Puma Axed except for EV

[kevino]

Well there s a few of us now calling em Ford Ute Aus

[kevino]

I looked up Ford South africa site

I see the Chinese Ford Territory is going to be sold there not sure made there or China.

So it got me wondering?

Chinese or South Africa Territory for Aus?

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by kevino

I looked up Ford South africa site

I see the Chinese Ford Territory is going to be sold there not sure made there or China.

So it got me wondering?

Chinese or South Africa Territory for Aus?

Neither. It's pretty clear Ford are gearing towards Ranger/Everest only.

Mustang will be next to go, they will fulfill their current orders and then let it die. Mach E will disappear quietly due to lack of interest, F-150 has been cursed from the get-go and will be dropped due to quality control issues and a lack of trust by potential customers. All three are just too much hassle to source from the US. Then they will ride Transit out, drop it, then blame lack sales when in fact it was a lack of availability.

The Ranger and Everest will then be the sole contenders, quick, easy and highly profitable sales that require no marketing skill or effort. Typical approach from a lazy American company.

Prove me wrong.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Neither. It's pretty clear Ford are gearing towards Ranger/Everest only.

Mustang will be next to go, they will fulfill their current orders and then let it die. Mach E will disappear quietly due to lack of interest, F-150 has been cursed from the get-go and will be dropped due to quality control issues and a lack of trust by potential customers. All three are just too much hassle to source from the US. Then they will ride Transit out, drop it, then blame lack sales when in fact it was a lack of availability.

The Ranger and Everest will then be the sole contenders, quick, easy and highly profitable sales that require no marketing skill or effort. Typical approach from a lazy American company.

Prove me wrong.

If they are smart, like they were with the timing of Territory and Ranger, they will be working on a Tuk Tuk to introduce to Australia to match our GDP per capita figures and appeal to an increasing number of Australians.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

If they are smart, like they were with the timing of Territory and Ranger, they will be working on a Tuk Tuk to introduce to Australia to match our GDP per capita figures and appeal to an increasing number of Australians.

Suzuki has Ford beat already:

https://www.suzukimotorcycles.com.au...d/address-110/

[Sprintey]

You gotta admit they would help solve congestion in our cities.

Aussie Performance, 2035: Just like with Tickford in the 90's, British engineers are already working on these performance cars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_v4aKTBcVc

[In Focus]

Yesterday, I was waiting at the lights across the road from McInerney Ford.

In the front row: 12 (white) Rangers, along with a single Escape (also white) and a single Transit (orange with black stripes).

Sure, there was probably other stuff hiding behind the above, but that was what they giving prime position on the lot.

[kevino]

Originally Posted by In Focus

Yesterday, I was waiting at the lights across the road from McInerney Ford.

In the front row: 12 (white) Rangers, along with a single Escape (also white) and a single Transit (orange with black stripes).

Sure, there was probably other stuff hiding behind the above, but that was what they giving prime position on the lot.

I can’t resist this
Were you excited by the offering at this Ford dealer?

Secondly how’s the Puma going?

[In Focus]

Originally Posted by kevino

I can’t resist this
Were you excited by the offering at this Ford dealer?

Secondly how’s the Puma going?

I was not excited.

Puma's great - Mrs is happy with it.

[simon varley]

hopefully. I was disappointed that Eu6 wasn't in the discussion for the new fuel standards, as this would have opened the door for a lot of great cars. In conjunction with scrapping ADRs in favor of ECE etc, this IMO is all that needs to be done

Improving our fuels to Eu6 quality though I guess won't be cheap and the petrol companies might not see any value if we are allegedly phasing out ICE :(

[Sprintey]

Wouldn't changing the fuel to EU6 be as easy as placing an order for it at Singapore? We've only got two domestic refineries left, surely quite a bit of the fuel is imported from very large offshore refineries that would be able to produce it easily?

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

Wouldn't changing the fuel to EU6 be as easy as placing an order for it at Singapore? We've only got two domestic refineries left, surely quite a bit of the fuel is imported from very large offshore refineries that would be able to produce it easily?

True but Probably costs more in subsidies for the govt so they aren't keen on doing it. Fuel is heavily subsidised in this country.

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

Wouldn't changing the fuel to EU6 be as easy as placing an order for it at Singapore? We've only got two domestic refineries left, surely quite a bit of the fuel is imported from very large offshore refineries that would be able to produce it easily?

who does Singapore supply? Few Asian countries are at Eu6 yet, so unless Europe itself actually sources from their, they may not actually have that fuel on tap

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by simon varley

who does Singapore supply? Few Asian countries are at Eu6 yet, so unless Europe itself actually sources from their, they may not actually have that fuel on tap

Does Euro 6 fuel standard also require RON 95 as a minimum?
I don’t remember ever seeing ULP 91 unleaded being sold in Europe….


Also, China and India have introduced standards that are in line with Euro 6
Those are major consumers so there should be plenty of fuel supply when Australia switches

[kypez]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Does Euro 6 fuel standard also require RON 95 as a minimum?

I don’t remember ever seeing ULP 91 unleaded being sold in Europe….

Edit: it's more about the sulphur content in the fuel. There are limits for 91/95/98 and we're woefully lagging there.

[kevino]

I have people ask me what car is that?
( it’s a 22.25 Puma)
I reply it’s the last petrol Euro Ford.
It’s a secret - don’t tell anyone.
Ford were so scared about people finding out about Puma that they withdrew it from the Aus market.
Or ?????

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by kevino

I have people ask me what car is that?
( it’s a 22.25 Puma)
I reply it’s the last petrol Euro Ford.
It’s a secret - don’t tell anyone.
Ford were so scared about people finding out about Puma that they withdrew it from the Aus market.
Or ?????

We have a 23.25 Escape

[kevino]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

We have a 23.25 Escape

I have had the Escape twice as a loan car from my Ford dealer
Another great car!

And super value on the second hand market.

Fords decision to remove Puma and Escape from the Au market is just baffling

I saw a Focus Active SA the other day another great car that be sold here

[minheim]

Originally Posted by kevino

I have had the Escape twice as a loan car from my Ford dealer

Fords decision to remove Puma and Escape from the Au market is just baffling

I saw a Focus Active SA the other day another great car that be sold here

A sad decision but not really baffling. The problem is Ford Europe which fails to supply any quantity and thus scuttles any opportunity to promote and hence kills sales.

My 2018 escape is a great car but Ford Australia has nothing in its range to replace it with. Ford Europe needs an overhaul.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by minheim

A sad decision but not really baffling. The problem is Ford Europe which fails to supply any quantity and thus scuttles any opportunity to promote and hence kills sales.

My 2018 escape is a great car but Ford Australia has nothing in its range to replace it with. Ford Europe needs an overhaul.

Overhaul or kick in the ***?

I reckon Ford Europe is going the right way for a smacked bottom.

[In Focus]

Amazing that Ford Oz can't (be bothered to) sell these, but Ford NZ can make a case for both the Puma mild-hybrid AND ST models.

https://www.ford.co.nz/suv/puma/comp...hp-return-comp

[CyberWasp]

I think I understand the Ford situation.

Ford USA can't make anything for Export out of USA or RHD.
Ford Europe can't make anything for Export out of Europe.
Ford China can't make anything for Export out of China.
Ford Australia wanted to Export to USA and other places but not allowed so was closed.
Ford Thailand could make some of the things that Ford USA won't make for Export but not allowed.
Very weird company when you look at it.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

I think I understand the Ford situation.

Ford USA can't make anything for Export out of USA or RHD.
Ford Europe can't make anything for Export out of Europe.
Ford China can't make anything for Export out of China.
Ford Australia wanted to Export to USA and other places but not allowed so was closed.
Ford Thailand could make some of the things that Ford USA won't make for Export but not allowed.
Very weird company when you look at it.

It’s very surreal, for a manufacturer that could do many things and grow its sales,
Ford continues to shrink sales to the few that make loads of profit and kill everything else…

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by jpd80

It’s very surreal, for a manufacturer that could do many things and grow its sales,
Ford continues to shrink sales to the few that make loads of profit and kill everything else…

If it were not for the Ranger, I believe Ford would have gone down the same path as General Motors, will be interesting in the next few years as to what approach they take.
My local ford dealership now sells Cherry, what a joke.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by Itsme

If it were not for the Ranger, I believe Ford would have gone down the same path as General Motors, will be interesting in the next few years as to what approach they take.
My local ford dealership now sells Cherry, what a joke.

surely you have noticed over the recent years more and more are multi dealer franchise's - its no joke its the market and economy.
Lets not forget both the main OE's here lived off their dominate seller no diff to the dual cab now, other offerings generally were just making up some small numbers.
For all the Ford failures and there is many as with most OE's they are still standing be it majority dual cabs/SUV offshoot sales GM/Holden is nothing/finito/kaput the sham of a company its been for decades.
Here's another for you - do you recall which US OE's put their hands outs to the White House arriving in private jets whilst the joke didn't ?
Just saying

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by jpd80

It’s very surreal, for a manufacturer that could do many things and grow its sales,
Ford continues to shrink sales to the few that make loads of profit and kill everything else…

Putting all their eggs in two baskets for Australia, Ranger and Everest.

I think they just want to put in minimal effort into our market, they know we currently buy Thailand Specials en masse, they have the market leader in that segment so they don't need to deal with inventory and compliance costs involved in selling a greater range of vehicles in Australia.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

I think I understand the Ford situation.

Ford USA can't make anything for Export out of USA or RHD.
Ford Europe can't make anything for Export out of Europe.
Ford China can't make anything for Export out of China.
Ford Australia wanted to Export to USA and other places but not allowed so was closed.
Ford Thailand could make some of the things that Ford USA won't make for Export but not allowed.
Very weird company when you look at it.

It's like a kingdom of warring fiefdoms.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

I think I understand the Ford situation.

Ford USA can't make anything for Export out of USA or RHD.
Ford Europe can't make anything for Export out of Europe.
Ford China can't make anything for Export out of China.
Ford Australia wanted to Export to USA and other places but not allowed so was closed.
Ford Thailand could make some of the things that Ford USA won't make for Export but not allowed.
Very weird company when you look at it.

I've observed the above kind of scenarios for decades not just recent times, they are so nth america entrenched and typical of the many US companies I deal with.
Even in the Aftermarket they are hopeless at Export, some brands could have so much market share with some minor dedicated support but they can't get their heads around it but for some exceptions where we and other companies I know kick goals.
They have spread their wings alot more of recent times ie OE's/Aftermarket is below them due to easier geography, Latin America/ more so Mexico.
Many many US companies have set up offices/distribution and many new Factories invested/built.
The rest of the globe no matter.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by FTE217

I've observed the above kind of scenarios for decades not just recent times, they are so nth america entrenched and typical of the many US companies I deal with.
Even in the Aftermarket they are hopeless at Export, some brands could have so much market share with some minor dedicated support but they can't get their heads around it but for some exceptions where we and other companies I know kick goals.
They have spread their wings alot more of recent times ie OE's/Aftermarket is below them due to easier geography, Latin America/ more so Mexico.
Many many US companies have set up offices/distribution and many new Factories invested/built.
The rest of the globe no matter.

I hate American corporate culture, for their capitalism fetish they're horrible capitalists because they can't be ****ed selling to people outside their east or west coasts.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I hate American corporate culture, for their capitalism fetish they're horrible capitalists because they can't be ****ed selling to people outside their east or west coasts.

With over 300 million people living in the lower 48 states they don't need to.