Leaked order guide shows Ford Mustang will get 10-speed auto

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by Danny

Oh no no no!!!!

Not progress!!!!!

How is doing something stupid "progress"?

Would putting a 200l fuel tank in a Mustang be progress?
What about a 10l V16 engine? or 30 inch wheels?
Heck, why don't we make it 10m long and include seating for 8.
Because according to you adding redundant rubbish just for the sake of a bigger number is "progress."

[Strange1]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

CVT's can't handle torque though. And they are rubbish anyway.

I hate CVT's, everything I've driven with them has made me want to drive into a tree.

The argument of "More is always better" would have to logically lead people to saying that a CVT would be best case.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by cheap

If the engine had a power band of 1500rpm, then for sure +10 gears will do wonders. But the 5 litre V8 engine has a power band of several thousand rpm say 4000-5000rpm and plenty of TQ too... Not sure what advantage there is with 10 gears mated up with the V8 except for keeping up with the GM's.

Exactly my point suited to a diesel.

Ive driven the JGC SRT8 5 speed back to back with the newer 8 speed
5 speed pins you on the gear change, that feels lost on the 8 speed, though its quicker on paper.

[chopstar87]

This is the same unit or version of the same unit that GM has now fitted to the ZL1 Camaro (Supercharged V8)..

This 10 speed auto has been in development for a little bit now and is actually a joint venture between Ford and GM, which really is a rare thing to occur, considering they are 2 brands that are normally at war with each other.

[GTMOND]

If it were in a F series for towing ect I can see some validity in it. But IMO in a car with a broad power band with minimal weight to haul around, it just seems a bit excessive.
I have 18 gears in the truck I drive,but towing a b double you don't use them all.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by crazy dazz

how is doing something stupid "progress"?

Would putting a 200l fuel tank in a mustang be progress?
No, it would not, because it would be heavier, and take away valuable space in a sports vehicle with an engine economical enough to render such a fuel tank unnecessary


what about a 10l v16 engine? Or 30 inch wheels?
Because a 10l v16 would be an engine designed for generators, or one off exotica, and would in no way be able to be mass produced at a price point economical for a 2 door coupe when the use of such a presumably heavy engine would destroy the handling charateristics anyway.


heck, why don't we make it 10m long and include seating for 8.
Because then you'd have a novelty limousine for the salim mehajiar types to feature at weddings, no longer a sports car, or even a Mustang.

because according to you adding redundant rubbish just for the sake of a bigger number is "progress."
Wrong.
As you will have read (but sadly not taken in because presumably in your mind nobody requires anything more than the falcon offers), this 10 speed gearbox is slated to be lighter than the 6 speed, and all of those ratios have the nasty old side effect of keeping the engine spinning closer to its peak power and torque points for longer, meaning more economy, performance, and efficient delivery of power to the driveline.
Hardly "redundant rubbish"

Next.......

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Danny

Next.......

I don't think you took in the sarcasm.

[FPV GTHO]

Originally Posted by GTMOND

If it were in a F series for towing ect I can see some validity in it. But IMO in a car with a broad power band with minimal weight to haul around, it just seems a bit excessive.
I have 18 gears in the truck I drive,but towing a b double you don't use them all.

Like I already said, Ford aren't going to develop a gearbox specifically for Mustang.

[paulb351]

The new F150 Raptor will showcase the new 10-speed already announced... It will end up in all large Fords (and GM as they jointly developed it to save costs)


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[Danny]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

I don't think you took in the sarcasm.

sigh...

[CobraJet351]

In all honesty I think 4 gears is enough for normal driving, possibly even 3. But I don't see anyone complaint about the ZF now. That was seen as excessive back then.

If they can make it work, drive well, improve performance and economy then why the hell wouldn't they do it. I'd sell it once it's out of warranty though...

[TheInterceptor]

More complicated crap. Rife in all modern cars.

Which is why we have record recalls on so many makes and models these days.

Whatever, im 23 and im already a grumpy old man stuck in the past. Where things are simpler and cheaper and better in the long run.

[Blue Shadow]

Originally Posted by TheInterceptor

More complicated crap. Rife in all modern cars.

Which is why we have record recalls on so many makes and models these days.

Whatever, im 23 and im already a grumpy old man stuck in the past. Where things are simpler and cheaper and better in the long run.

Yep, back in my day too, 4,5 or 6 gears in a car is enough. I remember when cars had 2

[Anchor]

And the same dinosaurs probably had a cry when they got told the powerglide was being replaced with a th350.
"Huuurrr a turbo 6 will never beat the XR8"

[Sabantien]

I'd have to drive it before I could comment.

I figure when driving sedately it helps with the fuel economy, less revs and the like, but I'm guessing that when you punch it it's not using all the gears.

While I have ended up in an auto car, I thought if my manual had 6 gears, then so should my auto.

I'm guessing there's not a 10 speed manual gearbox coming, and I keep reading on here that real men really drive real cars with manuals, they don't just steer around an auto, so isn't everyone going to go for the manual in a Mustang anyhow?

[HULK EF]

Sheeple probably thought the same thing when.. 3 on the tree was good enough.. why do we need 4 speed? Then heaven forbid 5 and 6 speed came out and have not seen anyone losing their minds...

[FPV GTHO]

Originally Posted by Sabantien

I'd have to drive it before I could comment.

I figure when driving sedately it helps with the fuel economy, less revs and the like, but I'm guessing that when you punch it it's not using all the gears.

While I have ended up in an auto car, I thought if my manual had 6 gears, then so should my auto.

I'm guessing there's not a 10 speed manual gearbox coming, and I keep reading on here that real men really drive real cars with manuals, they don't just steer around an auto, so isn't everyone going to go for the manual in a Mustang anyhow?

My guess is it'll either be programmed to skip gears during hard use - it'll clearly skip gears during light use - or they'll choose a rear axle ratio so that you're only cruising in 6th-8th on the highway

[Sabantien]

Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

My guess is it'll either be programmed to skip gears during hard use - it'll clearly skip gears during light use - or they'll choose a rear axle ratio so that you're only cruising in 6th-8th on the highway

From what i've read it's got 3 overdrive gears, which I guess could be somewhat useful on the highway.

I know when I go from 100 up to 110 I start using noticeably more fuel. Given it's a gearbox destined for a lot of their vehicles all over the world, where the speed limits range a fair bit, it doesn't surprise me that there's a couple extra gears we probably won't use outside of the NT.

[FPV GTHO]

Much will also depend on what torque converters get paired with the different engines and vehicles.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by TheInterceptor

More complicated crap. Rife in all modern cars.

Which is why we have record recalls on so many makes and models these days.

Whatever, im 23 and im already a grumpy old man stuck in the past. Where things are simpler and cheaper and better in the long run.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-new...sion-revealed/

[chopstar87]

Originally Posted by Sabantien

I'd have to drive it before I could comment.

I figure when driving sedately it helps with the fuel economy, less revs and the like, but I'm guessing that when you punch it it's not using all the gears.

While I have ended up in an auto car, I thought if my manual had 6 gears, then so should my auto.

I'm guessing there's not a 10 speed manual gearbox coming, and I keep reading on here that real men really drive real cars with manuals, they don't just steer around an auto, so isn't everyone going to go for the manual in a Mustang anyhow?

Corvette and Porsche have now moved to 7 speed manuals.. manuals are starting to climb in gear # as well.

My 300c luxury as the 8 speed ZF Auto, paired with the 3.6 petrol V6. brilliant on the highway... does about 1250rpm at 105kms, which is massive help with the fuel been a the 2 tonne car (brick)... plus very smooth and is happy to go from 7 or 8th straight to 2nd/3rd with no issue at all.

1st to 2nd is at about 65km/h, 2nd to 3rd at 102kmh, 3rd-4th 140ish and 4-5 is at 195kmh. so even with 8 speed, the gears are spaced, the extra gears only really come in to play on the highway.

[FPV GTHO]

Porsche's 7 speed manual was just a variant of their 7 speed PDK. They went back to a 6 speed for the 911 R though, and that was a new gearbox too.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Anchor

And the same dinosaurs probably had a cry when they got told the powerglide was being replaced with a th350.
"Huuurrr a turbo 6 will never beat the XR8"

Haha turbo 6. I seem to remember the na 6 was beating the xr8.

[XByoot]

Originally Posted by Anchor

And the same dinosaurs probably had a cry when they got told the powerglide was being replaced with a th350.
"Huuurrr a turbo 6 will never beat the XR8"

And the owners of ten speeds will be bleating when they pay thousands to diagnose/ repair/ overhaul their transmissions...nothing is free in this world. Any idea how many clutch frictions are in them? I'd say 80 as a starting point...just shred one and see what it will cost,plus the dramas of what else gets stuffed up while the trans is getting pulled,like I say nothing is free,great tech and enjoy it while it's working!! But the warranty will take care of it...suuuure. Great if you buy the car and run it for a few years and flip it....
A coyote with another 50 cubes and a wider torque band would be more fun in my book. Now if they made a 20 speed trans that's a whole different story,it must be twice as good as the boring old 10 speed.

[QIKESP]

Originally Posted by XByoot

And the owners of ten speeds will be bleating when they pay thousands to diagnose/ repair/ overhaul their transmissions...nothing is free in this world.

I was just thinking the same thing as I was reading through this thread.

These autos might actually be the next best thing, performance and economy wise.

Generally though the more components used internally, and most of these internal parts come under "precision manufacturing" , the greater the repair cost when they eventually go bang.

[Blue Shadow]

Originally Posted by XByoot

And the owners of ten speeds will be bleating when they pay thousands to diagnose/ repair/ overhaul their transmissions...nothing is free in this world. Any idea how many clutch frictions are in them? I'd say 80 as a starting point...just shred one and see what it will cost,plus the dramas of what else gets stuffed up while the trans is getting pulled,like I say nothing is free,great tech and enjoy it while it's working!! But the warranty will take care of it...suuuure. Great if you buy the car and run it for a few years and flip it....
A coyote with another 50 cubes and a wider torque band would be more fun in my book. Now if they made a 20 speed trans that's a whole different story,it must be twice as good as the boring old 10 speed.

Couldn't have said it better

[GCRXR6]

Originally Posted by Blue Shadow

Yep, back in my day too, 4,5 or 6 gears in a car is enough. I remember when cars had 2

Memories of the famous hydromatic.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by QIKESP

I was just thinking the same thing as I was reading through this thread.

These autos might actually be the next best thing, performance and economy wise.

Generally though the more components used internally, and most of these internal parts come under "precision manufacturing" , the greater the repair cost when they eventually go bang.

The price does drop for repairs. Same as higher tech motors with more electronics. Or extra features people feel that they need.

At the end of the day car manufactures put stuff in cars that they feel will sell more units and meet government regulations.

If someone is worried about stuff like this then maybe buy an older car.

[Brodes]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

CVT's can't handle torque though. And they are rubbish anyway.

A CVT is theoretically the perfect transmission concept if they weren't so horrible to drive (in my opinion). A 10 speed is another step closer to a CVT really, so many gear changes the engine speed has a narrower operating range, would almost feel & sound like a CVT. This being the case shouldn't they be throwing money at improving CVT power handing capabilities?

[chevypower]

Most 6 speeds still have a big gap between 1st and 2nd. You know it when you're already rolling, need to accelerate fairly quickly, struggles a little in 2nd up the hill, kick the accelerator down a little harder and you're at 4,000rpm+ in first. 10 speed is going to perform wonders, we are going to wonder how we got by with just 4 gears a few years ago.