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4 months to go..............
4 months to go.............. 4 months to go.............. THEN NO MORE P-PLATES!!!!!!!! WOOHOO!!!!!!!
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Steffo I don't doubt what you say about people being idiots regardless of the car, however unless you can come with a way of legislating driver attitude the govt will have to stick to legislating the cars. Just because it is not a 100% effective solution - that doesn't exist - does that mean the govt should do nothing? Driver training and licensing standards is what they haven’t addressed yet.
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Having your licence means you can obey the road rules. It doesn't YET say you can drive. When the government starts to introduce compulsory advanced driver training (at a subsidised cost - perhaps they could use the speed camera revenue? nooo!) THEN we'll start to see some results. Until then they'll take the easy route and ban anyone under 30 getting in a car with more than 4 cylinders and 2 people. Its f*king ridiculous.
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i have never done it, and i doubt i ever will, personal experience is more then enough to keep me away
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also a truck is not a car! LOL therefore differant licence
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Don't get me wrong i couldn't give a stuff if they pass this law, its just a bit unfair on all the newby's comming through who now have to check this stupid bloody thing everytime they see a car they like. and if you don't have the net lol your screwed
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From a study conducted by the Uni of WA and printed in the Sunday Times in WA:
Young drivers are no more likely to have a fatal or serious crash in a powerful car than in other vehicles, research has revealed. The University of WA study-the first of it's type in the world-dismissed the myth that vehicle performance is a major cause of crashes for young, novice drivers. Road Safety Council chairman Grant Dorrington said the study showed that most fatal and serious crashes among drivers in their first two years of holding a license did not involve powerful vehicles. And reprt author Peter Palamara said less powerful, smaller & lighter cars could be more dangerous in crashes because they could offer less protection. "Smaller cars with low power-to-weight ratios can also offer very poor protection against injury because of their low vehicle mass" he said. "About 20-30% of risk of being killed in a crash can be attributed to vehicle mass - the greater the mass of the car, the greater chance of surviving the crash". He said that restricting young drivers from having more powerful cars could also deny them the safety of bigger cars. The UWA inquiry research centre study, commissioned by the safety council, called for the proposed restrictions on high powered vehicles for novice drivers to be dismissed. Victoria already has such restrictions and NSW likely to follow. But Mr Dorrington said the research centre recommended that the speeding behaviour of young novice drivers be targeted through changes to the licensing & penalty system, not through access to certain types of vehicles. He said it also reccommended that educational materials be developed and give to both novice drivers & parents highlighting safety features & the need for such drivers to use vehicles that provided them with greater safety & protection. The study examined 662 serious-injury crashes in 1999 & 2000 in WA, and drivers which had not crashed. The power to weight ratio of the crashed vehicles was calculated & compared with the power-to weight ratio of vehicles driven by novice drivers who did not crash in the same period. Only 3% of crashed vehicles had a power-to-weight ratio of more than 100kw a tonne. And only 2 vehicles had power-to-weight ratios above 125kw a tonne, which was the exclusion point under Victorian legislation. Mr Dorrington said the study highlighted speeding as a cause of most serious crashes involving novice drivers & it was common knowledge that speed was the cause of death in 33% of fatalities. But Mr Palamara said people did not have to drive powerful cars to speed. Mr Dorrington said young, inexperienced drivers aged 17-24 were grossly over-represented in the road statistics. They comprised 30% of all fatalities, even though they represented only 14% of WA licence holders. "Consequently, we beleive the proposals for novice drivers which are currently up for public discussion could save up to 28 young lives a year on WA roads". Those proposals revealed by the Sunday Times earlier this month included a night curfew & a total alcohol ban for young drivers.
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Well there you go can't argue facts.
good work on the research Fairmont99
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I could of have said that without research. But good on ya for diggin it up. Hats off to you. Should shut some people up. As ive said before high performance doesnt always just mean engine capabalities. It means better brakes, better suspension, etc Anyone whos been a good performance car can tell they handle way better and can stop quicker. POS slide out everywhere and lock up and have crazy body roll. I see way more crashes with POS car than high performance cars
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I may bruise a few teen egos with what I have said, tough, you guys seem to forget that full licensed drivers have all been through the process before you, many did stupid things just like we see done now, thing is most of us have learnt from them. There are better ways to learn than wrapping a car around a tree, or being in the right in an accident that could have been avoided, which actually puts you in the wrong. Take the advice people. |
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I reckon advanced driving training will only make idiots bigger idiots because they will delibrately get the car out of control thinkn they can control it. Of course its useful for the responsible drivers but i doubt they would typically find themselves in a situation where they would need it.
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red el xr8,
you got it all wrong there buddy, my way of driving is, cars on road = granny driving, road with no cars, no houses and clearly visable = fun driving. but im not going to bother argueing with you, your all the same. P plate means no experience to you guys
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Yes P Plate does meen bugger all experiance, thats a no-brainer, means same to the transport departments too. I dont care if your first drive was 3 years before childbirth at 19yo at best you've had 2 years exerience at gaining road skills, something you never stop learning. Don't care if it hurts your ego your stilla beginner with a capital B. |
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P Plate does mean no experience, you just proved it with that statement. Accidents dont need a second party to occur, they can happen when you are the only car on the road. Try losing a tyre at high speed one day on that quiet cleary visible road with no houses, and see how long you last. Try taking a corner too fast and having a caliper lock up while in the process of trying to slow down. How about a kangaroo bouncing their dumb giant rat *** onto the road when you are doing high speed. There is an endless list of things that can go wrong while you are having "fun" My only hope is you dont take out some witless passenger along with you upon your mystical journey to becomming a statistic. People dont go out today and say "Today im going to cause an accident" Accidents are accidental, they can happen anytime and anywhere. You will have an accident one day, and you will learn that the above is true, then perhaps you might have some experience. Until then, you are what I was at 19. Just another Teenage Expert in all things.
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you get your Ls at 16 (isn't it like 15 and something in SA?) Not to be picky or anything :voldar02:
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Thankfully mine only involved my pride and joy be dragged away on a flat top. I went to 3 funerals that year, but then i guess I'm not qualified to know what I'm talking about. Me and everyone else that is trying to warn you that FUN can very quickly get way out of hand. |
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[QUOTE=sourbastard] Accidents dont need a second party to occur, they can happen when you are the only car on the road. Try losing a tyre at high speed one day on that quiet cleary visible road with no houses, and see how long you last. Try taking a corner too fast and having a caliper lock up while in the process of trying to slow down. How about a kangaroo bouncing their dumb giant rat *** onto the road when you are doing high speed. There is an endless list of things that can go wrong while you are having "fun"
[QUOTE] what you just said could happen to anyone, no matter how experienced they are...whats your point, i would have thought everyone would know that!
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I think it's annoying that it's all about you have no experience but instead of being willing to teach they try and find a scape goat to win over votes and or revenue. Oh and just a real life observation that I have made driving daily over a 1 lane bridge with a giveway sign at one end. Mums in 4WDs, tradies and Telstra vans all completely ignore it on a regular basis ![]()
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You my poor boy, are just a 19 year old jackass on his way to becoming a temporary stain on a Highway. I can tell you easily how accidents are caused. Its caused by human error. Your parents should be able to relate.
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