Three Aussie cars ruled out of award..... - Page 2

BaraFGXR6 · 25-10-2012, 05:24 PM

Hardly ever buy wheels anymore.

Their comments are so biased and out of sync with other car mags i wonder what actually goes through their head when things go to print.

Few years ago every single one of them got wood for anything release from Holden.

Nowa days it seems to be VW taking the fair...

MOTOR is a much better mag and i couldnt care less which award they gave the car to.

Nikked · 25-10-2012, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugg

At least Holden see electric/hybrids on the horizon and are doing something about it.

Sorry to say it but Ford has it's head in the sand on electric cars in Aus.

No electric or Hybrid plans deserve a slap on the wrist.

Yes, because people want to spend 60 grand on a small car...

**Silver Ghia** · 25-10-2012, 05:37 PM

Here's a list of Wheels COTYs so far. Interesting that the P76 V8 won the award, not the P76 model. Some very ordinary vehicles in the list, some seem not to be any better than their predecessor (such as VE Valiant):

1963 Renault 8
1964 Morris 1100
1965 Ford Falcon (XP)
1966 Ford Falcon (XR)
1967 Chrysler Valiant (VE)
1968 Holden Monaro (HK)
1969 Holden Torana (LC)
1970 Renault 12
1971 Chrysler Valiant Charger (VH)
1972 Award withheld
1973 Leyland P76 V8
1974 Volkswagen Passat
1975 Holden Gemini (TX)
1976 Volkswagen Golf
1977 Honda Accord
1978 Holden Commodore (VB)
1979 Award withheld
1980 Mazda 323
1981 Mercedes-Benz 380SE (W126)
1982 Holden Camira (JB)
1983 Ford Telstar and Mazda 626 (joint award)
1984 Mitsubishi Nimbus
1985 Mitsubishi Magna (TM)
1986 Award withheld
1987 Honda Prelude
1988 Holden Commodore (VN)
1989 Mazda MX-5 (NA)
1990 Lexus LS 400
1991 Honda NSX and Nissan Pulsar (N14)
1992 Mazda 626 and Ford Telstar
1993 Holden Commodore (VR)
1994 Subaru Liberty
1995 Honda Odyssey
1996 Mitsubishi Magna/Verada (TE/KE)
1997 Holden Commodore (VT)
1998 Subaru Liberty Wagon
1999 Mercedes-Benz S-Class
2000 Subaru Impreza
2001 Holden Barina (XC)
2002 Ford Falcon (BA)
2003 Mazda RX-8
2004 Ford Territory (SX)
2005 Mazda MX-5 (NC)
2006 Holden Commodore (VE)
2007 Mercedes-Benz C-Class
2008 Honda Accord Euro
2009 Volkswagen Golf
2010 Volkswagen Polo
2011 Honda CR-Z

GTP534 · 25-10-2012, 05:38 PM

I don't think a manual will win; JT has trouble changing gears!

JC · 25-10-2012, 05:39 PM

Toyota 86 FTW then????

flooded one · 25-10-2012, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silver Ghia

Here's a list of Wheels COTYs so far. Interesting that the P76 V8 won the award, not the P76 model. Some very ordinary vehicles in the list, some seem not to be any better than their predecessor (such as VE Valiant):

1963 Renault 8
1964 Morris 1100
1965 Ford Falcon (XP)
1966 Ford Falcon (XR)
1967 Chrysler Valiant (VE)
1968 Holden Monaro (HK)
1969 Holden Torana (LC)
1970 Renault 12
1971 Chrysler Valiant Charger (VH)
1972 Award withheld
1973 Leyland P76 V8
1974 Volkswagen Passat
1975 Holden Gemini (TX)
1976 Volkswagen Golf
1977 Honda Accord
1978 Holden Commodore (VB)
1979 Award withheld
1980 Mazda 323
1981 Mercedes-Benz 380SE (W126)
1982 Holden Camira (JB)
1983 Ford Telstar and Mazda 626 (joint award)
1984 Mitsubishi Nimbus
1985 Mitsubishi Magna (TM)
1986 Award withheld
1987 Honda Prelude
1988 Holden Commodore (VN)
1989 Mazda MX-5 (NA)
1990 Lexus LS 400
1991 Honda NSX and Nissan Pulsar (N14)
1992 Mazda 626 and Ford Telstar
1993 Holden Commodore (VR)
1994 Subaru Liberty
1995 Honda Odyssey
1996 Mitsubishi Magna/Verada (TE/KE)
1997 Holden Commodore (VT)
1998 Subaru Liberty Wagon
1999 Mercedes-Benz S-Class
2000 Subaru Impreza
2001 Holden Barina (XC)
2002 Ford Falcon (BA)
2003 Mazda RX-8
2004 Ford Territory (SX)
2005 Mazda MX-5 (NC)
2006 Holden Commodore (VE)
2007 Mercedes-Benz C-Class
2008 Honda Accord Euro
2009 Volkswagen Golf
2010 Volkswagen Polo
2011 Honda CR-Z

my theroy

1972 XA Falcon
1979 XD Falcon
1986 some car that was better then the VL commodore

FGII-XR6 · 25-10-2012, 06:05 PM

maybe because most Australians want a real car that runs on petrol or diesel not some pretend warm and fuzzy tree hugging over priced white elephant

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugg

My point exactly...why aren't Ford Aus in the race with toyota, Nissan,Holden Honda and Mitsubishi to get at least some market share and presence?

They might be in for a surprise....

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Fiesta_Man69 · 25-10-2012, 06:21 PM

Wheels and Motor are both as biased, useless and inferior as each other. European mags are so much better, and include testers who are real drivers (ex F1, le mans, sportscars etc) articles, feedback so much better.... And relevant to real car enthusiasts...

The Volt will win this year, the VF next year. I think the TABs taking $1.01 on this...

T3man · 25-10-2012, 06:31 PM

Wheels? Is it still going - WTF reads it these days?

Fiesta_Man69 · 25-10-2012, 06:41 PM

Of course the EB was disqualified. You can't have a Ford win the award these days: not with all of Holdens advertising dollars spent in the Wheels/Motor mag...

2011G6E · 25-10-2012, 10:59 PM

I remember the 1979 Wheels mag with the lemon on the front with a set of wheels under it. In fact I still have it somewhere.
The Lexus in 1990 winning the COTY was a shock to many people...not only "just a Toyota" won it, but one worth a hundred grand won it. Wheels countered, quite rightly, but saying it's a prize for the best, not the cheapest, and at the time the Lexus sedan was staggeringly good value and an amazingly built car. You can pick them up for a song now.

I'm surprised the EcoBoost isn't seen as "different enough" from anything else in Fords lineup to be considered. I mean, most of the mags usually fall about in orgasmic fits whenever Ford or Holden slap a few extra stickers on a Commodore or Falcon and call it some special name or "limited edition" when it's the same old same old in a new dress.

Buntz · 26-10-2012, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silver Ghia

Here's a list of Wheels COTYs so far. Interesting that the P76 V8 won the award, not the P76 model. Some very ordinary vehicles in the list, some seem not to be any better than their predecessor (such as VE Valiant):

1963 Renault 8
1964 Morris 1100
1965 Ford Falcon (XP)
1966 Ford Falcon (XR)
1967 Chrysler Valiant (VE)
1968 Holden Monaro (HK)
1969 Holden Torana (LC)
1970 Renault 12
1971 Chrysler Valiant Charger (VH)
1972 Award withheld
1973 Leyland P76 V8
1974 Volkswagen Passat
1975 Holden Gemini (TX)
1976 Volkswagen Golf
1977 Honda Accord
1978 Holden Commodore (VB)
1979 Award withheld
1980 Mazda 323
1981 Mercedes-Benz 380SE (W126)
1982 Holden Camira (JB)
1983 Ford Telstar and Mazda 626 (joint award)
1984 Mitsubishi Nimbus
1985 Mitsubishi Magna (TM)
1986 Award withheld
1987 Honda Prelude
1988 Holden Commodore (VN)
1989 Mazda MX-5 (NA)
1990 Lexus LS 400
1991 Honda NSX and Nissan Pulsar (N14)
1992 Mazda 626 and Ford Telstar
1993 Holden Commodore (VR)
1994 Subaru Liberty
1995 Honda Odyssey
1996 Mitsubishi Magna/Verada (TE/KE)
1997 Holden Commodore (VT)
1998 Subaru Liberty Wagon
1999 Mercedes-Benz S-Class
2000 Subaru Impreza
2001 Holden Barina (XC)
2002 Ford Falcon (BA)
2003 Mazda RX-8
2004 Ford Territory (SX)
2005 Mazda MX-5 (NC)
2006 Holden Commodore (VE)
2007 Mercedes-Benz C-Class
2008 Honda Accord Euro
2009 Volkswagen Golf
2010 Volkswagen Polo
2011 Honda CR-Z

So any car labelled 'Holden Commodore' is sure to get lots of points just for that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wretched

It was only a relevant and worthy award in 2002 and 2004

hooo hooo... oh you .

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugg

At least Holden see electric/hybrids on the horizon and are doing something about it.

Sorry to say it but Ford has it's head in the sand on electric cars in Aus.

No electric or Hybrid plans deserve a slap on the wrist.

Holden? Last I checked the Volt was a Chevrolet... of GM. And I'm pretty sure they are selling them here because the parent company is having trouble moving them in the US and Europe to make it worth the outlay to design and build the thing. Not that Holden has some desire to take top spot in the Hybrid/Green car competition.

Hemihunter · 26-10-2012, 03:21 PM

Wheels LOL.... Ive read wheels 3 times in my life, and rushed out and purchased there award winner in , 1972,1979,1986. Great cars....

1963 Renault 8
1964 Morris 1100
1965 Ford Falcon (XP)
1966 Ford Falcon (XR)
1967 Chrysler Valiant (VE)
1968 Holden Monaro (HK)
1969 Holden Torana (LC)
1970 Renault 12
1971 Chrysler Valiant Charger (VH)
1972 Award withheld
1973 Leyland P76 V8
1974 Volkswagen Passat
1975 Holden Gemini (TX)
1976 Volkswagen Golf
1977 Honda Accord
1978 Holden Commodore (VB)
1979 Award withheld
1980 Mazda 323
1981 Mercedes-Benz 380SE (W126)
1982 Holden Camira (JB)
1983 Ford Telstar and Mazda 626 (joint award)
1984 Mitsubishi Nimbus
1985 Mitsubishi Magna (TM)
1986 Award withheld
1987 Honda Prelude
1988 Holden Commodore (VN)
1989 Mazda MX-5 (NA)
1990 Lexus LS 400
1991 Honda NSX and Nissan Pulsar (N14)
1992 Mazda 626 and Ford Telstar
1993 Holden Commodore (VR)
1994 Subaru Liberty
1995 Honda Odyssey
1996 Mitsubishi Magna/Verada (TE/KE)
1997 Holden Commodore (VT)
1998 Subaru Liberty Wagon
1999 Mercedes-Benz S-Class
2000 Subaru Impreza
2001 Holden Barina (XC)
2002 Ford Falcon (BA)
2003 Mazda RX-8
2004 Ford Territory (SX)
2005 Mazda MX-5 (NC)
2006 Holden Commodore (VE)
2007 Mercedes-Benz C-Class
2008 Honda Accord Euro
2009 Volkswagen Golf
2010 Volkswagen Polo
2011 Honda CR-Z

zilo · 26-10-2012, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flappist

Electric, LPG and E85 are the "Vodafone" of Australian fuels.
Yes they are cheaper and have some fanatical supporters but not so good if you do not live in a major city or along an arterial highway.......

Hmmm...me thinks 90% of aussies do live in a major city or near an arterial highway....maybe you need to move the goal posts a bit more....

Quote:

Originally Posted by flappist

Until you can travel 1000km at highway speed in any direction with a full load and then recharge in under an hour the only people who will buy electric cars in Australia, including Teslas are the inner city trendies......

In this community it's justifiable to be denouncing electrics/hybrids.

Cause Ford Aus doesn't sell any.....

aussie muscle · 26-10-2012, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by au3xr6

so it should be new model of the year not car of the year as many new inovations are left out because of the model lifecycle, this is not representative of all available cars just newly released cars.
as stated above there have been some lemons awarded wheels "COTY"
Leyland P76, Holden Camira, Mitsubishi Nimbus and Honda Odyssey

Not a good track record.

Wretched · 26-10-2012, 05:25 PM

may be you guys should release your own magazine and award.
"Falcon Monthly" where every review the Falcon wins and every COTY is a Falcon

That way you can't complain, you get the winner you want all the time no matter the circumstance. No "biased" journos either.

tranquilized · 26-10-2012, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hemihunter

Wheels LOL.... Ive read wheels 3 times in my life, and rushed out and purchased there award winner in , 1972,1979,1986. Great cars....

1963 Renault 8
1964 Morris 1100
1965 Ford Falcon (XP)
1966 Ford Falcon (XR)
1967 Chrysler Valiant (VE)
1968 Holden Monaro (HK)
1969 Holden Torana (LC)
1970 Renault 12
1971 Chrysler Valiant Charger (VH)
1972 Award withheld
1973 Leyland P76 V8
1974 Volkswagen Passat
1975 Holden Gemini (TX)
1976 Volkswagen Golf
1977 Honda Accord
1978 Holden Commodore (VB)
1979 Award withheld
1980 Mazda 323
1981 Mercedes-Benz 380SE (W126)
1982 Holden Camira (JB)
1983 Ford Telstar and Mazda 626 (joint award)
1984 Mitsubishi Nimbus
1985 Mitsubishi Magna (TM)
1986 Award withheld
1987 Honda Prelude
1988 Holden Commodore (VN)
1989 Mazda MX-5 (NA)
1990 Lexus LS 400
1991 Honda NSX and Nissan Pulsar (N14)
1992 Mazda 626 and Ford Telstar
1993 Holden Commodore (VR)
1994 Subaru Liberty
1995 Honda Odyssey
1996 Mitsubishi Magna/Verada (TE/KE)
1997 Holden Commodore (VT)
1998 Subaru Liberty Wagon
1999 Mercedes-Benz S-Class
2000 Subaru Impreza
2001 Holden Barina (XC)
2002 Ford Falcon (BA)
2003 Mazda RX-8
2004 Ford Territory (SX)
2005 Mazda MX-5 (NC)
2006 Holden Commodore (VE)
2007 Mercedes-Benz C-Class
2008 Honda Accord Euro
2009 Volkswagen Golf
2010 Volkswagen Polo
2011 Honda CR-Z

I'm not sure what the point your trying to make is.

At least back in those days when Peter Robinson was running the show, they had the backbone to withold the award regardless of the potential fallout from advertisers. They've since "rectified" that loop hole and now the award must be given every year, regardless of how mediocre that years releases might have been.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugg

Hmmm...me thinks 90% of aussies do live in a major city or near an arterial highway....maybe you need to move the goal posts a bit more....

Exactly! All this talk from the country guys about how electric cars are useless because it doesn't suit their circumstances - more than half of Australia's population live in Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane. More than enough of a market to justify these limited range cars existence. Actually its a good situation that should allow this country to adopt electric cars while they're still in their infancy, which will lead to them being suitable for the country folk also. Petrol cars were criticised for exactly the same reasons about 100 years ago don’t forget!

flooded one · 26-10-2012, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranquilized

I'm not sure what the point your trying to make is.

At least back in those days when Peter Robinson was running the show, they had the backbone to withold the award regardless of the potential fallout from advertisers. They've since "rectified" that loop hole and now the award must be given every year, regardless of how mediocre that years releases might have been.

Exactly! All this talk from the country guys about how electric cars are useless because it doesn't suit their circumstances - more than half of Australia's population live in Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane. More than enough of a market to justify these limited range cars existence. Actually its a good situation that should allow this country to adopt electric cars while they're still in their infancy, which will lead to them being suitable for the country folk also. Petrol cars were criticised for exactly the same reasons about 100 years ago don’t forget!

might be a while before i buy an electric car thou. I venture out into western queensland every now and again and if i run out electricity?? i can't see the RACQ coming out with a power outlet for me too recharge it

FGII-XR6 · 26-10-2012, 06:15 PM

you seem to be missing the point ( or ignoring it ) it is not if the falcon wins or not that is the issue. ford have come up with a great new combination in the EB and to exclude such a well engineered car shows how flawed the award really is. to be a true COTY it should include all cars currently available in the new market

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wretched

may be you guys should release your own magazine and award.
"Falcon Monthly" where every review the Falcon wins and every COTY is a Falcon

That way you can't complain, you get the winner you want all the time no matter the circumstance. No "biased" journos either.

flappist · 26-10-2012, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranquilized

Exactly! All this talk from the country guys about how electric cars are useless because it doesn't suit their circumstances - more than half of Australia's population live in Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane. More than enough of a market to justify these limited range cars existence. Actually its a good situation that should allow this country to adopt electric cars while they're still in their infancy, which will lead to them being suitable for the country folk also. Petrol cars were criticised for exactly the same reasons about 100 years ago don’t forget!

You mean those places with all the trains and busses?

If short range cheap vehicles are so perfectly suitable in these cities why are they not full of smart cars and other tiny bubbles rather than 4WDs, Aurion/Camry and V8s?

zilo · 26-10-2012, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flappist

You mean those places with all the trains and busses?

If short range cheap vehicles are so perfectly suitable in these cities why are they not full of smart cars and other tiny bubbles rather than 4WDs, Aurion/Camry and V8s?

Might pay you to go to a large city once in a while, cause there are plenty of small cars in Melb,Sydney etc...in fact the take up is so big that hardly anyone is buying a big aussie v6/v8....the Mazda 3 is selling by the shipload.

Even Ford are ignoring large cars...sad but true....

**Luke Plaizier** · 26-10-2012, 07:41 PM

Wheels. A foreign owned magazine that seems to be just reporting on foreign cars.

Wheels COTY needs to be renamed "Wheels Base Model of the Year" - as cars with large model ranges are heavily disadvantaged.

To stem the hemorrage, they need to make exceptions to their 'rules' for locally made cars when it comes to these tests. Otherwise they are as relevant to Australia as "Top Gear UK" or "Car and Driver". And given I have no parochial reason to buy either Motor or Wheels anymore, they are going to have to compete for my money on equal terms with foreign magazines, who provide more timely coverage and reviews of the same foreign product that Wheels covers on release, and in most cases just plain write it up in a way that entertains me more.

Oh, and there aren't nearly as many repetitive stories on Porsche either. In fact, Wheels has earned the acronym JABPR round these parts. Just Another Bloody Porsche Review.

Lukeyson

bingoTE50 · 26-10-2012, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugg

Might pay you to go to a large city once in a while, cause there are plenty of small cars in Melb,Sydney etc...in fact the take up is so big that hardly anyone is buying a big aussie v6/v8....the Mazda 3 is selling by the shipload.

Even Ford are ignoring large cars...sad but true....

A Mazda 3 is the EH holden of yesteryear in size , they are actually quite large inside. Small cars are Suzuki Alto , Nissan Micra etc . Even they are not Mini like in overall size.
I am seeing more of the Alto ,Micra ,I20 in my travels in Brisbane.

flappist · 26-10-2012, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugg

Might pay you to go to a large city once in a while, cause there are plenty of small cars in Melb,Sydney etc...in fact the take up is so big that hardly anyone is buying a big aussie v6/v8....the Mazda 3 is selling by the shipload.

Even Ford are ignoring large cars...sad but true....

Yeh haven't been to one since ummm, today........

Buntz · 27-10-2012, 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wretched

may be you guys should release your own magazine and award.
"Falcon Monthly" where every review the Falcon wins and every COTY is a Falcon

That way you can't complain, you get the winner you want all the time no matter the circumstance. No "biased" journos either.

I really don't know what you expect in a Ford enthusiasts forum based in Australia? Porsche worship?

Nah....

Ford_The_Win · 27-10-2012, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flappist

You mean those places with all the trains and busses?

If short range cheap vehicles are so perfectly suitable in these cities why are they not full of smart cars and other tiny bubbles rather than 4WDs, Aurion/Camry and V8s?

They are! The only Falcons and Aurions I see getting around Melbourne are those in taxi livery. In the outer burbs there might be a few bogans getting around in big V8s or 4WDs but not in town that's for sure.

tezxr8man · 27-10-2012, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugg

At least Holden see electric/hybrids on the horizon and are doing something about it.

Sorry to say it but Ford has it's head in the sand on electric cars in Aus.

No electric or Hybrid plans deserve a slap on the wrist.

Electric yeah, Hybrid hell no, they are a stop gap technoligy, and are worse for the environment than regular petrol cars, so they are useless

2011G6E · 27-10-2012, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flappist

You mean those places with all the trains and busses?

If short range cheap vehicles are so perfectly suitable in these cities why are they not full of smart cars and other tiny bubbles rather than 4WDs, Aurion/Camry and V8s?

Touché, good sir...

We are constantly told how evil we are because we don't embrace hybrids and electrics and just pay whatever is asked...which neatly avoids the question of what the rest of us without easy access to public transport are supposed to do to get around. You can't ignore the needs or scoff at people who don't happen to live in Melbourne/Sydney/Brisbane...

Yes, a lot of people live in the cities...but a lot of people don't. I don't want to have to be thought of as a second class (motoring) citizen because I want the luxury of just jumping in the car and driving where I like when I like, without having to consider whether it's fully charged, where I can recharge it at the other end, will it reach there on a charge, how much weight am I loading it up with, etc.

Gaz · 27-10-2012, 10:16 AM

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while a supercar from McLaren and a luxury model from Bentley were also ruled out as sales did not reach the required level.

Those still in contention include Holden's Volt electric/petrol model

How many volts have been sold??

flappist · 27-10-2012, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

How many volts have been sold??

While they have the potential to sell currently sales lag. Perhaps amping up the reactive marketing will overcome any resistance and induce lead into the sales capacity........