Windsor vs Cleveland vs Boss

[Perana]

I think it was something to do with the rules as to having to run what was from factory... XE was allowed to run an alloy manifold though to achieve better parity between the makes.

[Gammaboy]

Originally Posted by 8pAc

I own a 5.0L windsor putting out 240-250 kw and it sounds like a little wussy aszed fluffly puupy when compared to a cleveland.

To drag up a classic quote from a classic thread...
http://fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=5210

Originally Posted by MRJUCY

Simple give the car a rev & have a listen a windsor makes a sort of wheezey drone similar to an angry Hugh Grant whena Clevo will sound like Satan has woke up with a hangover & realised he is out of coffee & cigarettes

Group C cars had to run the stock iron manifold untill XE period.... I believe the Group C club has set the rules up to allow period aftermarket intakes.

Never heard of a PH3 with an alloy intake, they're just not a Boss351

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by xbgs351

I have seen XA and XE Group C's with alloy manifolds, so I assumed they all ran them.

Its a fiddly one actually, the alloy buddybar dual plane was used from 71 onwards on some cars "in the know" painted blue to look like it was steel, and being the same shape as the cast one it got through (mostly), from XA onwards it depended on what you got away with. The XD went to 2V heads so they used the cast iron on the XD..
The taller single plane alloy manifold was only used on the XE.

[J.C.]

Originally Posted by 70caprigt3k

Go the little wheezer, Plenty of aftermarket support, good all round motor that can be a subtle little runabout or a raging monster. But im pretty biased.

Can't argue with that statement. Hence, it gets my vote. Forty years powering Fords should mean something....... Nothing wrong with the others that have been mentioned though.

[Qwikcorty]

cleveland, they will never die, they only get faster and faster

[MRJUCY]

Even tho I drive a wheezer for now I'll always love Clevo above all.

[Falcon Coupe]

I voted Cleveland..suprise, suprise.

An example of my reasons Here:

Clevo sound

Boss 5.4

Windsor

LS1 just for comparison

All taken from this thread: http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=62152



Edit, a Clevo wth pipes off really is music:
http://users.on.net/~brenx/video/11_07.mpg




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[Gammaboy]

I guess we can close the thread now

[b2tf]

Obviously Im a bit partial to the windsor, but a cleveland demands respect in any circumstance.

For a modern engine, BOSS sounds good but personally I like the sound of my ute over a GT etc, personal opinion really.

[CATFORD]

Ummm....they all have there good points....you cant beat BIG BLOCKS.....as for Clevo v's Windsor small blocks....sorry CLEVO boys...they died along time ago....for one reason or another....the WINDSOR mind you is still getting made today....from V8 SUPERCARS to NASCAR....the WINDSOR is a champion and only stubborn CLEVO supporters will disagree...as for the BOSS 260/290...it should have stayed in a truck.....thats what it was designed for and thats where it should have stayed....WELL there all Fords...and they all make that great sound and good grunt with a bit of cash thrown at them..... : "BRING IT ON HOLDEN"

[ratter]

Originally Posted by CATFORD

...as for the BOSS 260/290...it should have stayed in a truck.....thats what it was designed for and thats where it should have stayed...."

yeah I guess my 11.7 unopened boss proves that they are no good in passenger cars :

[Gammaboy]

Originally Posted by ratter

yeah I guess my 11.7 unopened boss proves that they are no good in passenger cars :

Anyone run that with an unopened windsor?

[montyv8]

I wonder how much faster all those 'unopened bosses' would go if they were 'opened'
I've got a ute in the back yard with an unopened 302c, its the fastest unopened 302c in my street ;)

oh as for the poll, Cleveland for me ;)

[SVT8]

gona have to go windsor's on this one. My old man has a clevo and i got a windsor, he likes the clevlands and i like the windsors. Its just personal taste really. Imagine a boss, windsor and clevland engine combined!!!!!! it would be a BLEVSOR or a WINDOSSLAND :

[CATFORD]

"yeah I guess my 11.7 unopened boss proves that they are no good in passenger cars"....good on ya 11.7 sec car....how does it go around corners with 7 tonne of engine sitting over the front wheels....I never said that the engine didnt make reasonable horsepower...they are just way to heavy for the our sort of cars....they where made for an F-150 TRUCK not a BA-BF FALCON in Australia....and are a band-aid engine for ford here....lets see how long they stick around...not as long as the WINDSOR or for that matter the CLEVO...let me point out that I'm not knocking the engine at all...I'm knocking Ford Australia's intention for it. That's all!!!

[Gammaboy]

Originally Posted by CATFORD

"yeah I guess my 11.7 unopened boss proves that they are no good in passenger cars"....good on ya 11.7 sec car....how does it go around corners with 7 tonne of engine sitting over the front wheels....I never said that the engine didnt make reasonable horsepower...they are just way to heavy for the our sort of cars....they where made for an F-150 TRUCK not a BA-BF FALCON in Australia....and are a band-aid engine for ford here....lets see how long they stick around...not as long as the WINDSOR or for that matter the CLEVO...let me point out that I'm not knocking the engine at all...I'm knocking Ford Australia's intention for it. That's all!!!

All i'm hearing is wah wah wah my car sounds like Hugh grant.

[Falcon Coupe]

Originally Posted by crazy-au

Windsor vs Cleveland vs Boss

Just wondering out of the above three you prefer, and the reasons why you prefer them.

It can be for price, myths, where there from, how it flows of your tongue any reason. I just want to know what you prefer and why you prefer it.

Cheers, Matt :evil3:

Just to refresh 1st post, it askes to point out what we like, not put down what we don't, the thread will be closed if it turns into a ****ing contest.
If you like something show us why, pics/vids etc.....

[ratter]

[QUOTE=CATFORD....good on ya 11.7 sec car....how does it go around corners with 7 tonne of engine sitting over the front wheels....!!![/QUOTE]
I thought we were talking about engines here????

but since your asking, My car handles corners extremely well at all legal speeds, and I was impressed with it on my complementry track day supplied by FPV. I'm pretty sure it would handle as well if not better than any of it's falcon predocessors. I admit a 6 cyl turbo may be a better track handling car because of it's less weight over the front wheels, but it's not on the option list of the poll here, but again we got off topic.

I'm sure RaceGT or Jabba or any others that use their Boss falcons on the track are happy with their choice of cars and engines

[BJ]

Come on kids. Why the hell would you want to drink milk when you can have scotch. Clevo for me and you can stick the rest. I have never heard anything that sound's better than a 4V clevo at full noise.

[nugget378]

Originally Posted by CATFORD

.the WINDSOR mind you is still getting made today....from V8 SUPERCARS to NASCAR.

Have a look at the specs of your windsor nascar or V8 supercar, quite a bit of CLEVELAND in it, from mains size to deck height on some, and the most important part of the engine,
the cylinder head,is CLEVELAND..._2:

[Barry_v]

I picked windsor, but only in 351 form! ive got both a 351c and a 351w and theres not much between them. both great little engines. they're cheap, easy to get power out of and sound awesome! all you could want for a tough streeter.

PS
waiting for a fist fight 'my boss is more unopened than yours'.

[gs1973]

Go the clevo...There aint nothin' more angry sounding than a Clevo at full noise! Boss 260/290's are good for the modern stuff..Windsors are a good stop gap till you get a real engine! :

[CATFORD]

Originally Posted by CATFORD

WELL there all Fords...and they all make that great sound and good grunt with a bit of cash thrown at them..... : "BRING IT ON HOLDEN"

Like I said there all Fords...anyway whats wrong with Hugh Grant....? :

[gs1973]

Originally Posted by CATFORD

Like I said there all Fords...anyway whats wrong with Hugh Grant....? :

He's a whining pommy Git.. :gren:

[Psycho Chicken]

Originally Posted by Barry_v

PS
waiting for a fist fight 'my boss is more unopened than yours'.

My wheezer is more unopened than yours.

[nugget378]

Originally Posted by CATFORD

Like I said there all Fords...anyway whats wrong with Hugh Grant....? :

Nothing,except he's probly boy george and Julian Clary's love child....

[CATFORD]

Originally Posted by nugget378

Have a look at the specs of your windsor nascar or V8 supercar, quite a bit of CLEVELAND in it, from mains size to deck height on some, and the most important part of the engine,
the cylinder head,is CLEVELAND..._2:

Good point....but I would hope so though....why not take the good points from both and turn them into what we have today...but the CLEVO is no longer....does anyone know exactly whay they stopped production??? Maybe it was the work???

[Perana]

They don't make wheezer's anymore either

[gs1973]

Ok I feel bad..Windsors are ok but they hold the dishonourable title of the first falcon V8 to have it's **** handed to it by a six cylinder Falcon... :

[Gammaboy]

Originally Posted by gs1973

Ok I feel bad..Windsors are ok but they hold the dishonourable title of the first falcon V8 to have it's **** handed to it by a six cylinder Falcon... :

Quickly followed by the Boss290 :P