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12-12-2007, 08:37 PM | #271 | |||
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12-12-2007, 09:08 PM | #272 | |||
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HAHAHA good work.. I spend that every weekend though if not more. Good ol' Fiddler.. If I can get away without spending over $300 ive had a cheap night. Anyone that knows me and has been out for a 'few drinks' knows what im like. Last night in the city cost me $528 exactly LOL. |
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12-12-2007, 09:16 PM | #273 | ||
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$528 holy crap, Usually I only spend $100, how on earth do you do that much haha, myu normal night is predrinks till your wasted stumble to pub and late night bus it back.
But anyway on topic for some reason this supercharger makes me want a turbo lol. Was ganna buy this but that was when nooone wanted one now everyone does, guess I just wanna be as different as posible (BIG BLOCK TIME!!!!). I figure the easest and most reliable way to get to my 300KW mark is a turbo and alot cheaper too. Well Parts wise it would be insurance is another story, damm under 25 insurance rates. : Last edited by dishpig; 12-12-2007 at 09:25 PM. |
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12-12-2007, 09:28 PM | #274 | |||
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12-12-2007, 10:53 PM | #275 | ||
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hahaha ok, im not going this weekend.. it hurts too much LMAO.
I may be going to Central in Blacktown, very very cheap drinks.. VERY cheap... Fiddler the week after. I dont particularly want a big one this weekend, I had a bottle smashed over my head in a fight last weekend, and it still hurts so.. yeah. Dishpig if you want to be different, get the blower. Everyone is going turbo. For some reason people think turbos are just better, cheaper and easier to get power from. I think if you get a well set up blower system, have an awesome tuner, get decent and quality parts, you will end up with a suprising outcome. |
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13-12-2007, 08:00 AM | #276 | ||
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I have spoken to Tim @ Raptor chargers. This is what I got.
When will the AU 4.0L I6 (non-VCT) kits be available on the market? Essentially it is all godo to go, I do need to double check the non VCT for correctness, urgently trying to purchase a NON VCT AU ute, let me know if any member has a reasonable 3 seater, Auto, well type ute with around 170 000kms for sale in Qld preferably > >What's included in the kit? I won't list it all here just right now but the kit is 100% complete including the flashtuner, that is brackets, belts, XR6T injectors, polished intake pipework, idler pulleys, air filter et etc etc > >Is the SCT Flasher tuner included in the over all price? YES > >What's the price of the complete kit? (just parts) Any order placed between now and January the 3rd 2008 will go for $4800 as a promotional price. People with partial kit pricing will have had the pricing customised around what they do or do not need and in most cases no 2 partial kit prices will be the same. > >What's the price of the complete kit fitted? We typically supply everything for DIY, we will arrange fitment if necessary and its only charged by the hours it takes, around 3.5hrs is heaps of time. We recently have had 2 females fit their Holden V6 kits without problem at all, the Ford kit is even easier. > >What's the expected gain's or total power achievable? The total power achievable has not yet been discovered, we only worked with an AU XR6 VCT sedan, the dyno charts are on the website, it can achieve more power at current boost level if owner would replace the restrictive cat back section, however he is totally pleased with it and has no desire to upgrade further. The tuner says current tune could make 205rwkw with good exhaust, he "estimates" with intercooler and 2 psi more boost power may climb to 235rwkw + with stock engine. The tuner is Dave Sheedy (not sure on spelling) who did hold the record for fastest unopened XR6T in AU(around 10.8 secs), he is a master tuner for Fords without a doubt. He is providing all our AU tunes > >What's the peak boost range on the head unit? 12 psi at the charger > >Can they be upgraded? eg. Pullies? Yes, smaller pulleys. We have been extremely successful with the Holden V6 Ecotec and this same performance will be repeated for the Ford product as the same product formula will be applied. This year Raptor supercharged vehicles took out the V6 Forced induction class in 3 states of the Street Commodores national dyno days, that being Qld, SA and WA. Reliability and premium quality tuning allows even the customer with the most basic kit to be highly competitive. Kindest regards Tim Raptor Superchargers 0409 897 081 www.raptorsc.com.au |
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13-12-2007, 05:29 PM | #277 | |||
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12psi aye? I dont think i'd run it above 9 or 10 tho sounds sweet I may drive upto QLD mid-jan and get it done /gets all tingly Quote:
DAMN MAN!!! I usually only spend around $150-$200, cuz i usually down a bottle of JD before i head out I only spent $200 at Pontoon on Saturday just past, but that's because we had a work christmas party beforehand and i had 17 cocktails
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13-12-2007, 05:37 PM | #278 | ||
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If you's stopped drinking you could buy the expensive capa supercharger
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13-12-2007, 07:14 PM | #279 | ||
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Does anyone know what the torque is like in comparison between turbo and supercharger. My guess is supercharger would pull harder and harder the further up the rpm you go, and boost would have normal then hit boost and be on the same level. I'm probably wrong but does anyone here know?
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13-12-2007, 08:46 PM | #280 | ||
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Torque would be around the same as a turbo. It would just feel different. But the supercharger would feel like its pulling harder from low rpm, rather than a sudden whack like a turbo.
ayeyew i didnt realise you lived in the hills.. might have to catch up for a few drinks soon. |
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13-12-2007, 09:04 PM | #281 | ||
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Interesting... someone (I can't remember who) posted a few months ago that the belt-driven blower "lacks power under 3000rpm".
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13-12-2007, 09:12 PM | #282 | ||
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A belt driven turbo, if set at 9psi, is making that at peak revs. With the right setup, you could get a constant 9psi out of a turbo at 2000rpm to redline
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13-12-2007, 09:23 PM | #283 | ||
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Can you get a belt driven turbo these days?
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13-12-2007, 09:29 PM | #284 | |||
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14-12-2007, 08:03 AM | #285 | |||
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Where as with a supercharger, yeah you may have 2.5psi at 2000rpm, but at 4000rpm it will be closer to 9psi, rather than 5psi, like most over stated myths. Yes boost builds with rev's, but its not linear as such, like stated. |
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14-12-2007, 09:56 AM | #286 | |||
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14-12-2007, 03:57 PM | #287 | ||
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No its not. A turbo that is small enough to spool that early to max boost, will not likely be making the same amount of boost at redline.
Look at the XR6T for example.
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14-12-2007, 03:58 PM | #288 | ||
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the disco potato is a turbo that does the above.. and was built for the AE86 toyota sprinters from memory..
it is small enough to come on boost early.. and boosts hard to redline which is what was perfect for drifting if i have my story correct..
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14-12-2007, 04:02 PM | #289 | |||
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14-12-2007, 05:28 PM | #290 | |||
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14-12-2007, 08:05 PM | #291 | |||
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14-12-2007, 10:11 PM | #292 | |||
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Found the following post on another forum site, comparing a V8 VE ute with a Raptor'd VY V6 without any other significant mechanical mods...
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14-12-2007, 10:16 PM | #293 | ||
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Are the VY's running the same unit though?
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14-12-2007, 10:31 PM | #294 | |||
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The basic reason for this is that the ECU is powerful enough to instantaneously calculate the theoretical torque output at any given rpm, load, intake temp etc then manipulate boost, cam and ignition timing etc to ensure that torque doesn't exceed the programmed maximum. In a stock XR6T the turbo is well within its limits, as evidenced by tuners' ability to pull around 400FWKW without upgrading the turbo. According to one manifold fabricator (no it's not a pun!) an externally-gated turbo similar to the one used in the XR6T has produced 25psi at 2300rpm on his manifold. Also don't forget a turbo exhaust system has 2 orifices - the turbine and the wastegate. The sizing and control of the wastegate no doubt have an impact on whether any given turbo chokes the engine at high rpm. Anyway, back on topic, yes you could get a turbo to produce 9psi at 2000, but the burning question for me is, how much more torque will this produce than a centri blower producing 1 (or 2.5, or whatever) psi at the same revs? BTW I just remembered I have an Excel spreadsheet somewhere that I can use to calculate torque at given RPM from a dyno sheet showing power v's rpm. Can't do it now, but I'll plug the power figures from the Landcruiser graph into it and see what the torque curve looks like.
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14-12-2007, 10:36 PM | #295 | |||
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15-12-2007, 11:01 AM | #296 | |||
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15-12-2007, 12:16 PM | #297 | ||
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Sorry Death351, but you are yet to answer my question. I have been able to answer yours, so please tell us, seeing as you are another self proclaimed expert on this field, how many cars have you owned with belt driven turbos? I, as would others, would like to know what your 2 cents is really worth.
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15-12-2007, 02:27 PM | #298 | ||
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Until I sold my AU (which wasn't a POS), I had fully intended to buy this kit. I've only stated the bleeding obvious things, such as this kit with respect to other similar kits is a bargain. That this is an easy kit to fit (girls are fitting the Commodore versions themselves), doesn't require turfing an investment in a set of extractors, etc. You don't need to be an expert to know those things, it's common sense. Otherwise, my 2c have simply been passing information from Tim himself, who it's safe to say does have a fair amount of knowledge on the subject.
I began talking Tim before this kit existed, because he had BA-BF kits and I enquired about the possibility of an AU one. Despite selling the AU, I've kept in touch and kept people updated on it's progress for the benefit of others. Ultimately, this thread is about the kit, not about turbo setups or how much better they might be - the latter has argued to death in other threads and doesn't needed to be repeated here.
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18-12-2007, 10:19 AM | #299 | ||
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Is anyone with an XR6HP planning to buy this kit? I believe Tim has a ute with a base model I6 to develop the non-VCT kit. AFAIK the tune for this may not be right for the HP version of the engine.
He could source a HP cam and PCM fairly cheaply, however a search of the AU parts database reveals: Part # / Description / Unit Price ER 6049 A / CYL HEAD ASSY, HEAD ONLY, 4.0L SOHC EFI 6 CYL (MP) / $593.62 ERT 6049 A / CYL HEAD ASSY, 4.0L SOHC EFI 6 CYL (HP) / $814.37 Which I guess settles the question of whether the Tickford head is different to the base I6's. So, somewhere along the way Tim will need to get an XR6HP into his workshop to tune so he has full coverage of the range. Anyone in Qld willing to oblige?
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