Advice on traction ...again.

**Stav** · 29-06-2006, 08:04 AM

Some time ago I posted that I was spinning my wheels off the line.Since then I have installed a 3.73 lsd and lowered the car a tad.The problem is that I spin both wheels!! At a recent meet I ripped a burnout with the same tyres used by others to get 14.3 in a six!!

I have since purchased some mickey thompson et street radials.I have been advised that 20psi should give me all the traction I need.

Does anyone have any other advice on traction improvement that I can use? I have a phobia that I will spin these as well.

Bermo · 29-06-2006, 11:44 AM

You need softer springs in the rear as a start, I'm sure the other guys will have some more ideas.
(Leaving the line @ 6000RPM is not the quickest way either..)

1TUFFUTE · 29-06-2006, 04:04 PM

Dont u have an auto useless??

OLS108 · 29-06-2006, 04:27 PM

Id be getting them down the 22PSI mate, if you have an auto and still have traction issues then you must have HUGE HP :eclipsee_

nugget378 · 29-06-2006, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by useless

Some time ago I posted that I was spinning my wheels off the line.Since then I have installed a 3.73 lsd and lowered the car a tad.The problem is that I spin both wheels!! At a recent meet I ripped a burnout with the same tyres used by others to get 14.3 in a six!!

I have since purchased some mickey thompson et street radials.I have been advised that 20psi should give me all the traction I need.

Does anyone have any other advice on traction improvement that I can use? I have a phobia that I will spin these as well.

Stav,you wont spin the M/T's at the track in the wagon, just rip a big burnout first up,They worked better for me when I bushfired em. Stop worrying about it they'll go well.

**Stav** · 29-06-2006, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by nugget378

Stav,you wont spin the M/T's at the track in the wagon, just rip a big burnout first up,They worked better for me when I bushfired em. Stop worrying about it they'll go well.

Big big big burnout mate :evilking: 22 psi ? Then I dont care any more.I am gonna stall this auto to breaking point and let it rip after a few hail mary's.
If it grabs I am gonna improve my pb with some luck.If I crack a 14 second time I am retiring from hard core modding and possibly taking up lawn bowls..nar joking

1TUFFUTE my car is an auto.OLS108 I dont have huge hp it just likes spinning?? ratter I lowered the back more.

**Stav** · 29-06-2006, 08:08 PM

Dammit thats what I am goiong to do and if I dont ,it will be a 1/4 mile burnout!!!!

1TUFFUTE · 29-06-2006, 08:38 PM

does yours stall up,spin and keep spinning through first or does it gain traction

**Stav** · 29-06-2006, 09:12 PM

On street tyres it just sat there at the track.On 245 semi slicks it spun then gained traction. I think nugget is right .The mt et street radials should do the job.

**Stav** · 14-07-2006, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by nugget378

Stav,you wont spin the M/T's at the track in the wagon, just rip a big burnout first up,They worked better for me when I bushfired em. Stop worrying about it they'll go well.

They did really well mate..thank you.Youre a leventi !!!! :sm_headba

hot460 · 14-07-2006, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by useless

They did really well mate..thank you.Youre a leventi !!!! :sm_headba

So I guess you ran the car on wed....... How did you go?

**Stav** · 14-07-2006, 07:02 PM

14.77 92.71 mph
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=56339

Only got one run.The sp3000a's will be used only for burnout comps if I ever go again.

Nugget is called nugget for a reason the mt did the job

Walkinshaw · 29-06-2006, 06:41 PM

thats the trick with slicks/semi slicks, get them hot. A good 10sec burnout in 2nd gear should do the trick.

ratter · 29-06-2006, 06:53 PM

I ran my street radisl at 18 psi and not a real big burnout either. If I smoked them too much thay would spin worse than if I did a shorter burn in 2nd gear.

Also lowering your car may make your wheel spin problem worse.

stiddy · 30-06-2006, 12:19 AM

Do a burnout, not like your trying to win a comp... just to get them hot, stage, stall it up and let it go.. it wont turn the slicks..
The trick will be either to stall it to max, or flash it before you leave the line.

Stav.. if you can turn these slicks at the track, i'll buy your wagon!

protd · 30-06-2006, 07:16 AM

no big burnouts on slicks thats just for public veiwing it actully makes the slicks greasy..roll through the water no brake 2nd gear stab the throttle shift 3rd as soon as u feel the slicks bit and beleieve me u'll feel it.. u'r ready to stage..

Walkinshaw · 01-07-2006, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by protd

no big burnouts on slicks thats just for public veiwing it actully makes the slicks greasy..roll through the water no brake 2nd gear stab the throttle shift 3rd as soon as u feel the slicks bit and beleieve me u'll feel it.. u'r ready to stage..

For some reason i don't think the Stingray wagon will toast them in 2nd whilst rolling and no break.....just a hunch.

get them sticky and go for broke stav. Running lean up top hey? Should be making some decent power now. 97mph+???

1TUFFUTE · 01-07-2006, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Walkinshaw

For some reason i don't think the Stingray wagon will toast them in 2nd whilst rolling and no break.....just a hunch.

get them sticky and go for broke stav. Running lean up top hey? Should be making some decent power now. 97mph+???

whats 97mph in klms ph any one know the conversion??

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northey · 01-07-2006, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

whats 97mph in klms ph any one know the conversion??

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Multiply mph by 8; then divide answer by 5.
The equation is : 1 km = 0.625 mile = 5/8 mile.

northey · 01-07-2006, 01:48 PM

Big burnouts are for show only. Read the manufacturers instructions; try it out then experiment and work out what suits you best.

The old racers advice above is well worth listening to. Generally the tyres only need dampness to lessen potential damage to the drive train.

Try as above said leaving the line with the convertor loaded a bit. It won't "shock" the tyres like mashing the loud pedal down will. When the car leaves keep feeding throttle into it when you feel the tyres can handle it.
If you keep "over accelerating" and wheelspinning you need to use a bit more discipline when driving.
It takes time and experience to be good at this sport. It rarely happens overnight.

Have a look at the tyres straight after a run. You can learn to "read" them and they will tell you an awful lot about your run.
If they show a darker band down the centre of the tyre the pressure is probably too high. If they show bands around the outsides the pressure probably too low. If chatter marks are visible on the tyres (like if you wheelspun on corrugated road) it probably is axle tramping.

An important thing is to learn to drive consistently first and get a good feel for the car. Don't do one run with new tyres and change something. Make it leave the line the same way for a few runs and then see what difference a change makes.
Change tyre pressures one pound at a time. It makes a difference. When you get it working you'll only change them maybe 1/2 pound at a time.

and have fun.

northey

1TUFFUTE · 01-07-2006, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by northey

Big burnouts are for show only. Read the manufacturers instructions; try it out then experiment and work out what suits you best.

The old racers advice above is well worth listening to. Generally the tyres only need dampness to lessen potential damage to the drive train.

Try as above said leaving the line with the convertor loaded a bit. It won't "shock" the tyres like mashing the loud pedal down will. When the car leaves keep feeding throttle into it when you feel the tyres can handle it.
If you keep "over accelerating" and wheelspinning you need to use a bit more discipline when driving.
It takes time and experience to be good at this sport. It rarely happens overnight.

Have a look at the tyres straight after a run. You can learn to "read" them and they will tell you an awful lot about your run.
If they show a darker band down the centre of the tyre the pressure is probably too high. If they show bands around the outsides the pressure probably too low. If chatter marks are visible on the tyres (like if you wheelspun on corrugated road) it probably is axle tramping.

An important thing is to learn to drive consistently first and get a good feel for the car. Don't do one run with new tyres and change something. Make it leave the line the same way for a few runs and then see what difference a change makes.
Change tyre pressures one pound at a time. It makes a difference. When you get it working you'll only change them maybe 1/2 pound at a time.

and have fun.

northey

Sounds like u no what ur talking about bro, so im gunna try that.

_2:
Thanks for the conversion..i wrote it down this time ...

shorty0601 · 30-06-2006, 08:17 AM

Sorry mistake

nugget378 · 30-06-2006, 08:33 AM

I ran the M/T et streets for a while,I wore out 2 sets, I could never get them to 60' with a small burnout especially for the first couple runs.
My car being a manual I can only do a second gear burnout and that is turning the wheels slower than an auto would.
Maybe you cant go off how they worked for me,the engine makes somewhere over 500hp and as such I could never side step it on the radials, I would just ride the clutch off the line.
When I bushfired them almost to the lights the 60' was 1.7's when I tried a small burnout the 60' went 1.8-1.9.

protd · 30-06-2006, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by nugget378

I ran the M/T et streets for a while,I wore out 2 sets, I could never get them to 60' with a small burnout especially for the first couple runs.
My car being a manual I can only do a second gear burnout and that is turning the wheels slower than an auto would.
Maybe you cant go off how they worked for me,the engine makes somewhere over 500hp and as such I could never side step it on the radials, I would just ride the clutch off the line.
When I bushfired them almost to the lights the 60' was 1.7's when I tried a small burnout the 60' went 1.8-1.9.

i ran a manual in a xd with about 550hp i ran 15x10.5x26 slicks i could leave the line at almost 7 grand i never tried street radials but so i cant comment on them.. nothing is gospal what works 4 me might not work for others.. i'm not sayin ur not doing it right u know how ur car works.. my 60's were low 1.6's and i used a line lock and used 3rd then let the line lock off once i got it into 3rd gear...

nugget378 · 30-06-2006, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by protd

i ran a manual in a xd with about 550hp i ran 15x10.5x26 slicks i could leave the line at almost 7 grand i never tried street radials but so i cant comment on them.. nothing is gospal what works 4 me might not work for others.. i'm not sayin ur not doing it right u know how ur car works.. my 60's were low 1.6's and i used a line lock and used 3rd then let the line lock off once i got it into 3rd gear...

I do 1.6's now on the M/T 15x10x26, I side step it at anywhere from 6000-7000, dosent seem to make much difference between those revs.A big burnout dosent make any difference to them,I still turn them though.
But the ET radials are not a wrinkle wall slick,if you side step those with that power you'll smoke em and go no where.
But on Stavs wagon he will have no trouble with em.

**Stav** · 30-06-2006, 09:15 PM

No worries mate .I will take a double dose of heart tablets and just smash the wagon doubly hard towards the finish line!! I am sure the tyres are gonna be awesome.
Just making sure ive done everything I can to get tratcion right from all angles..

dansedgli · 30-06-2006, 08:39 AM

Mate you wont spin them up. Do a nice skid. 5-10seconds long.

If I can get traction on my old AU on superlows with 8psi under my belt then you wont have any dramas.

I found the first time I went out I did a small burnout and got wheelspin on 30 psi. The second I dropped them to 20psi and did a slightly bigger burnout, they stuck like glue.

Good luck mate, decent traction should improve your time largely.

xr8ute · 30-06-2006, 12:00 PM

Dont worry Stav, it will grip. Those old D01J's where crap, and with your converter, you should be able to do a better 60' than I can anyway.

I hear you guys are probably taking your wagons out to WSID next week? Let me know if you guys are definitely heading out. I'll see if I can borrow a car, and I'll pit crew for you.

hot460 · 30-06-2006, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by xr8ute

I hear you guys are probably taking your wagons out to WSID next week? Let me know if you guys are definitely heading out. I'll see if I can borrow a car, and I'll pit crew for you.

I think I will be heading up to WSID for another go next week. I'll see if I can get a low 1.9 60'. on the dunlops, If so a 12 could be on the cards. :eclipsee_
I can give you a lift if you want.

Rich.

**Stav** · 30-06-2006, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by xr8ute

Dont worry Stav, it will grip. Those old D01J's where crap, and with your converter, you should be able to do a better 60' than I can anyway.

I hear you guys are probably taking your wagons out to WSID next week? Let me know if you guys are definitely heading out. I'll see if I can borrow a car, and I'll pit crew for you.

Dave if the weather is good me and Jonbays will definatley be going on wednesday.Its gonna be funny mate.Cold weather + no mods Jonbays me mods + cold weather= nfi? Will be fun.