Ford to shed 240 local jobs, cut production as demand slumps - Page 11

Gobes32 · 22-04-2011, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 2008WhiteSR

Why the delay with the new Territory? They seem to be doing everything they can to minimize the number of cars sold this year. Is it a last minute halt/recall to fix a newly identified fault?

Minor software fault. Ford will always hold back on shipping new models until in their eyes, they are perfect.

stevz · 22-04-2011, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

My point exactly!!!

What is your point exactly?

The employee cars have obviously come and gone but the cars in stock haven't moved.

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

Minor software fault. Ford will always hold back on shipping new models until in their eyes, they are perfect.

It's a pity they didn't do that with previous models.

Gobes32 · 22-04-2011, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by stevz

It's a pity they didn't do that with previous models.

These cars are destined for dealers, new model drive days etc so they need to have no imperfections in paint, run smoothly, etc. I assume you are upset about problems that appear later on in the vehicles life?

stevz · 22-04-2011, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

These cars are destined for dealers, new model drive days etc so they need to have no imperfections in paint, run smoothly, etc. I assume you are upset about problems that appear later on in the vehicles life?

Sorry, I misunderstood. You are right, I was thinking of issues such as the terri ball joints etc.

Joe5619 · 22-04-2011, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by stevz

What is your point exactly?

Not all cars in these pics are unsold cars!! They are car parks fulled with employee cars!!

Smoke Pursuit · 22-04-2011, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

What a load of TOTAL BS!!!

yeah okay..

I dont know too many people who want to pay retail for a 12 month old BF wagon 4 speed on gas.. thats probably why they still have them.

They thought the fleet market would pay top dollar for them, only problem is fleet companies dont buy cars that are any older then 3 months from production.. lol.

Smoke Pursuit · 22-04-2011, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

Not all cars in these pics are unsold cars!! They are car parks fulled with employee cars!!

No but 90% of them are unsold cars.. all the cars at the back of the factory are unsold, and theres probably another 100 or so up the front on the corner that are unsold too.

DanielXR8 · 22-04-2011, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

That can't be right because there have been hundreds of people on here who would buy a wagon if they were still available. And then there is all the people who have fleet manager *mates* who tried to order 50,000 wagons but Ford don't have them anymore........

Too many people talking **** on these forums sometimes........

I think you will find they are blow up Falcon Wagons used as decoys to fool Holden that Ford is still in the business of making wagons so they will over produce sports wagons to compete. ;)

Very cunning that Bill Osbourne. It was one of his ideas.

**Fordman1** · 23-04-2011, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

Not all cars in these pics are unsold cars!! They are car parks fulled with employee cars!!

The Head Office Car park is full of employee cars

Toll compound is full of 'sold' cars.

There are SZ Territories waiting Ok to ship (900 odd ?), so the number of cars without homes is just over 3,000. Thus the 18 down days, and the downbalance.

NB: Wagon was killed because it was going to be too expensive to make it Euro IV, ie: powertrain, electronics, looms, etc. $20 mil +.

An all new wagon would have been $200 - 300 mil. There was NEVER going to be any money for that with Mondeo Wagon available from Europe.

Joe5619 · 23-04-2011, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

yeah okay..

I dont know too many people who want to pay retail for a 12 month old BF wagon 4 speed on gas.. thats probably why they still have them.

They thought the fleet market would pay top dollar for them, only problem is fleet companies dont buy cars that are any older then 3 months from production.. lol.

No one bought these private away.. It was 100% fleet!! If you can't sell them to Fleets, you cant sell them!!

There was only something like 200-300 gas falcon sold last year, wounder how many where Wagon.. (I'm guess none!!) But 9 months later you excpet Ford to start selling Private to move them???

But dont let me stop you putting anything & everything Ford down!!

stevz · 23-04-2011, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

But dont let me stop you putting anything & everything Ford down!!

There is a big difference between putting something down and telling it as it is.

Joe5619 · 23-04-2011, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

No but 90% of them are unsold cars.. all the cars at the back of the factory are unsold, and theres probably another 100 or so up the front on the corner that are unsold too.

Take a look at the Jan 29 pic (weekend) compared to Jan 20 pic (week day) to see how many cars are not just "sitting" there for ages.. Then try tell me again the the last pic is 90% unsold cars!! Again total BS from you to put ford down!!

Yes I agree there is a build up of unsold cars, but not as bad a some seem to make out.. After all the 29th pic clearly shows there was NO inventory problem at the end of Jan.. Ford has been working 3 days a week for the last 3 months.. How many can they have built up over that time building only 3 days a week???

Gobes32 · 23-04-2011, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Barraxr8

The Head Office Car park is full of employee cars

Toll compound is full of 'sold' cars.

There are SZ Territories waiting Ok to ship (900 odd ?), so the number of cars without homes is just over 3,000. Thus the 18 down days, and the downbalance.

NB: Wagon was killed because it was going to be too expensive to make it Euro IV, ie: powertrain, electronics, looms, etc. $20 mil +.

An all new wagon would have been $200 - 300 mil. There was NEVER going to be any money for that with Mondeo Wagon available from Europe.

Listen to this man, for he speaks wise words........

Joe5619 · 23-04-2011, 01:08 PM

You can also focus in & swap between the dates, to see the car colors changing dramatically to note the cars are turning over & not just sitting there!!

Smoke Pursuit · 23-04-2011, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

Take a look at the Jan 29 pic (weekend) compared to Jan 20 pic (week day) to see how many cars are not just "sitting" there for ages.. Then try tell me again the the last pic is 90% unsold cars!! Again total BS from you to put ford down!!

Yes I agree there is a build up of unsold cars, but not as bad a some seem to make out.. After all the 29th pic clearly shows there was NO inventory problem at the end of Jan.. Ford has been working 3 days a week for the last 3 months.. How many can they have built up over that time building only 3 days a week???

That jan stock is after been shut down for 4 weeks over christmas!!

You have no idea, seriously.

Im not trying to put Ford down, I have close friends that work for Ford Australia and I buy cars manufactured by Ford Australia, on a regular basis. Do you think I want to see the company go bust?? Not likely.

Ford_The_Win · 23-04-2011, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

You can also focus in & swap between the dates, to see the car colors changing dramatically to note the cars are turning over & not just sitting there!!

That's what I thought. Yes they are in trouble in a lot of ways but the stock IS moving. I'm no expert though. I will have to get the train to Upfield and see if I can grab some snapshots.

Joe5619 · 23-04-2011, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

That jan stock is after been shut down for 4 weeks over christmas!!

You have no idea, seriously.

Im not trying to put Ford down, I have close friends that work for Ford Australia and I buy cars manufactured by Ford Australia, on a regular basis. Do you think I want to see the company go bust?? Not likely.

I might have no idea, but I've been around here long enough to know who knows what.. And if Barraxr8 says there is only 3000 "unsold" one sitting here, then I believe that!! 3000 is not even one months supply (include seden, ute & territ)!!

**Fordman1** · 23-04-2011, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

I might have no idea, but I've been around here long enough to know who knows what.. And if Barraxr8 says there is only 3000 "unsold" one sitting here, then I believe that!! 3000 is not even one months supply (include seden, ute & territ)!!

3000 + is many days of production sitting at Ford considering the number of Down Days they have been having already !!

There are many more at dealers.

Things aren't good, lets hope for an improvement for the guys that work at FoA.

stevz · 23-04-2011, 11:19 PM

For anyone interested, here are Holden's and Toyota's holding yards

Holden
http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-34.75159...h&nmd=20110303

Toyota
http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.83756...h&nmd=20110406

bobthebilda · 23-04-2011, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

I might have no idea, but I've been around here long enough to know who knows what.. And if Barraxr8 says there is only 3000 "unsold" one sitting here, then I believe that!! 3000 is not even one months supply (include seden, ute & territ)!!

http://www.smh.com.au/business/ford-...=1302790386942

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Ford's manufacturing plant at Broadmeadows in Melbourne's north is capable of producing 120,000 vehicles a year. Ford has been implementing production stoppages to take up the slack, but it has not been enough: the inventory of unsold vehicles is believed to have blown out this year to about 120 days' worth, three times as high as Holden's

Gobes32 · 24-04-2011, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by bobthebilda

http://www.smh.com.au/business/ford-...=1302790386942

It is "believed".......

It is definitely not 120 days production, BUT, it is enough to warrant 18 more down days.

I don't know why people are so upset. The Falcon is not selling because people do not like them anymore. Argue with me all you want but at the end of the day, if the Falcon is so bloody good, then there would not be a whole car park full of the things?

If the Falcon dies, it will be because the buying public decided so.

SpoolMan · 24-04-2011, 12:29 PM

A lot of things have been covered in this thread, everything from the threads intended purpose of job loses to many of you having a better strategy and the key to selling more Falcons than Ford HQ.
One thing we all have in common is wanting Ford Australia succeed some are passionate about this, after 14 pages the thread shifted all over the place for anyone wanting to know the threads intended purpose, it was job loses, read 1st post here.
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11328412

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