, is to improve the handling aspect over the std version.

i haven't been in a GTS, but i have been around a track in a R spec driven by a professional, and if the GTS can beat it, then it deserves any accolades it gets. I would love to see it.

for a big car, the Rspec has some great point and shoot character. very responsive front end. its no 'straight line only' princess, thats for sure.

Just my opinion from being in both cars(not on track but still easy to get fade in other situations),no need to get all defensive about it.The VE had factory Harrop oil cooler added also.

I am no Ford basher by any stretch nor did I mention she was a straight line princess.The FG is "just" behind still in chassis behaviour and suspension....only just.The R s pec suspension is a chalk and cheese upgrade to the normal GT type though.

I am a Holden man but have supported blue the last 4 years,very comfortable with my opinion in that it has no bias,I know a good thing when I drive or own one as I'm sure you do also.

About all these haters can you find the amount of names that do so and then factor in the total number of members here and report back with a % please,I think you will find it is very small and a amount not worth wasteing your time over.

Cheers.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by T4ME

About all these haters can you find the amount of names that do so and then factor in the total number of members here and report back with a % please,I think you will find it is very small and a amount not worth wasteing your time over.

Cheers.

The percentage of members will be low, unfortunately the 'haters' are more vocal than a lot of supporters, so it makes it look worse than it really is.

[1TUFFUTE]

About all these haters can you find the amount of names that do so and then factor in the total number of members here and report back with a % please,I think you will find it is very small and a amount not worth wasteing your time over.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]

you obviously dont spend much time around here

[prydey]

Originally Posted by T4ME

The FG is "just" behind still in chassis behaviour and suspension....only just.

i wonder how the HSV chassis would feel if it was putting out the same power?? its easy for a chassis to feel better when its got less power going to the ground.

just sayin

and for what its worth, i was saying earlier, that if the GTS is better, then it deserves any accolades it gets because the Rspec is a damn fine car. obviously i have only been in one of them so can't make a true comparison.

on the day that i got to have a ride, there was 20 of us in the group. everyone got to have at least one ride with many having a couple. the car was always at least 2up with passengers + driver, the circuit was about 2.5km and including some inner circuit twisties, the total lap was probably about 4km. the car did this at least 10 times and when speaking to the drivers they were very impressed and spoke highly of the cars ability to just keep going all day, with very little fade etc.

sorry for dribbling. since that day, whenever Rspec discussion comes up, i can't help myself.

[T4ME]

Originally Posted by prydey

i wonder how the HSV chassis would feel if it was putting out the same power?? its easy for a chassis to feel better when its got less power going to the ground.

just sayin

and for what its worth, i was saying earlier, that if the GTS is better, then it deserves any accolades it gets because the Rspec is a damn fine car. obviously i have only been in one of them so can't make a true comparison.

on the day that i got to have a ride, there was 20 of us in the group. everyone got to have at least one ride with many having a couple. the car was always at least 2up with passengers + driver, the circuit was about 2.5km and including some inner circuit twisties, the total lap was probably about 4km. the car did this at least 10 times and when speaking to the drivers they were very impressed and spoke highly of the cars ability to just keep going all day, with very little fade etc.
sorry for dribbling. since that day, whenever Rspec discussion comes up, i can't help myself.

They(GTS) do tend to get some tramp at most power levels in manual but there are a few aids to minimise this quite easily.A R Spec with some Teins and cabin controller would make the car that bit more stable again....in fact perfect,I also believe Holden's tire compound used from the factory on the GTS is more superior to the R Spec.

6k on a R Spec and it would be well and truly a can of whoop bottom for the GTS in every scenario even on the GTS that has 6k thrown at it......which would I drive as is though...R Spec me baby.

When you start to modify the two and say chuck 6k at both the FG will be miles ahead still.6k and you have a tuned FG with killer suspension,basically Supercar performance where as the Holden has to start from scratch with a blower plan as money spent on it N/A to keep up would be herendous.6k on a GTS gets you a tune,cam/spring package and a exhaust,about 320rwkw but just no where near the torque.A proper 1900/2300 blower package etc for GTS will set you back around 13-14k+ doing some work yourself lol.

Haven't been in a 400rwkw FG s/c so cant compare to a 2300 equipped GTS's pull.The characteristic of the FG motor to keep pulling up high may well get it over the line though,the way the 5.0 keeps making power is unreal,doesn't want to sign off

[Rockape]

Hasnt the GT beaten the GTS around a track already?

[Sorted]

The 4.5 seconds to 100klms was done with a passenger and a full tank of gas - so it is faster than that

FPV GT Rspec is odds in favorite to smash the HSV GTS

From Drive FPV GT vs HSV GTS back in 2010
http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor...105-17gti.html

Verdict

For most enthusiasts, horsepower is king and, in that regard, the FPV is a clear winner The Coyote-derived powertrain is a world-class engine in every regard except its fuel use..

The GT also matches the GTS for cabin quality, while costing significantly less, especially in the more popular automatic guise.

The result isn't that clear-cut, though. As an overall package for an enthusiast driver, the GTS remains our pick — only after much debate in the Drive office. It feels like a smaller car through the bends and manages to tame the V8 beast beneath its bonnet better than the GT. In short, it inspires more confidence in the driver.

It also has the gadgets enthusiasts crave. Potential distraction concerns aside, the EDI is a pretty impressive piece of equipment to show off to passengers, while the adaptive suspension and launch control also add to its allure as a performance car.

Finally, the GTS's exhaust note is more reflective of its sporty intent. It all adds up to a better-rounded performance-car package.

It turns out Tickford's David Flint was right all those years ago. Performance isn't just about who's got the most horsepower but the complete package. Ironically, a Holden has ultimately proven his point.


LOL when HSV had more power it was all about more power
NOW FPV is the clear winner and it is suddenly not all about power and drive go that extra length to quote David Flint just to be smart ***'s as HSV aint got it now lol

For me - I am never going to race round corners at a speed that I would need race car handling BUT I do take off fast at the lights & if a HSV GTS was next to my FPV GT or GT Rspec smashing it would put a huge smile on my face

Now I don't own a FPV GT or GT Rspec so I can't do the above but if I did I WOULD and that is where it counts for me

[UberKnee]

A GTS would get left in the dust in any situation against an RSpec, a regular GT leaves it for dead in just about any situation as it is.

Originally Posted by Sorted

The 4.5 seconds to 100klms was done with a passenger and a full tank of gas - so it is faster than that

FPV GT Rspec is odds in favorite to smash the HSV GTS

From Drive FPV GT vs HSV GTS back in 2010
http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor...105-17gti.html

Verdict

For most enthusiasts, horsepower is king and, in that regard, the FPV is a clear winner The Coyote-derived powertrain is a world-class engine in every regard except its fuel use..

The GT also matches the GTS for cabin quality, while costing significantly less, especially in the more popular automatic guise.

The result isn't that clear-cut, though. As an overall package for an enthusiast driver, the GTS remains our pick — only after much debate in the Drive office. It feels like a smaller car through the bends and manages to tame the V8 beast beneath its bonnet better than the GT. In short, it inspires more confidence in the driver.

It also has the gadgets enthusiasts crave. Potential distraction concerns aside, the EDI is a pretty impressive piece of equipment to show off to passengers, while the adaptive suspension and launch control also add to its allure as a performance car.

Finally, the GTS's exhaust note is more reflective of its sporty intent. It all adds up to a better-rounded performance-car package.

It turns out Tickford's David Flint was right all those years ago. Performance isn't just about who's got the most horsepower but the complete package. Ironically, a Holden has ultimately proven his point.


LOL when HSV had more power it was all about more power
NOW FPV is the clear winner and it is suddenly not all about power and drive go that extra length to quote David Flint just to be smart ***'s as HSV aint got it now lol

For me - I am never going to race round corners at a speed that I would need race car handling BUT I do take off fast at the lights & if a HSV GTS was next to my FPV GT or GT Rspec smashing it would put a huge smile on my face

Now I don't own a FPV GT or GT Rspec so I can't do the above but if I did I WOULD and that is where it counts for me

The automotive industry in Australia has a hard on for Holden, everything they do is gold while everything Ford do is rubbish. As you pointed out when Holden wins the power war power is the most important thing but when Ford win the power war by a wide margin suddenly power doesn't matter anymore.

Ford could put out an M5 killer and HSV would still get the nod.

[buggerlugs]

See, now I'd go and watch the V8's again if they had 15 of these beasts on each side.......

[blackf6]

I think the comparison is unfair based on the fact that the GT is supercharged and the GTS isn't.

[satria]

Originally Posted by teak81

I think the comparison is unfair based on the fact that the GT is supercharged and the GTS isn't.

much smaller engine though?

[blackf6]

Originally Posted by satria

much smaller engine though?

I am in no way taking away from the fact that the GT has a smaller capacity engine. But be serious it has a great big supercharger bolted on the top guy's of course it will decimate it.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by teak81

I think the comparison is unfair based on the fact that the GT is supercharged and the GTS isn't.

Seriously?

[mik]

Originally Posted by teak81

I think the comparison is unfair based on the fact that the GT is supercharged and the GTS isn't.

so i`m guessing it was fair when it was 5.4 vs 6.2 ?
you can`t have your cake and eat it too, the chev engine is considerably bigger swept volume.

[pottery beige]

thread needs rooje banging on about SRT8...

[prydey]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

thread needs rooje banging on about SRT8...

give it time, they will come. really odd the number of pro ford comments so far. obviously the Rspec is just that good that even AFF can't hate on it

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

thread needs rooje banging on about SRT8...

Originally Posted by prydey

give it time, they will come. really odd the number of pro ford comments so far. obviously the Rspec is just that good that even AFF can't hate on it

Lol, Christmas cheer must be flowing already, I lol'd....

[Rodge]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

thread needs rooje banging on about SRT8...

SRT8 would easily beat them both on ANY track

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by teak81

I think the comparison is unfair based on the fact that the GT is supercharged and the GTS isn't.

What the?


FPV also give up 1.2 liters...thats a whole engine...

Tough bickies for HSV.

[GTpilot]

Originally Posted by teak81

I think the comparison is unfair based on the fact that the GT is supercharged and the GTS isn't.

coming from a turbo owner.

[blackf6]

Originally Posted by GTpilot

coming from a turbo owner.

I own a GT too. And adding a supercharger to an engine would more than match the GTS cubic capacity. I just said it how I see it. I am not barracking for HSV.

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by teak81

I think the comparison is unfair based on the fact that the GT is supercharged and the GTS isn't.

Anyway back on topic....we all know the GT let alone the R spec is much faster then ANY hsv in a straight line. And if anyone knew what they where talking about they would also know that the standard GT is also faster around a couple of tracks then the HSVs that have been tested at. The Rsec would kill it around almost any track. Like RUSSEL i too would put my house on the Rspec in ANY race situation against ANY hsv....and you can take that to the bank.

To the OP...make sure you show your mate this thread

Oh yeah has anyone mentioned the nearly 2.5 sec faster acceleration of the GTs from 80-120 over the HSV. THIS is the true reason why in the real world they FLOG hsvs. And i agree with RUSSEL again...people just think the hsv has a good chasis. Its simply because it doesnt have the power to challende your driving skills like the GTs have.

I love these threads

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

Like RUSSEL i too would put my house on the Rspec in ANY race situation against ANY hsv....and you can take that to the bank.

Hmm, I'd back the wd40 to keep the r spec honest on any track that isn't an outright power track. And not just a one lap sprint.

R spec might keep up until it cooks the brakes and diff and transmission... The wd40 is the only true track biased modern muscle car made here in oz.

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

Hmm, I'd back the wd40 to keep the r spec honest on any track that isn't an outright power track. And not just a one lap sprint.

R spec might keep up until it cooks the brakes and diff and transmission... The wd40 is the only true track biased modern muscle car made here in oz.

your talking about a car from history now...not a knew car. plus how much it cost puts it way of this radar in reality