Covid 19 -

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Interestingly, all the "Karens" and "sovereign citizens" are not what you would classify as from the "west cultural demographics".

Except for the "I know my rights" fool in the Landcruiser a couple of weeks ago.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

I noticed that. But inner east is also very multicultural, mainly asian based. Box Hill, Springvale are usually very busy places. Thank god they cancelled chinese new year celebrations early this year, otherwise I don't want to think what might have happened. These are also high density areas, where a lot people live in blocks of flats. Surprised it hasn't really kicked off there, although Whitehorse does have a few cases.

Interestingly, all the "Karens" and "sovereign citizens" are not what you would classify as from the "west cultural demographics".

Tbh, I think it’s a testament to the Asian community, their already established mask wearing culture, and their experience living in close quarters with each other that Box Hill was never a major outbreak area. I live in one of the next suburbs from Box Hill, and the community there were one of the most compliant in the face of restrictions from day one.

Originally Posted by T3rminator

You do know Betoota is satire, right?

Yeah mate, I’m a millennial. Hence why I used the word “fun” when referring to them in my OP.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Danny

Yeah mate, I’m a millennial. Hence why I used the word “fun” when referring to them in my OP.

haha just checking. From time to time you read some of the comments on their articles where people complain about how the content is presented

Word of mouth spreads very quickly in the asian community. A lot of news were already floating around about how easily the virus spreads back in late Jan and Feb. I'm assuming this would have originated from people with relatives in China. My parents, being in the vulnerable category, went into self lock down straight away.

[russellw]

A little set of graphs today that look at the daily case numbers for a few countries since the pandemic began in earnest.

I'm going to use column graphs today and ideally, what you want to see is a 'shape' that draws a downward curve from some peak point. I've drawn in the 3rd or 4th order polynomial trend lines (in purple) to show that shape.

First up are a couple of countries that, while not ideally shaped, are close to it - the United Kingdom and Italy which both had high early case numbers but then have tapered down since mid-April (Italy) and mid-May (UK) and although the UK has started a second upward trend recently, it's not steep while Italy started a second but also stopped it quickly. Both of these are 4th order polynomial trends.





The next pairing are Spain and Australia. Both show signs of a second wave with the Australian second wave actually more severe than the first wave but both those second waves have also tapered off or started to reverse in recent days. The trends are 3rd order polynomials.





Finally, a pair that are exactly what you don't want to see; the United States and Brazil - one of which is still largely following the herd immunity approach and the other which just seems to be full of idiots; both countries probably being led by one (an idiot that is) as well. Neither of these graphs have shown any real sign of doing anything other than climbing and even the little dip in the USA trend curve was short lived.

[russellw]

Earlier in the week we looked at the number of days that had elapsed since the highest daily total was recorded for a range of countries.

The related set of data I want to look at today is those countries that have had case numbers above their 90th percentile during the last week and how many days that happened. This is perhaps a better indicator than days since peak of countries that are not only failing to gain ground but which are losing ground in the fight against the pandemic.

Globally (world total) it happened on four of the last seven days and nine of the last 14 days.

Starting with Africa these are all days out of the last seven: Morocco & Libya (7), Ethiopia (6), Senegal & Tunisia (4), Angola & Kenya (3).

Asia: India & Lebanon (7), Syria, Iraq & Philippines (6), Indonesia, Uzbekistan & Japan (5), Palestine, Israel, Nepal & South Korea (2).

South America: Argentina, Paraguay & Venezuela (7), Colombia (6), Peru (5), Costa Rica (4) Ecuador, Bolivia & Brazil (2).

North America: Guatemala (3), El Salvador (2), Dominican Republic (1),

Europe: Albania & Greece (7), Ukraine & Poland (6), Romania (5), Moldova (4), Czechia & Bosnia (2).

[T3rminator]

Bill Shorten on insiders program pointed out that quarantine is a federal goverment responsibility as set out in the constitution. Is he correct or is he misusing the clause? If he is correct, why are all state premiers running the show? Can the powers be transferred?


https://twitter.com/billshortenmp/st...916886016?s=20

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Bill Shorten on insiders program pointed out that quarantine is a federal goverment responsibility as set out in the constitution. Is he correct or is he misusing the clause? If he is correct, why are all state premiers running the show? Can the powers be transferred?


https://twitter.com/billshortenmp/st...916886016?s=20

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Bill Shorten ?

The worst Labor leader ever, and now a bitter a twisted old man 👎

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

Bill Shorten ?

The worst Labor leader ever, and now a bitter a twisted old man 👎

He called Scomo a 'simp' this morning on ABC - I wonder if he knows what that means

https://junkee.com/bill-shorten-simp/266306

Simp is a slang insult for men who are seen as too attentive and submissive to women, especially out of a failed hope of winning some entitled sexual attention or activity from them.

Reminds me when an executive at work called someone a 'rock spider' without knowing what it means

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

He called Scomo a 'simp' this morning on ABC - I wonder if he knows what that means

Simply don't like any politician but I reckon Billy boy is right. Quarantine is the responsibility. of the federal govco and should never have been handed to the states.
Otherwise known as passing the buck.

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Otherwise known as passing the buck.

This.

Federal Gov closed the borders, bought in restrictions and the lockdowns. Then handed it over to the States and Territories to handle it all. Then screamed and demanded State and Territory borders be re-opened.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

Bill Shorten ?

The worst Labor leader ever, and now a bitter a twisted old man 👎

Put aside the messenger for a second. I'm interested to know about the constitution. On a side note, this stuff should be taught in schools. Rather than A² + B² = C² shenanigans.

[roKWiz]

Last time I visited Canberra, I bought a copy if the Constitution from the National Library.
I think the movie "The Castle" inspired me to buy it.
Its the vibe.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Last time I visited Canberra, I bought a copy if the Constitution from the National Library.
I think the movie "The Castle" inspired me to buy it.
Its the vibe.

Teaching of Civics should be brought back to the classroom, every student should have an understanding of how the constitution works. One thinks if more people had a grasp of the rules and laws of the country and the levers of power politicians would be less likely to try on the shenanigans they're doing at the moment.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Put aside the messenger for a second. I'm interested to know about the constitution. On a side note, this stuff should be taught in schools. Rather than A² + B² = C² shenanigans.

No messenger required, Shorten would be the worst leader this country would have had. EVER !

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Bill Shorten on insiders program pointed out that quarantine is a federal government responsibility as set out in the constitution. [/URL]

I'm going to go ahead and say that the detail in the constitution wouldn't specify quantine to the state level and I guess PO level.
I will assume too that this is referencing the boat people stuff, this what we have is unexpected although not the first.

There is some truth behind the 'sovereign citizen' statement compared to state government, federal law, constitution etc. . Not that this excuses their ignorant, inconsiderate health actions

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Mr_G6ET

I'm going to go ahead and say that the detail in the constitution wouldn't specify quantine to the state level and I guess PO level.
I will assume too that this is referencing the boat people stuff, this what we have is unexpected although not the first.

There is some truth behind the 'sovereign citizen' statement compared to state government, federal law, constitution etc. . Not that this excuses their ignorant, inconsiderate health actions

Sovereign Citizen 🤣

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

Sovereign Citizen 🤣

Here's one..



... a Gold Sovereign Citizen.

[Tickford.]

Robert Trump, aka 'honey' to his brother Donald, passed away overnight. Aged 71.

Cause of death.. undisclosed.

Was in ICU for several days prior to death.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Robert Trump, aka 'honey' to his brother Donald, passed away overnight. Aged 71.

Cause of death.. undisclosed.

Was in ICU for several days prior to death.

Brain cancer, or something similar.

Get your tin foil hat off, he has had treatments for this recently, but it was unsuccessful.

[russellw]

252 new cases for Australia and 17 deaths sees the CMR rise to 1.701% and active cases rise to 9,022. NSW recorded 5 cases, SA recorded 1 with the balance in Victoria.

13 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.356% and active cases rise to 69.

The UK had 1,105 new cases and 8 deaths yesterday for a CMR of 12.988%.

Just over 53k new cases in the USA yesterday and 1,071 deaths sees CMR down to 3.121% and active cases at 44.4% with the raw numbers rising again. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
India completes 29M and Chile 2M tests;

South Korea (279), Lebanon (439), Venezuela (1,281), Iraq (4,348) and Peru (10,143) all recorded new daily highs, those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[russellw]

I see the daily report from Dan today shows 25 deaths so that will sadly set another new record high if it stands. Not unexpected but still a tragic waste.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by russellw

I see the daily report from Dan today shows 25 deaths so that will sadly set another new record high if it stands. Not unexpected but still a tragic waste.

Without doubt, every death is sad, no one wants to lose a family member.

Is it possible to get the age and pre-existing health conditions of those who passed away? I read last week a 30yo or thereabouts was classed as a Covid death, however there are rumours circulating he had stage 4 cancer? Would that be covid death or a cancer death?

[GO FURTHER]

Originally Posted by Romulus

I read last week a 30yo or thereabouts was classed as a Covid death, however there are rumours circulating he had stage 4 cancer? Would that be covid death or a cancer death?

If you have terminal cancer but then die in a car crash.... What did you die from?

There lies the answer.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

If you have terminal cancer but then die in a car crash.... What did you die from?

There lies the answer.

Exactly.

I’m getting sick of people qualifying these deaths as somehow meaning less because they had underlying conditions.

It’s disgusting.


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[Romulus]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

If you have terminal cancer but then die in a car crash.... What did you die from?

There lies the answer.

You died from cancer, the car crash brought the date forward.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Romulus

You died from cancer, the car crash brought the date forward.

Seeing as a large number of people die from old age, if they happen to die in a car crash all the crash did was bring that death forward?

Seriously?

[russellw]

Originally Posted by Romulus

You died from cancer, the car crash brought the date forward.

Wrong. You died from a car crash in terms of the statistical data models. The cancer isn't even going to get a mention in most cases as it would not be considered a co-morbidity.

The guidelines are actually pretty clear and they apply globally in terms of which statistical category a death is placed in. It has long been recognised that there are some illnesses (like HIV and cancers) where the 'clinical' cause of death is pneumonia or some other infection brought about by the compromised immune system and the guidelines make it clear that those are recorded as cancer related deaths with a secondary 'code' assigned to the actual clinical diagnosis.

We may well find that there is some refinement in the guidelines in terms of COVID19 eventually but as it stands now, if it is present in the system at time of death then it will be recorded as the 'cause' with the co-morbidities listed as secondary reasons.

[Tickford.]

That would indeed be the highest number of deaths per 24 hour period in Victoria.

[russellw]

If you go back a couple of pages you'll find the age and death data graphed for Australia. We had two in their 30's last week and one of them was a hospital doctor in good health apparently (although there has been no official word about either of the 30 year old people).

[LG17]

Apparently the 20 year old who died "from the virus" had stage 4 terminal cancer.