Covid 19 -

[AlanD]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Why do people get flu shots when they don’t have the flu????

Can we try to avoid confusing a viral test (to determine if you have been infected) with viral inoculation ( which hopefully "tricks" the immune system into producing appropriate antibodies against the virus) that "should" assist with giving the individual a head start with defeating an infection.

'flu shots are "usually' a cocktail of inoculations designed to help fight off whichever 'flu virus strains are known to be currently circulating among the world's populations. According to our GP our 'flu shot this year combated against 5 strains of the 'flu and usually was only given to older people - other age groups got inoculated against fewer strains I was informed.

Since I'm here, can posters avoid posts that have little or nothing to do with Covid 19? I'm getting tired of reading a lot of rubbish.

Cheers

[russellw]

13 new cases for Australia and 5 deaths so the CMR rises to 3.156% while active cases drop to 1,987. NSW & Queensland recorded 2 cases and WA recorded 1 with the balance in Victoria. The Victorian State 14 day moving average is now 40.79 with metro at 34.4 (47 unknown) and regional at 1.6 and no unknown cases.

4 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.377% and active cases rise to 71.

The UK had 3,899 new cases yesterday. We know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines so we are going to ignore those figures.

Just over 43.5k new cases in the USA yesterday and 657 deaths sees CMR drop to 2.925% and active cases down to 36.5% with the raw numbers rising again. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 31M, the last 1M taking 4 days this time;
The USA completes 98M, India 63M and South Africa 4M tests;

Tunisia (626), Lebanon (1,006) and Hungary (1,070) all recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[Romulus]

Is there any veracity to the numbers from Greece?

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by Romulus

Is there any veracity to the numbers from Greece?

Sweden has approx the same population but had 88,000 cases and 5,865 deaths. I guess lockdowns work. Greece has a large Syrian refugee population so I wonder are they counting deaths among them, if there are any.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

Sweden has approx the same population but had 88,000 cases and 5,865 deaths. I guess lockdowns work. Greece has a large Syrian refugee population so I wonder are they counting deaths among them, if there are any.

Is there a refusal to acknowledge HCQ as a treatment like the Australian government has? Lets stick to Greece for the moment.

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by Romulus

Is there a refusal to acknowledge HCQ as a treatment like the Australian government has? Lets stick to Greece for the moment.

Again, did you actually read the article? Did you even just glance at it? Notice how in the top right hand corner it says opinion, not research? And note the date, April.
Here's a link to the opinion piece
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...020.00176/full

I can't find any results for any properly run trials of hydroxychloroquine from the greek hospitals.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

Again, did you actually read the article? Did you even just glance at it? Notice how in the top right hand corner it says opinion, not research? And note the date, April.
Here's a link to the opinion piece
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...020.00176/full

I can't find any results for any properly run trials of hydroxychloroquine from the greek hospitals.

Yes, I did read the article. And am also aware that since April there has been a great deal more development regarding the use of HCQ, including the Lancet having to retract the data and analyses conducted by Surgisphere Corporation.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...324-6/fulltext

The science is never settled. It's the nut jobs saying HCQ doesn't work or shouldn't be considered as a treatment for Covid-19.

[PhilT2]

Craig Kelly's facebook page may not be the best source of scientific information.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?s...=en&as_sdt=0,5
Here's a link that leads to 18,000 scientific articles about hydroxychloroquine, the overall opinion seems to be that while it may do some good, it also has side effects that result in more harm than good. To dismiss the work of hundreds of researchers as "nut jobs" is not an indicator of good research skills.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

Craig Kelly's facebook page may not be the best source of scientific information.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?s...=en&as_sdt=0,5
Here's a link that leads to 18,000 scientific articles about hydroxychloroquine, the overall opinion seems to be that while it may do some good, it also has side effects that result in more harm than good. To dismiss the work of hundreds of researchers as "nut jobs" is not an indicator of good research skills.

I just looked at your link. Third listed article;

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...24857920300996

Conclusion
Despite its small sample size, our survey shows that hydroxychloroquine treatment is significantly associated with viral load reduction/disappearance in COVID-19 patients and its effect is reinforced by azithromycin.

I only clicked one link. There's probably another 17,000 odd thousand that associate HCQ and azithromycin with the treatment of Covid-19.

[Polyal]

If it was a quick fix it would be proven and used, it is not. Not sure why it needs to be more complicated than that. To think that the world and "big pharma" would be holding back on sorting this out if it was that easy is the definition of crazy.

[russellw]

14 new cases for Australia and 2 deaths so the CMR rises to 3.162% while active cases rise to 1,998. NSW recorded 4 cases and Queensland recorded 1 with the balance in Victoria. The Victorian State 14 day moving average is now 38.64 with metro at 32.8 (45 unknown) and regional at 1.6 and no unknown cases. The Victorian case numbers were the lowest since 6th June but on the back of low testing numbers as well.

No new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.377% and active cases fall to 62.

The UK had 4,368 new cases yesterday. We know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines so we are going to ignore those figures.

Just under 41k new cases in the USA yesterday and 294 deaths sees CMR drop to 2.912% and active cases remain at 36.5% with the raw numbers rising. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
The USA passes 7M cases;
India completes 64M, Russia 43M, UK 22M and Spain 11M tests;

Greece (453), Tunisia (996), Netherlands (2,217) and Indonesia (4,176) all recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[Tickford.]

UK is in serious trouble again aren't they?

Australia must be the one and only 'big' Western country that is doing ok. CCP must be hating us for it. They probably didn't expect Australia to lockdown as hard as we have.

And China is smiling from ear to ear looking at the USA and UK. It's almost like China knew which Western countries had the biggest population of morons. The Wu-Flu is doing exactly as China had planned in these parts of the world.



VIC update: 28 new cases and 3 further deaths in the past 24 hours to 11:00am.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Why do people get flu shots when they don’t have the flu????

WTF has that got to do with it?

The government has asked people to get tested "IF THEY SHOW SYMPTOMS".

They are not asking people to get tested just for the fun of it.

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

WTF has that got to do with it?

The government has asked people to get tested "IF THEY SHOW SYMPTOMS".

They are not asking people to get tested just for the fun of it.

Tsk tsk tsk

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Tsk tsk tsk

Yep. Your comment was that ridiculous it is worth a tsk, tsk, tsk.

The original comment was why are people not willing to be tested. And as I said, the government is only asking people to be tested if they show symptoms. Not just at random.

So again, what does that have to do with flu shots? Completely irrelevant.

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Yep. Your comment was that ridiculous it is worth a tsk, tsk, tsk.

The original comment was why are people not willing to be tested. And as I said, the government is only asking people to be tested if they show symptoms. Not just at random.

So again, what does that have to do with flu shots? Completely irrelevant.

Well if the Govt forced everyone to get tested they might get on top of the pandemic by finding the carriers before they get out and spread it everywhere.You just might be a carrier yourself but won’t know until you get symptoms.Same as people get flu shots before they get flu symptoms

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

UK is in serious trouble again aren't they?

Australia must be the one and only 'big' Western country that is doing ok. CCP must be hating us for it. They probably didn't expect Australia to lockdown as hard as we have.

And China is smiling from ear to ear looking at the USA and UK. It's almost like China knew which Western countries had the biggest population of morons. The Wu-Flu is doing exactly as China had planned in these parts of the world.



VIC update: 28 new cases and 3 further deaths in the past 24 hours to 11:00am.

They did, look at the arsenal Andrews has prepared to roll out against the citizenry. Looks like he's preparing to wage war against the dissenters judging by the military spec equipment the Police have. The Omnibus bill in parliament was probably written by the CCP.

[FairmontGS]

That's the problem with citing micro-studies - the sample sizes, presence (or lack of) of academic protocols, studies in relation to proper control groups, etc. If any of these are lacking then the study results are/and should be cancelled to ensure correct outcomes.

To that end, CMI (Clinical Microbiology and Infection is a monthly publication in English of the European Society of Clinical Microbiology and Infectious Diseases and publishes peer-reviewed papers that present basic and applied research relevant to therapy and diagnostics in the fields of microbiology, infectious) conducted a meta-data analysis with the aim:

"The aim of this systematic review and meta-analysis was to assess whether chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine with or without azithromycin decreased COVID-19 mortality compared with the standard of care."

This drew in sources from PubMed, Web of Science, Embase Cochrane Library, Google Scholar and MedRxiv were searched up to 25 July 2020.

The result of the meta-data study?

"Hydroxychloroquine alone was not associated with reduced mortality in hospitalized COVID-19 patients but the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin significantly increased mortality."

From a science-based view, that's probably the end of the HCQ discussion.

https://www.clinicalmicrobiologyandi...505-X/fulltext

[russellw]

30 new cases for Australia and 3 deaths so the CMR rises to 3.170% while active cases drop to 1,870. NSW recorded 2 cases and Queensland recorded 3 with the balance in Victoria. The Victorian State 14 day moving average is now 36.71 with metro at 29.4 (41 unknown) and regional at 1.1 and no unknown cases.

No new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.377% and active cases fall to 61.

The UK had 4,926 new cases yesterday, the highest since early May. We know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines so we are going to ignore those figures.

Just under 53k new cases in the USA yesterday and 384 deaths sees CMR drop to 2.8962% and active cases drop to 36.2% with the raw numbers rising. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
North America passes 300k deaths;
The USA completes 99M and India 65M tests;

The Netherlands (2,245) and Spain (10,799) both recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[CoupeKing]

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

If the UV light method doesn't work for you CoupeKing, you could try the following method - which was only just recently released by world leading COVID-19 researchers. This method is yet to be approved by the FDA and the WHO, but that hasn't stopped some people, and it shouldn't stop you from giving it a go if you must.

Researchers have released a set of instructions that is said to 100% eliminate the virus within a 6-8 hour period, and also with a 100% guarantee of NO long lasting side effects. This is absolutely fantastic news.

The study indicates that someone who has tested positive should consume 2 litres of very salty water within a 10 minute period. Following this, you must enter an Infrared Sauna immediately (not sure why it specifies an infrared sauna... but hey who am I to argue). Continue to stay inside the sauna for a period of 6-8 hours, and by yourself, as the vapour being expelled from your body contains high traces of COVID-19, and is contagious. Best practice would be to leave a note on the outside of the sauna with instructions stating that no one is to enter until **:**am/pm.

After a period of 6-8 hours inside the sauna, you will have 100% eliminated all traces of the COVID virus, and any side effects. As per the note you left outside the sauna, someone will most likely enter the sauna after the indicated time, and recover your now COVID-19 free self.

This is great news indeed. I was sent this information on FB, through a mate of a mate who works in a medical microbiology lab, and I have no reason to doubt it's validity.

[nstg8a]

Personally I think the stimulus is holding the economy back. (Apart from victoristan, it’s still very much needed there.

At my job we can’t get workers, I know others are having the same issue, nearly every day I have employment agencies ringing me trying to get me to work even though they know I’m in full time employment now.

People are preferring to sit at home on jobkeeper/seeker because they’re earning enough money that it’s not worth them going to work five days a week for an extra $1-200 a week.
With the weather warming up it’s even more enticing to stay on the govts tit.

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

Personally I think the stimulus is holding the economy back. (Apart from victoristan, it’s still very much needed there.

At my job we can’t get workers, I know others are having the same issue, nearly every day I have employment agencies ringing me trying to get me to work even though they know I’m in full time employment now.

People are preferring to sit at home on jobkeeper/seeker because they’re earning enough money that it’s not worth them going to work five days a week for an extra $1-200 a week.
With the weather warming up it’s even more enticing to stay on the govts tit.

The reason agencies keep ringing is because they get a pretty handy fee for every job placement.They ring you because you must be on their list,so a very easy heap of money,doesn’t matter that you already have work they still get their fee just by ringing you.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

The reason agencies keep ringing is because they get a pretty handy fee for every job placement.They ring you because you must be on their list,so a very easy heap of money,doesn’t matter that you already have work they still get their fee just by ringing you.

Normally I’d agree, but having spoken to the, these guys are desperate. It’s just stupidly hard to get workers at the moment. As I said, we have the same problem at work.

[Romulus]

The US govt last week updated the survival rates (i.e., IF infected) for Covid19:

0-19 99.997%
20-49 99.98%
50-69 99.5%
70+ 94.6%

Didn't see it reported much.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html

*from Adam Creighton.

[xxx000]

It seems some are perhaps overly focused on the survival rate and ignoring things such as impact on the health system currently, as well as if the virus was left unchecked.

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by xxx000

It seems some are perhaps overly focused on the survival rate and ignoring things such as impact on the health system currently, as well as if the virus was left unchecked.

So far India has lost almost 400 doctors to the virus; while most were elderly the youngest was 27. I can' find figures for the deaths of other health workers. India's health system is underfunded and short of doctors under normal circumstances. As infections increase less people will be able to access care and the survival rate will drop.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by xxx000

It seems some are perhaps overly focused on the survival rate and ignoring things such as impact on the health system currently, as well as if the virus was left unchecked.

1. Those people dismissing the virus are not in the age group were they are at risk
2. Those in the age group at risk are not members of AFF

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Polyal

1. Those people dismissing the virus are not in the age group were they are at risk
2. Those in the age group at risk are not members of AFF

3. or suffer other ailments which Covid could severely effect such as Asthma. (like myself)

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Polyal

1. Those people dismissing the virus are not in the age group were they are at risk
2. Those in the age group at risk are not members of AFF

wrong with point 2