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What equalled by displacement capacity of over one litre??? Nah. Its new world mate and its the other way round. People will be asking why the HSV is so slow and uses so much fuel compared to the 5.0. There is a real risk that the HSV engines will be seen as very much yesterday. It’s an equally valid stand point to the one you suggest. It’s a BS argument. It won’t matter how you get there, it’s the end result that matters and in that the FPV V8 won’t be lacking. And for clarification my comments were speaking of consumer expectation. There is no justification in expecting anything other than a GT that fights on an equal footing to that offered by its major competitor. Head down that path and expectations will be exceeded. The how it gets there is irrilevent.
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To bring another aspect into this 'modified v new', Whats the sale ratio XR8 v GT, same could be said there in regards to gaining higher performance via the cheaper buying alternative?
I think the ratio would be low, for most people a new car purchase is either 'an expensive upgrade' for them, or a 'turn over in 2/3/4 years time' thing. Either way, people who are looking at modifying most likely aren't buying new units, this demographic will be looking more into b series FPV's rather than F series off the showroom floor. The key to selling an updated model of anything is to make people WANT your product, an upgraded interior with more technology and certain other things will insure people WANT a new product over modifying an older model. |
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couldn't agree more HSE FPV GT owners, future, past and present; do expect a product that delivers not just competitive performance with HSV, but 'in brand' halo product appeal as well. And in B series this was lost some, not such a bad thing I suppose given the status held by F6T. The new GT will restore order, and many that swung one way with B series ----> will swing the other. 600plus NM of torque will be sufficient to propell the Fg along, the power won't be so critical, and my guess, per F6T now, SC output will be 'understated' significantly upon release. Either that, or, all of a sudden they will have fitted a drivetrain with a parasitic loss of only 20 kws......... ![]()
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For the record. I lease mine and I'd lease the next one.
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I have to agree with you here, many manufacturers are spending a lot of time and money advertising that they are achieving better efficiency and therefore fuel economy out of using smaller capacity with forced induction rather than big cubes. The public is getting used to this and I think perception is changing. The buyer will do the comparison, when faced with a 7L V8 with 330kw and a fuel consumption of 14.5/100km or a 5L S/C V8 with 330kw and a fuel consumption of 13.5L/100km (figures for illustration only and totally speculative), guess which they will see as the better power plant? Personally I think FPV are on a better wicket here and have a better prospect rather than trying to keep the donosaur alive like the other team is doing.
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Agreed and it will only get better as the engine is developed both here and state side. HSV never mounted an attack on the F6 trying to make it needed a turbo to better the 6.2 litre HSV and it’s only the more obscure owner that tries to bring up the subject. Times have moved on and this time round the smart money would be on public sentiment seeing more with less as the approved route. I know I always like to think I have achieved more with less ;)
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Welcome to the Forums Kraziman........
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Anyway...........I'm getting off topic..............and in all reality, I really hope it turns out to be a fantastic product and sells well for FPV. My point is that there are still fantastic options for us that will not trade up..........enough to keep us happy without wondering .........what if......... Cheers Last edited by Whitey-AMG; 20-06-2009 at 08:04 PM. |
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ESP. Just a bit of banter. Lucky we're all different or the forums would be a quiet place.
All the best mate. Hope your S/C GT rocks. ![]()
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There will be big demand for the FG with s/c 5.0L v8 from both FPV and HSV people. Most will think immediately, that this will be easy to get extra power out of once it's out of warranty. Some won't wait that long!
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I don't understand all the bagging of the Boss motor???? In SC form at least.......The 2005 ford GT(GT40) is still a weapon.... Look at the power of the gt500 stangs in the states?????? I'm not saying they're perfect but they're in some really awesome cars.......
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No one is "bagging" S/C Boss motors, the problem is they will not comply with the new emission regs so therefore they have no future. We are not here to bag out BOSS or 6T motors, we are here to talk about the new S/C V8.
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Imagine the carbon footprint of a Supercharged V8.
DISGUSTING The next V8 should have a Prius engine. Na just kiddin. I want one. Anyone know if 351KW is a possibility while maintaining factory standards? PS IMO carbon footprint propaganda is complete rubbish propogated by left wing looney earth worshipping tree hugging profit hating servants of satan. Anyone noticed that big orange thing in the eastern morning sky? The earth has been warming since the end of the ice age when Fred Flintstone took his car to the bowling alley. And the sun came up. Well thats what I reckon anyway. Now back to the Blown V8. Bring it on. I'll never buy another I6T Last edited by Walt Kowalski; 20-06-2009 at 09:11 PM. |
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With the compliance to the new regs will require it to be less than the current BOSS motor, so not a problem.
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We well know, from the various miscues and missed opportunities of the past, that Tickford / FTE / FPV / (insert future name here), have built their business on doing just enough to keep us interested without actually doing anything that was truly exciting, innovative or desirable.
A little research will fairly quickly indicate the reasoning behind the sudden consideration of a forced induction option for the next generation V8 and (as usual) it has little to do with offerering anything of real substance to the enthusiast consumer but rather more to do with addressing the inadequacies of that engine in stock N/A form. That isn't to suggest it won't have potential (it will) but in the form it appears ex factory I would be tipping an ultra conservative approach and a minor increase over the power figures currently available. I'm not suggesting that to be a bad thing but simply something we should bear in mind before we become too excited at what will be delivered - particularly when the price / performance / reliability targets that FPV will need to achieve are considered. It will still be good times ahead with the choices available to the pending FPV owner but whether these ever translate into HSV beaters (although in some minds they are now) will remain to be seen. What we should see is the curent status quo being maintained where the current offerings are both reasonable choices aimed at their specific demographic markets. Cheers Russ
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The 250KW T3 was exciting, the EL GT was innovative (some say ugglee), and the BA GT "when it landed" was very desirable. If you could lay critisism at FPV I would say its the "sticker kit" upgrades that have been somewhat disappointing. |
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As enthusiasts we will never get what we actually want in the current market environment as there are as many permutations as there are individuals and perhaps it is unrealistic to expect that any one vehicle can meet all three of those expectations for any one person let alone for volumes of people. It is probably as much about meeting as many compromise positions as possible in order to ensure tha there are adequate sales volumes and leave the rest of the individualisation to the after market. Anyway back to the actual topic at hand..... Cheers Russ
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Surely FPV will not be able to resist the temptation to bring back both the Boss 351 and 351 GT badges back into circulation.
Would anyone believe them if the XR8 was 300 kw and the supercharged version was only 325 kw. No one would fall for that. Also HSV's LS3 makes 325 kw in the Vette, its slightly detuned for HSV, and it will most likely jump up to 325 for the VF. FPV will want to beat that, and why would they not want to beat that easily? It is likely the quoted figures will be under what the real figures are, but pegging those numbers to say 325 is just not believable when the XR8 version is supposed to make 300. Its more likely it will make 370+ but will be underquoted. Just look at the rwkw figures are for the F6, it makes well more than 315. I'd say for the next model the figures will probably increase without them actually doing much to it just because it makes more than todays 315 quoted figures. They should make it more than what HSV will have for the VF just so they can say every car they sell makes more power than HSV's do. If its power and speed that sells give the customers what they want, don't chicken out on the chance to put the boot firmly down onto HSV's throat. HSV have already gone to 370+ kw with the WD40, so the precedent has been set to achieve those power levels, not to mention what AMG, M and Audi's RS models have achieved. |
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Got some interesting vehicles for next weekend...Euro S/C V8's.. I guess I could call it 'benchmarking'.... ;)
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We're all excited about this new v8 and to be benchmarking against europes best, 'I've just jizzed in my pants'. I'll be waiting to hear how the new coyote performs.. Will there be any panel changes in the update or will it just be engine due to the new regs? |
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![]() It's not actually a head to head benchmarking exercise at this point. It's more of a fun outing (AMG 55, and RS4), but I will try and take note of 'seat of the pants' experience, for when I do take on the new baby at some point (hopefully). |
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Havn't opened it to read yet but it seems WHEELS mag has picked up on the "SCOOP" front cover blue FG GT, front view GT_HO badge on grill. Have to admit with just those 2 extra letters on grill makes we want one even more.
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