2.7l V6 Td

want-a-XY · 24-11-2008, 03:42 PM

ok i decided it was time for a bit of a rant. why oh why can't Ford Australia put the 2.7L V6 TD in the Falcon and Territory (the jaguar 2.7L V6)? the number of people i've talked to that have said "i would buy a Territory IF they came in a diesel but they don't so i bought a prado"!!!!!!!!!!
recently Jeremy Clarkson drove a Jaguar XJ6D, with the 2.7L and it returned 53MPG, which equates to 5.33L/100km!!!!!!!!! surely if that engine fits in the Jaguar engine bay it will fit in the Falcon and Territory. and this same engine fitted in the Jaguar S-type went around the Nurburgring in Germany in under 10 minutes.

to me it seems to be a very suitable engine for Ford Australia?

anyone else agree?

vztrt · 24-11-2008, 03:44 PM

The terri would have had a diesel option if good old Tom didn't cut it from the program. Last I heard it was due in 2010 unless its been canned.

As for the Falcon I think LI would be their first priority. Just hope they match it with the 5sp auto.

Dave_au · 24-11-2008, 04:10 PM

There now may be an issue in gaining access to this 2.7L engine as Jaguar is no longer part of Ford.

ivorya · 24-11-2008, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave_au

There now may be an issue in gaining access to this 2.7L engine as Jaguar is no longer part of Ford.

I believe that FORD had written conditions in the sale that they are still allowed to use all the engines. I suppose they are the part owners in the engine technology so i guess they were protecting themselves.

vztrt · 24-11-2008, 04:15 PM

Isn't there a similar issue happening with the ZF?

sgt_doofey · 24-11-2008, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by want-a-XY

recently Jeremy Clarkson drove a Jaguar XJ6D, with the 2.7L and it returned 53MPG, which equates to 5.33L/100km!!!!!!!!!

I'd like to know how he managed to obtain 5.3L/100kms. Our 307 which has a smaller 2.0L HDi engine can only return about 5.8L/100kms as my best figures. What's his secret?

Oh, and a TD Terry. Yes please. I'd want one for the towing capacity!

BlackLS · 24-11-2008, 04:24 PM

Download last night's Top Gear UK. After the race they found it could have gone another 150 miles.

sgt_doofey · 24-11-2008, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackLS

Download last night's Top Gear UK. After the race they found it could have gone another 150 miles.

That was tonight's job when I get home...

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Originally Posted by vztrt

This is what Volvo has at the moment, but the only diesel I could see is the I5 motor.

Based on those specs, the Volvo is approx 1500kgs and the I5 returns 8.3L/100km combined. Doesn't the petrol I6 in the Falcon now return similar figures for a car that is no doubt a bit heavier?

vztrt · 24-11-2008, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sgt_doofey

Based on those specs, the Volvo is approx 1500kgs and the I5 returns 8.3L/100km combined. Doesn't the petrol I6 in the Falcon now return similar figures for a car that is no doubt a bit heavier?

10.2L ADR with the 6sp auto and 10.5L with the 5sp auto.
As the terri is 2200kg I think it'll be drinking more then that.

ivorya · 24-11-2008, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackLS

Download last night's Top Gear UK. After the race they found it could have gone another 150 miles.

Yep, he said the jag would've completed over 1000km on the tank and when you watch the show, Clarkson was giving it a belting, full throttle applications, all the gizmos on (air cond, seat warmers, gps etc etc).

I wonder how it would compared if Captain Slow had been driving it.

want-a-XY · 24-11-2008, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ivorya

Yep, he said the jag would've completed over 1000km on the tank and when you watch the show, Clarkson was giving it a belting, full throttle applications, all the gizmos on (air cond, seat warmers, gps etc etc).

I wonder how it would compared if Captain Slow had been driving it.

no he said it had a rnage of over 1000 MILES

fou_bleu · 24-11-2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by want-a-XY

no he said it had a range of over 1000 MILES

That makes it more than 1000km's ;)

want-a-XY · 25-11-2008, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by fordman6

That makes it more than 1000km's ;)

quite a lot more than 1000km, over 1600km a tank from a luxury 4 door 'saloon' as they say over there.

SM1DY · 24-11-2008, 04:29 PM

Effective plan on the surface, but don't you think Ford could use one of there own engines? Perhaps even something from Volvo?

vztrt · 24-11-2008, 04:37 PM

This is what Volvo has at the moment, but the only diesel I could see is the I5 motor.

http://www.volvocars.com/au/models/x.../techSpec.aspx

(Had a look on the sites around the world with the same result)

SM1DY · 24-11-2008, 04:43 PM

Well, if it's good enough for the XC90, it's good enough for the Terri. Not so sure about the Falcon though, they're traditionally 6 cylinders, but I guess times are a changing.

SM1DY · 24-11-2008, 04:58 PM

Ford is a huge corporation, spanning mutiple continents. Is there really no desiel engine that would suit the falcon and the terri?

madmelon · 24-11-2008, 05:24 PM

Ford still owns a small stake in Jaguar, Land Rover and Aston Martin.

The 2.7TTDI is actually a Peugeot/Citroen joint venture and Jag/Land Rover saw how good it was and went for it.

**janddbone** · 24-11-2008, 09:09 PM

Ford own NO shares in Jaguar/Land Rover....

madmelon · 24-11-2008, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mr_br_johnstone

Ford own NO shares in Jaguar/Land Rover....

My apologies- it appears they didn't retain a stake in J/LR as they did with Aston Martin.

Carby · 25-11-2008, 11:35 AM

Went on a trip in a mates Land Rover Disco 3 with the 2.7 TTDI and all I can say is that it changed my mind about diesels completely. It was quiet, economical, smooth powerful esp. for overtaking and overall a brilliant motor.

If they put that in the Falcon or Territory it would have to be a major seller.

ThePistonHead · 25-11-2008, 06:35 PM

Far out... If the Jag managed 5.3l/100 what on earth did the Golf or Liberty achieve?? The golf got something like 80MPG.

You have to remember though that the Jag had a rather big fuel tank when compared to the Golf.

Bossxr8 · 28-11-2008, 08:20 PM

High diesel prices have killed any fuel economy benefits a TD Territory may deliver.

Petrol $1.05
Diesel $1.45

Fuel economy Territory 12.2 L per 100km ADR figure
Fuel economy Territory TD high 8? L per 100km at a guess.

Based on that a TD Territory may cost roughly the same as a petrol powered Territory to run in fuel costs, but the purchase price of a TD V6 Territory has been rumoured to cost up to $5000 more due to the high cost of the engine, even more so now the dollar is weak. Therefor a diesel Territory absolutely makes no economic sense unless you want the extra torque it delivers or the longer range per tank. I wouldn't be suprised if its been canned, as it can no longer piggyback the repackaged Duratec V6 engine bay that would have made it much easier to fit.

I think the diesel boat has now sailed, with clown shoes Tom Gorman delaying it it has basically made it unfeasible. If it was ready to go early 2008 like it was supposed to be before he stopped it, it would have had time to gain traction in the market when petrol prices soared and diesel was an attractive propostion to save money in fuel costs. Unless diesel price drops occur that mirror the drops that petrol has recieved lately I don't think a TD V6 Territory may become available.

A liquid LPG Territory is a much smarter choice, and it should become available.

vztrt · 28-11-2008, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

A liquid LPG Territory is a much smarter choice, and it should become available.

Pretty much. If they could get the tank to fit in there by the time of the 2010 launch. It should go very well with the crowd.

sgt_doofey · 28-11-2008, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

High diesel prices have killed any fuel economy benefits a TD Territory may deliver.

Petrol $1.05
Diesel $1.45.

Trust me, it's still cheaper to run a diesel car. LPG by far is the cheapest though.

Bossxr8 · 28-11-2008, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sgt_doofey

Trust me, it's still cheaper to run a diesel car. LPG by far is the cheapest though.

It might work out maybe $5 cheaper per week, so many weeks do you think it will take to make back the higher purchase price, cause the Jag V6 ain't cheap. Ford have talked about it before and the diesel could be upto $5k more expensive. It may take 20 years to make the higher costs back in miniscule fuel savings.

GoAuto worked it out to be something like 17 years to make the money back about 2 months ago based on their assumed figures for a V6TD Territory Vs petrol.

dom_105 · 29-11-2008, 01:50 AM

This calculation though is based on petrol being a costant $1-ish per litre into the medium term future. I wouldn't think this will be the case.

YOOT · 29-11-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sgt_doofey

Trust me, it's still cheaper to run a diesel car. LPG by far is the cheapest though.

Yes it is, but it all depends on whether you pay extra for the diesel engine and how many Kms you do a year.

The less you drive and the more you pay for the engine the less likely it is to actually save you money.

For example a Toyota Prado Petrol vs Diesel equates to the diesel model costing $10 a week less to repay, run, service, if you drive 15,000km a year. At current prices and assuming RRP for the cars and using the ADR combined cycles.

A Nissan Pathfinder petrol vs Diesel is something like $30 week cheaper to have the diesel because the diesel model cost less than the petrol one (auto standard).

On the other hand a Landcruiser 200 series is cheaper to run the petrol V8 for the first 5 years because of the $10,000 premium to buy the diesel. Based on 15,000km.

Then there are the cheaper servcing costs associated with diesel...

Gobes32 · 28-11-2008, 08:28 PM

The major pain in the backside is to make the Tezza run on gas the spare wheel has to go, so either a space saver or it will be placed on the liftgate. (yuk)

phillyc · 28-11-2008, 08:48 PM

The Jaguar XF 2.7TD has an economy of 7.5L/100km and is pretty much the same size/weight as Falcon. That'd be nice!