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Agree Philly, they need a two pronged strategy, one to address the declining sales , the other to address the production overcapacity.
Only if they address both well , will thing work out well. MMAL addressed the production overcapacity issue, but did nothing to reduce the declining sales. |
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the big problem is that they have no contingency plan if that doesn't happen. The terrible question is: "what if people just don't want Falcon any more, what do we do then?" We may not have to wait until 2015 to find out what happens next... |
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I'm not sure they have a choice, commercially they cant build a smaller car in that factory and make margin on it.
If the Falcon fails, Ford goes. Thats the brutal truth. (unless they build an export version of Territory that goes off like a frog in a sock) |
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I don't know why people are so worried. Its not like Ford have no upgrades coming. They just need to ride out the slump. When the new engines and upgrades start to lose appeal after time is when Ford will need to worry, unless they can do something with their marketing. |
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My pick that the wrong model would be the G6? Because I just don't see many of them at all. About 80% of FG that I see are XR6. About 5% are Turbo XR6T or G6ET. I still say 3.9% finance on those models on the grass should shift them quick.
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Its quite odd actually, if you look at the Ford NZ webiste (and I assume they are controlled via Ford OZ), they are offering 3.9% finance on certain vehicles. Which I guess having a base model Territory at $55000, your are going to need to offer something special. Regardless, I always hear them say that they are only making to order. In fact i remember seeing a few posts last year from people saying how much of a wait time they had for their new Falcon. Ford cant be saying they are only making to order, then have so many cars in stock, an dthen limiting production to get rid of stock. It just doesnt add up. |
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A lot of them are white. Probably base model Ute's and XT's or G6.
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![]() They were going to build Focus which i accept would have been stripped out to make money. I could see them doing Asia Pacific assembly of Mondeo, that should have a better return than Cruze and could be built with import parts to cut out the enormous wait time from Genk plant in Belgium. |
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But assuming a 7.9% finance cost to Ford. Not sure if that would be realistic or whatever. But Ford does access to internal line of credit to Ford (was discussed that much had been repaid in 2009 FY). 2nd assumption is a 3.9% finance deal. The difference is an ongoing funding of 4% by FoA. If the terms were set as zero money down, full payment (no balloon) commercial hire purchase agreement over a 4 year period the figures look very good. Essentially, the principal owing is reduced by 2.1% every month for 48mths. The cost to Ford drops from 0.33% the first month to 0.007% in the last month. The net cost to Ford is 8.17% of the principal. On a $36,990 XR6 the cost to Ford would be $3020. IMO Keeping them on the grass will cost 15%. Cheap finance is much better than slashing prices and destroying resale. A cheap price builds an expectation that another bargain will come along but the cheap finance will be long remembered and appreciated. The person will be most likely in a position to repeat in 4 years time if they wish. You only have to look at the seemingly successful Toyota Yaris and Corolla cheap finance was. They had it on targeted / specific trim levels and body styles. Most likely, the ones which hadn't been selling. Corolla had huge sales in Dec/Jan when the promo was on. Ford should, if they can, do this cheap finance. Advert: "Falcon, it's not just the award winning better car, it's the smarter choice with 3.9% finance."
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Last year's XR50 was to be a limited run but 90% of buyers were expecting them to be a "stock item". With that in mind, I suspect that Ford kept building regular stock to push into the dealerships but DPs revolted and refused to let Burela dump car on them that no one wanted, DPs wanted Anniversary XRs but Ford had none. A golden opportunity wasted. Last edited by jpd80; 10-03-2011 at 10:43 PM. |
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They normally use Mannheim auction grounds off the Geelong Freeway. And the figure seems to be 8000.
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That would be Prix Car's grounds, not Manheim auctions. http://www.prixcar.com.au/fac_vic.htm I believe that was a one off during the gfc in 2008 when they literally ran out of room at Elizabeth. Prix Car is now full of Jap and Euro imports. Not a Holden in sight. Quote:
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Whether it be cheap finance or cheaper cars, doesnt matter, somewhere along the lines, the manufacturer is paying for it. The difference is just how good you can sell it, and how well you can sucker in the buyer. Taking a quick look at Ford NZ prices (not including on road costs) and Ford Oz prices, there seems to be a much larger increase in NZ prices than can be explained by currency differences. This I assume Higher prices in NZ allow Ford to offer cheaper finance. Can also work the other way, if you have the cash (and dont need financing) and see the RRP price, you may think too overpriced and look elsewhere. Quote:
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The recent natural disasters would have done nothing to help the sales too much either. I know a few people up here in NQ that were looking at a new car, more than likely a Falcon or Commodore and are holding off at the moment until they get back on track after the cyclone and all the flooding we keep getting. I'd say it's not the only place to be like that
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I never found out if it was actually true. But during the GFC, I was told that Holden had leased a fair bit of land just North of Adelaide, which was on the transport corridor to Sydney / Brisbane. And they were storing quite alot of cars there at the time. The Holden Jan 23 pic looks like there are about 1300 cars there. Which is only just over a week of sales for commodore and ute. But i guess it would have been just after the xmas shutdown, so i guess they would have been aiming for zero stock Last edited by bobthebilda; 10-03-2011 at 11:15 PM. |
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i know one things for sure i hope Ford brings the XR8 out again because i want one now and am waiting for info to make a decision on what to buy and it's killing me |
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How could XR8 possibly boost sales? Maybe fifty new ones a month nation wide? Anyone with the coin to buy a new V8 is going to go for the bells and whistles,not `I need it to tow the boat` this type of `wheres the choice` thinking is a hangover from dropping the V8 in the 80`s and bringing it back as a niche powertrain for a minimalistic market dominated by sixes. The difference now is the dominant market is a four, and sixes are the niche powertrain. Especially four litres of it. The Falcons six is too big, thirsty and people are still looking at its capacity in litres when buying a car. Sure it goes good, looks good but its engine isnt going to be exploited to its potential on an epic cross country road trip when its cheaper to catch a plane. The rest(turbo/V8) are pretty much being belted(and confiscated hooning)around our sleepy suburbs.If you drive(or have driven) a FPV FG do you honestly believe them to be a real world daily driven car in any capital city flooded with revenue raising speed cameras in this country? Have you lost demerit points in it, or perhaps your licence? Because after driving the above mentioned cars I cannot for the life of me believe they can or would be driven`responsibly` If its being putted around at the speed limit, never to be given a squirt,then quite frankly, whats the point of all the fuel, insurance and finance? People with a family/small children simply do not need or want a 450 horsepower four door. Surely all the millions(40 I believe for Coyote) could have been better spent on reducing the capacity of FG powertrains without losing its 6 cylinder layout and therefore saving jobs whilst still manufacturing sixes in Geelong. The I4T may be a start, but traditional Falcon buyers may have been eased into a little engine by still having six under the bonnet.
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Yeah , the 8K is Holden stock. It includes Dealer stocks though. Its calculated from the difference between production rate and sales and is bascially the total number of unregistered cars around the country , the figures I've quoted though are for Sedan / SWB only so doesn't include Ute and LWB or Territory.
Eg Holden Build 2000 cars in a month and sell 1500 then the net stock position increases by 500. |
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The take rate when it arrives could be as high as 30% until things calm down... |
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