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did the bel air even have an engine in it?
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Rear ender. The car was driveable enough to get it off the road.
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I spent years in the SES attending and cutting people out of crashes. One night I attended a head-on at 100kph between an XE and a VN. The VN went throught the XE like it was made of tinfoil. Surprised the crap out of me.
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ramming 2 cars together only proves that at that angle, at that speed and under those conditions a possible real world result might happain if those two cars were to meet. it doesnt prove that new cars are stronger than old cars, far from it. in any case the belair's cabin although distorted was more or less intact, the fact they chose not to put a seatbelt on the dummy was the main cause of it looking so dramatic. its more an advertisement for seatbelts than anything. personal experience tells me that the specific attributes of each car have far more to do with accident outcomes than how old they are. a family member rear ended a torana in an EL falcon. the EL came off with barely a scratch and the torana had a severely bent bumper and a crumpled quarter panel which effectively wrote it off. By the same token I had a mercedes CL180 rear end me in my P6 and I had to drive him to hospital because the mercedes was so badly damaged. my car's chrome bumper didnt even have a scratch on it, although the fibreglass corner piece was destroyed. overall the video wasnt that spectacular, lets crash a hummer into a mini, followed by a '59 tank fairlane into an echo... doesnt prove anything but would be fun to watch!
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Amazing what crumple zones and impact bracing can do, something the 59 probably didn't have any of.
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many years ago they began marketing a thing called "side intrusion bars" or some such thing, what it was was a length of "I" beam type stuff through the doors from front to back, with the manufacturer stating that it reduces cabin intrusion in a side on collision, and will strengthen the cabin in a frontender rearender from squashing front to rear - from memory this was in the early 90's, and at that time I was being fairly fullon with an XC GS rebuild, and spotted similar looking beams through the doors! from that day I became highly skeptical of what they marketed to me in terms of automotive safety.
For the record the beam inside the door was there in the first place for what appeared to be bracing for the door itself, and the door wouldn't exist at all without it as it wouldn't have the strength to.
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if you test two cars, one with a seatbelt, one without, the result is very predictable. it doesnt really tell you anything we didnt already know. as I said, the video shows the dangers of not wearing a seatbelt more than anything.
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it doesn't appear to does it? You're not the first one to doubt this if you look it up a bit. would make a MASSIVE difference if not present. of course the newer car would be safer but with an engine and transmission missing ....
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Has the 2nd video been posted? The Belair's dash and steering wheel headbutts the driver, seatbelt or not he aint leaving that car with a pulse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d309QCuve7c&feature If you think how far a dash has to come back to hit you in the head, imagine where the driver's floorpan and firewall is, probably about where your thighs are.
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I don't see how a big block v8 and gearbox just crumple into nothing in the belair though... looks a bit suss.
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Even the standard crash test speed was raised from 56 to 64km/h in recent years - cars that did ok with the earlier one would be horrible with the higher speed one. There a quite a few crash tests between different types of vehicles done by the Fifth Gear tv show that are worth looking at. mrbaxr6t - the XA & XB doors didn't have intrusion bars. I've seen them on some new car ads also, quite strange really when they have been in cars in this country for 30 years - simply Australia has been ahead of other places in some areas. XR6 Martin - even with a lap-sash seatbelt you can hit the dash/steering wheel with your head, passenger included. I remember crash test pics from EB/ED era where this was clearly shown (they paint the dash or similar, then marks show on the dummy's heads). |
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I'd like to see an FG go head to head with a VE. |
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Even keener to see some of the Soft Roaders and 4WDs crashed into 5 Star sedans. |
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All this and more will be in the secret appendix of your owners manual in the section "Correct operation of this vehicle on roads". There used to be a section titled "Correct operation of this vehicle off road" but it was deleted when is was found to be as useful as the "Correct operation of this vehicle on the moon" section as no one actually went there either. ![]() |
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edit - and relevance to this thread is that we looked at other options and went Lexus for the luxoness and 5 Star rating. |
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man! that was a nice bel air! always brings a tear to my eye when i see these videos..
never the less i'd much rather drive a modern car daily then practically anything pre 1990. 70s and earlier were death traps. Ever seen what the steering columns can do to you in a head on? Impalement isnt pretty..
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Yeah but, yeah but, yeah but, I just wanna see the crash. Don't care about the brand. ![]() Hypothetical, would Henry Gibson drive a soft roader or four wheeler if he was still alive in the Illinois Nazi chapter? |
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