car won't start

[FS5]

i went out this arvo to go up the shops and the car won't start.i went up town early on in the morning and it was running fine.
i went to start it as i normaly do,and it just kept cranking over.its not even firing at at all.
the fuel pump comes on when i turn the key to start.i have checked all the leads and sensors and they are all connected.
its got me stumped ,they car ran fine now it won't start.could it be a fuse or something ?
any help appreciated thanks

[schuldiner]

likely culprits are usually battery/starter motor or alternator. i know with my xf when i replaced the alternator i had trouble starting it and i stressed over it for ages, it would turn over but not fire. i switched it from gas to petrol put some carby cleaner down its throat and it started fine, not sure why it did that but it never happened after that maybe try start it on petrol(if you have dual fuel).

[robbo_yobbo]

if its turning over its not your battery/starter motor, or alternator.

even though the fuel pumps runing you could possibly have a fuel blockage, or the pump motor may be spinning but not pumping ifits broken, also check to see if you have a spark - it could be immobilised, or it could be something simple like a loose wiring connection somewhere (maybe to the coil pack), or even a dicky/loose fuse or relay in the power box under the hood

[schuldiner]

Originally Posted by robbo_yobbo

if its turning over its not your battery/starter motor, or alternator.

ha ha true, my bad, forgot about it still cranking over.

[Stav]

Remove a lead and place it close to earth.See if a spark is jumping .Dont hold it though.Apart from that maybe fuel is not gettting into the rail?

[robbo_yobbo]

Originally Posted by Stav

See if a spark is jumping .Dont hold it though.

haha, been there, done that, I can safeley say never again!

[FGII-XR6]

you say the fuel pump is coming on but it can make all the noises it's meant to ans still be cactus best bet is find someone with an OBD code reader that will tell you whats wrong

[FS5]

Originally Posted by Stav

Remove a lead and place it close to earth.See if a spark is jumping .Dont hold it though.Apart from that maybe fuel is not gettting into the rail?

yeah ,that was next on my list.i'l have another fiddle in the mornin .i've had one hectic sunday arvo without a car(nik had us booked in for a family portrait).

when i turn the key to start the fuel pump whizzes for a bit until it builds up pressure ,so i assume its still working .

are there any sensors that would stop the motor from firing if they weren't working?

i don't think its the smartlock or whatever its called ,because the engine still cranks over.

[robbo_yobbo]

there could be something thats come unplugged (coilpack or relays) , find out if youve got spark or not first, and that will help narrow it down.
also this may sound like a pretty dumb question, but is it out of fuel?

[FS5]

Originally Posted by robbo_yobbo

also this may sound like a pretty dumb question, but is it out of fuel?

Its got no spark, all the fuses are ok, relays are in tight, all leads and plugs are hooked up properly.

could it be the coil pack? the car has been running fine.

i was reading in the old haynes manual under trouble shooting and it suggested that there could be something wrong with the ignition switch??? when i turn the key to start all the norm dash lights come on.

[Morgz88]

I've had the exactly the same problem before.

Turned out to be the 60A fuse in the engine bay.

Funniest thing was, the fuse LOOKED fine by visual inspection, lucky I checked it with the multimeter and realised it was blown.

Maybe worth a look for you just in case.

[robbo_yobbo]

check the power distro box and check the fuses are ok, grab out your multimeter, and see if there is power getting to the "START" relay when you turn the key, this will tell you which side the problems on. if theres no power getting to it and the fuses are ok, it might be a dash side wiring issue, (disconnected, or melted through) or maybe even the same problem in the power distro box

otherwise check to see that the wiring harness plug to the coilpack hasnt come out, and that power is getting to the coilpack.
Theres also the possibility the coilpack is cactus, but that would more likeley wear out over time.

[FS5]

thanks for your help guys,i bit the bullet and got a mobile mech to come out.$230 later and the problem is fixed.it was the crank angle sensor.these guys sure know how to charge $120 to come out and 110 to plug the scan tool in .but at least its fixed now.

a couple of other codes came up on the scan tool P3381 and P0000.i tried looking them up in the haines manual but it dosen't have them listed.if someone knows what they are or where i can find out what they are i'd apreciate.

[FGII-XR6]

for $230 i'd be ringing them and asking what the codes mean thats a fair slug

[Mechan1k]

I know my mechanic has a listing of these codes with high Snap-on scantool for the AU.

Although by the time i get the codes for you ... someone else will post it up.

[waggaclint]

Originally Posted by FS5

a couple of other codes came up on the scan tool P3381 and P0000.

i think youl find those codes dont even exist hey dont no were ya mechanic got them from..
listed hear is all the codes
FORD FALCON AU 4.0L (H, S, X and Y Engines) 1998-02 Engine Management System
FORD FAIRLANE AU 4.0L (H, S, X and Y Engines) 1998-03 Engine Management System

FORD LTD AU 4.0L (H, S, X and Y Engines) 1998-03 Engine Management System
(Includes Factory LPG Systems)



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Fault Codes

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Fault Code Erasure

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Fault Code Table



Code # Circuit and Status

P0106 Manifold Absolute Pressure Sensor (T-Map)

Out of Range

P0107 Manifold Absolute Pressure Sensor (T-Map)
Low Voltage

P0108 Manifold Absolute Pressure Sensor (T-Map)
High Voltage

P0111 Intake Air Temp. Sensor
Out of Range

P0112 Intake Air Temp. Sensor
Low Voltage

P0113 Intake Air Temp. Sensor
High Voltage

P0116 Cylinder Head Temp. Sensor
Out of Range

P0117 Cylinder Head Temp. Sensor
Low Voltage

P0118 Cylinder Head Temp. Sensor

High Voltage

P0121 Throttle Position Sensor
Out of Range

P0122 Throttle Position Sensor
Low Voltage

P0123 Throttle Position Sensor
High Voltage

P0131 Exhaust Gas Oxygen Sensor
Low Voltage

P0171 Fuel System too Lean
Air Fuel Ratio too Lean

P0172 Fuel System too Rich
Air Fuel Ratio too Rich

P0201 Injector #1
Circuit Malfunction

P0202 Injector #2
Circuit Malfunction


P0203 Injector #3
Circuit Malfunction

P0204 Injector #4
Circuit Malfunction

P0205 Injector #5
Circuit Malfunction

P0206 Injector #6
Circuit Malfunction

P0230 Fuel Pump Relay
Malfunction

P0263 Cylinder #1 Balance Test
Failed

P0266 Cylinder #2 Balance Test
Failed

P0269 Cylinder #3 Balance Test
Failed

P0272 Cylinder #4 Balance Test
Failed

P0275 Cylinder #5 Balance Test

Failed

P0278 Cylinder #6 Balance Test
Failed

P0320 Engine Speed Circuit
Malfunction

P0325 Knock Sensor
Out of Range

P0327 Knock Sensor
Low Voltage

P0340 Camshaft Position Sensor
Malfunction

P0350 Ignition Coil
Failure

P0351 Ignition Coil #1
Failure

P0352 Ignition Coil #2
Failure

P0353 Ignition Coil #3
Failure

P0443 Canister Purge Solenoid

Malfunction

P0480 Electro Drive Fan #1
Malfunction

P0481 Electro Drive Fan #2
Malfunction

P0500 Vehicle Speed Sensor
Malfunction

P0506 Idle Air Control System
Idle Speed Low

P0507 Idle Air Control System
Idle Speed High

P0531 A/C Pressure Transducer Sensor
Out of Range

P0532 A/C Pressure Transducer Sensor
Low Voltage

P0533 A/C Pressure Transducer Sensor
High Voltage


P0534 A/C Refrigerant Charge
Low

P0562 Battery Voltage
<9.0 Volts

P0603 Keep Alive Memory
Test Failed

P0605 PCM Read Only Memory
Failed

P0606 PCM Control Processor (CPU)
Failed

P0706 Transmission Range Sensor
Out of Range

P0707 Transmission Range Sensor
Low Voltage

P0708 Transmission Range Sensor
High Voltage

P0710 Transmission Fluid Temp. Sensor

Out of Range

P0712 Transmission Fluid Temp. Sensor
Low Voltage

P0713 Transmission Fluid Temp. Sensor
High Voltage

P0743 Lock Up Solenoid #7
Failed

P0748 Variable Pressure Solenoid #5
Failed

P0753 Shift Solenoid #1
Failed

P0758 Shift Solenoid #2
Failed

P0763 Shift Solenoid #3
Failed

P0768 Shift Solenoid #4
Failed

P0778 Power Control Solenoid #6

Failed

P1125 Throttle Position Sensor
Circuit Noisy

P1156 Fuel Select Switch was NOT Manually Switched during LPG Test.

P1159 LPG Stepper Motor
Failure

P1167 Operator did NOT actuate Throttle in Self Test. (Goose Throttle)

P1182 Gas Cut Out Solenoid Relay
Malfunction

P1221 Traction Control
Malfunction




If DTC P1221 is displayed, First check if the Vehicle has Traction Control Fitted.

This DTC can show on any Vehicle with or without Traction Control.

P1259 Engine Enable Input (Smartshield)
Malfunction

P1260 Vehicle Immobilised
Smartshield Detected Theft

P1347 LPG Gas Tank Level
Out of Range

P1348 LPG Gas Tank Level
Low Voltage

P1349 LPG Gas Tank Level
High Voltage

P1358 Distributorless Ignition System
Failure

P1370 Engine Speed increase during spark advance test

Too Low

P1380 Variable Cam Timing
Failed

P1433 A/C Refrigerant Discharge Temp.
Low Voltage

P1434 A/C Refrigerant Discharge Temp.
High Voltage

P1435 A/C Refrigerant Discharge Temp.
Out of Range

P1436 A/C Refrigerant Evaporator Temp.
Low Voltage

P1437 A/C Refrigerant Evaporator Temp.
High Voltage

P1438 A/C Refrigerant Evaporator Temp.
Out of Range

P1463 A/C Pressure Transducer Sensor

Low Pressure

P1464 A/C Turned ON during Self Test

P1465 Air Conditioner Relay
Malfunction

P1471 Electro Drive Fan #2
Failed

P1472 Electro Drive Fan #1
Failed

P1520 Intake Manifold Runner Control
Malfunction

P1535 Blower Fan Speed (Heater Fan)
Out of Range

P1650 Power Steering Pressure Switch
Failure

P1651 Power Steering Pressure Switch
Didn't change state during Self Test


P1653 Power Steering Pressure Switch
Malfunction

P1654 A/C Recirculation Override
Malfunction

P1655 Starter Disable
Malfunction

P1705 Not In park or neutral during self test.

P1768 Power Economy Switch
Failure

[FGII-XR6]

yes thats the same as the list i just found so it sounds like a it doesn't exist

[robbo_yobbo]

good to hear its solved, things like this is why I want one of those scanners.

On that note, does that mean the OBDII scanners on eBay will do the trick? is there anything in particular to look for to make sure thier compatible?

[FGII-XR6]

Originally Posted by robbo_yobbo

good to hear its solved, things like this is why I want one of those scanners.

On that note, does that mean the OBDII scanners on eBay will do the trick? is there anything in particular to look for to make sure thier compatible?

as I understand it they use a different protocol so no they won't

[james22]

damn, i'm chasing a scanner too, no body seems to be able to give a straight answer on what will and wont work.

[robbo_yobbo]

Originally Posted by james22

damn, i'm chasing a scanner too, no body seems to be able to give a straight answer on what will and wont work.

I know the feeling

[FGII-XR6]

I'm chasing ford for the specs but it's like pulling teeth

[robbo_yobbo]

anyone know a dentist???? lol

[FS5]

waggaclint, thanks for posting the codes mate.

yeah i was a bit suss about the codes. my car still runs a AU II SI ECU (S Pac). when he put the tool on he typed in AU I Futura so maybe that's confused some thing some where. i quizzed him about it but mechanic's know best.

so i guess there is some thing else to look for when your au will crank over but wont start

[waggaclint]

not to sure about the scan tools on ebay...i use a otc one at work there about $5000...but as far as i know it just needs to be obdII compatable ill see if i can find out any more for you guys....i know you can get small ones that just read codes for a few hundred a tool guy came into work the other day sealing them and he reckons they work ill find out what brand they were...