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In another sign that Honda has lost the plot here in Australia, meet the new Civic with a base price of $47,200......
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...rice-and-specs Honda can expect sell maybe five of these at that price, especially when a similar sized BMW, Mercedes or Audi exists for not much more. Sure, it will be reliable, but a near $50k mainstream small hatch is ludicrous. RIP Honda.
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Still waiting for all these cheaper cars we are supposed to get since local production has ended and the elimination of tarrifs.
Every single naysayer of the local industry promised it, including many people on here.
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yep, remember the days of the 39990 driveway ss ute. now that the buy-in for a rav 4
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And now look at some local car prices also heading in the same direction for different reasons though.
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Yeap they have been in that weird area where IMO they are better made/engineered than a Mitsu/Toyo/Subu but the powertrains and package just are not the same as the EU's.
Coincidently I have been looking at a new daily and Ive been doing some research into sedans that are not boring and hopefully a manual CL7 Accord Euro R is looking good but $20-30k for a 15 year old Honda is pushing it but anything "R" is going for good coin at the moment.
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Top of the line Mazda3, Hyundai i30, Kia Cerato, Toyota Corolla and Ford Focus until recently all significantly cheaper than this Civic. You’d have to have Rocks in your head to buy this. It‘a creeping into Hot Hatch territory too when it just isn’t…
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Good point, a Focus ST is only a few thousand more. I know which one I would buy...
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Love how they are preparing a new Type R to take on the ST/Flog R etc. Looking at the pricing they'd have already priced themselves out of competing with either. Not to mention it'll probably looking like a dog chewing a wasp like the last one. 2022 Honda will be gone from Australia sadly. They've given us a couple good cars imo. Also get rid of the RS badge, you dont deserve it
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i30NPerformance is a killer of hatch at that money or abouts.....
At least this Civic is looking better than the past..... They have taken the Ford Everest stratergy, sell high good gp I guess. There will always be some buyers.
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You could probably get an ST cheaper than the Civic. |
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Honda have also just released photos of the new corporate uniform, that all sales staff must wear.
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Thats 1.5k away from the Odyssey people mover! The dealers must be spewing, honda should pay them out and shut up shop.
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You can't even negotiate a better deal since they now have the fixed price agency model.
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When I thought about this- I thought well Honda engineering, the Honda Sport touring gets a good wrap with sharp responsive steering, handling and the manual box is a very sweet short throw 6 speed manual.
On a dyno the power was underrated and it put out some 174 hp on hub dyno, and the torque output is again underrated and is over 300nm. I then thought, well its like a modern Honda Euro but more power to weight, some $41,000 10 years after Euro is probably right. Then I realised the car in Australia is a CVT piece of soft crap, not the highly tuned 1.5 turbo, but 131 kw and 240nm for $47,200 drive away. Hell, the USA Honda Civic Sport Touring with the high spec 1.5 turbo and 6 speed box is $29,400 USA or $41,104.00 AU. Come on Honda Australia. I have bought Hondas, A Honda Euro, a Honda Civic 1.6 diesel, a Honda Civic 1.6 petrol for the daughter. If Honda brought out the new Honda Civic 1.5 turbo sport with 6 speed box for $41,000 plus onroads, (with a little pencil sharpening of the final figure) I would look at it. But the soft CVT softc$ck CVT - for $47,200- come on- do not treat your Australian base as chumps- cause we are not...
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And a tyre repair kit- in Australia- really.
You guys have rocks in your head. Hell the Ford Fiesta ST in Europe (a German built car) had a subwoofer in the boot and a tyre repair kit. Ford Australia looked after Australian customers- ditched the subwoofer and put in a spare space saver tyre. I would not buy any car in Australia-period- that did not have a spare tyre. A space saver is the minimum. Honda Australia you really have dropped the ball here.... hell- great -drive 1000 km on a Sunday with a tyre repair kit.... how thoughtful ![]() Try driving from Melbourne to Darwin with a tyre repair kit - Honda Australia - are you ok?
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Hi,
Honda must absolutely have lost it.. A dealer on bikesales advertising just now: 2021 Honda CBR1000RR-R SP ABS Fireblade MY20 $49,999* In comparison, almost identical new 2021 Suzuki GSXR-1000 ABS, $ 21,990* I haven't studied what the extra few letters '-R SP' means.. Unless it's a race ready magnesium / titanium bike with lots of fancy parts, and lower weight , totally unclear why it should cost over twice as much as the new Suzuki. Previously Honda and Suzuki bikes used to cost almost the same, maybe just a little more for a Honda. Cheers, |
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They’re probably hoping for a nice handout to keep trading here. Even the Citroën C6 was priced more sharply in Australia when sold.
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A list of new cars priced from 45-50$k that I'd own before a Civic available right now.
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/?q=...n.))&sort=Year |
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I wish the Civic didn't have the CVT as an automatic plus had the manual as an option.
I saw the new the pricing and couldn't believe it. Two main dealers have closed near me. What a shame. |
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Might pay that for an Acura TLX.
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I cannot believe what has happened to Honda. When I first started getting interested in cars many decades ago Honda was a company which built good products and were more highly valued than many of their Japanese counterparts. These days they have become anonymous on Australian roads.
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The down hill slide started when they canned Integra, S2000 and made the real crappy Civic Type R (the current one is great) |
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This is the Japanese EP3 Civic Type R from the early 00s https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...SE-AD-11920616 This is the 8th generation FN Civic Type R we got in the mid 00s from the UK https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...SE-AD-12017845 This is the Japanese FD2 Civic Type R that we didn't get from the same time: https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...AG-AD-20021320 The 8th generation FN Type R got the boat anchor povvo spec K20, it makes less power than the preceding EP3 car, weighs circa 200kg more and doesn't have an LSD, it shouldn't have the 'Type R' badge on it at all and that's what we got here in Australia. The FD2 - mechanical LSD, proper K20A engine with 11.5:1 compression ratio, peak power at 8400 RPM, 5.03 ratio final drive, proper Honda hot hatch. This is what happened to Honda, self inflicted irrelevance, the last good car they offered in our market was the Accord Euro in manual form, then they discontinued it. I need to stop talking about this because it raises my blood pressure, heartbreaking for any JDM fanboy ![]() Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 03-12-2021 at 01:37 PM. |
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Pity. The Accord Euro manual I drove back in mid 2000s was a beaut drive and beautifully finished.
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Service required every 12 months or 10,000km.
Which means less than 12 months for most people. ![]()
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I picked up a 2011 jazz today from the same dealer I bought my accord from back in 09, what an epic car, from a time when Honda had a range of cars available.
I quizzed the guy about how the new dealer model is going, he shrugged his shoulders and said their future is suvs and electric cars, not sure if he was pulling out the party line or genuine. The new HRV (Vezel) is incoming, as long as they don’t price it a $70k, they have half a chance of picking up some volume over the dated current model.
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