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Seems you are busy with the planning ;-) I was looking for a build thread for a guy that fitted Ecoboost 2.0 in his newer Fiesta. Instead I found this thread, an older Fiesta getting turbo kit: https://www.fiestaturbo.com/forums/f...d6ac3&start=35 There isn't much spare space in there.. lol. reminds me of when I retrofitted turbo on my Corolla 2.0D back in year 2001. Some of the bolts in mine took about 15 minutes to put in and tighten, as there wasn't any space left against the firewall. Cheers, |
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https://www.fiestastoc.com/forums/to...rd-prep/page-1 I signed up to that forum just so I could read that thread. Time to start reading. Lukeyson
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In the UK, The LR Focus (UK Mk1) has an ST and an RS model. The ST170 uses the same 2.0 Litre engine as the Fiesta ST150/XR4 - but is good for 129kW(!!). The RS was Turbocharged.The LR Focus was sold in Australia from 2002 up until part way through 2005, when the LS Focus (UK MkII) kicked in. The US Focus from 2008 to 2011 was based on the MKI Focus. The ST150/XR4 I believe has 278mm rotors up front and 240mm rotors at rear. The ST170 Focus has 300mm front rotors that bolt right onto the Fiesta. The rear rotors and calipers from the ST170 also fit, and are 280mm. There are some ST170 Focii in Australia, but I suspect not that many. UK spec Focus RS rotors are also a bolt-on fit, and come in at 324mm. They also have 4 spot Brembo's. But since the LR Focus RS did not come to Australia, that's not a cheap option. The MK3 Mondeo Calipers will bolt on, but will still need ST170 rotors. However, Australia jumped the Mk3 Mondeo for some reason. We had the Mk 1 (HA/HB in Oz) and Mk2 (HC, HD and HE in Oz), the Mk3 was dropped, and then we picked up the MK4 as the MA/MB/MC and the MK5 as the MD. So the cheap Mondeo option doesn't look like an option. There are also aftermarket calipers for the ST170 such as Wilwood that do six-spot calipers. With ST170 rotors, these are also a bolt-on fit for the ST150. Lukeyson
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I've just read that the only real difference between the ST150 caliper and the St170/Mondeo Caliper is the carrier bracket. So if the Mondeo Carrier Bracket can be sourced separately then the standard ST150 calipers can be used on 300m rotors. The ST150 and ST170 are actually the same caliper with different carrier
I do recall seeing a bunch of MkIII Mondeo's in New Zoolund when I was there 14 years ago (I really must go back,NZ is brilliant). I see they are called 'GE' over there. And a quick browse of websites like pickapart.co.nz or partsworld.co.nz shows that they seem to have a heap of them. Lukeyson
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Oh, and for Mondeo or ST170 to fit the ST150, I see another mention that the carrier for each has to be drilled out from M10 to M12. The bolts to mount them, if the ST150's don't fit, is a grade 10 or better flange bolt, M12 pitch 1.75, 30mm long.
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Sorry, correction, the carrier itself has the m12 thread, it is the mount points on the front hubs that will need to be drilled out. That makes more sense - stupid me. So it's not using the ST150 bolts as they are m10, and you may get the Mondeo/ST170 caliper assemblies without a bolt. The Ford Caliper Bolts are apparently on the expensive side.
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The XR4 has a 55mm throttle body. There is a 60mm throttle body swap available from one of the 2.3 models. Apparently.
But I found this on Aliexpress of all places, not sure whether it is truistable.... https://www.aliexpress.com/item/60mm...AbTest=ae803_4 Lukeyson
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Hmm. The MkIII Mondeo, aka the CD132 platform, was not sold in Australia as I mentioned before - but the CD132 based Jaguar X-Type (X400) was sold in Oz.
Interestingly, the Jag's brake specs seem to match that of the ST170/Mondeo - 300mm fronts and 280mm rears. And google turns up quite a few being wrecked around Australia. I shall ask around to see if this is an option - but from there we might find that the Jag bits might not be cheap. Lukeyson
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22-01-2019, 10:00 PM | #9 | ||
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Confirmed. X-Type Jag Front Calipers are identical to Mondeo MkIII, and would "bolt on" (with a little drilling) to the ST150/XR4 fronts.
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23-01-2019, 06:56 AM | #10 | ||
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Hi again,
Finally found the build thread I was looking for. Some guy in UK fitting an Ecoboost 2.0 in his Fiesta. The thread shows suspension upgrades, rear brake upgrades, engine mounts, and many other details. https://passionford.com/forum/restor...ft-270whp.html Cheers, |
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23-01-2019, 10:37 PM | #11 | ||
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Nice thread, but that looks like a later WT Fiesta getting 2.0 Ecoboost rather the a WQ. Worth a read though.
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Perhaps it's this one you were thinking of? 2.3 Turbo build on a WQ/MK6. The exhaust manifold looks super scary - enough to push me in the direction of a supercharger instead.
https://passionford.com/forum/restor...rbo-w-i-p.html Lukeyson
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25-01-2019, 11:58 AM | #13 | ||
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A Facebook ST150 Turbo build - that's not a turbo yet by the looks of it.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/categ...1238560078964/ Lukeyson
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From what I can see, it looks like it was 'Car Innovations' that supplied the turbo manifold for the Jamsport Fiesta ST150 kit that is no longer for sale. Jamsport still appear to do Supercharger kits though. Two key pieces to a Fiesta XR4 turbo conversion that I wouldn't have the capability to develop something custom would be the Exhaust Manifold and the Intercooler. There are intercoolers for sale still that will bolt into the front of the fiesta. And there are a gazillion Duratech turbo manifolds that I can see for sale - but getting one that tucks the turbo down between the firewall and the engine as per the turbo build thread above looks to be a bit tricky. The rest is mainly intercooler and intake piping (aside from a custom dump pipe, depending on the best turbo to use for the 2.5).
The website is currently down - but they too look to be on Facebook Lukeyson
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Good read mate, i have a xr4 and wouldn't mind upgrading a few things here and there. My engine 2l duratech has had a rough live and it was time to change it, iv pulled the car apart to replace the engine, but i got the mod bug and thought could i put a 2.3 litre in there, so iv been looking around and searching forums here and there and found it hard to find any information. Anyway i found myself a low kay 2litre and bought it as i need the car on road soon as possible. I sent my ib5 gearbox to get resealed as it was leaking and had the builder call me back saying that the box is ruined as the case hardening was all gone. First wrecker i called and he told me he has a xr4 at the back of the yard with a mtx75 conversion, i was on to it and bought the whole conversion. I thing now i will be just turbocharging the 2l.
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26-01-2019, 12:21 AM | #17 | ||
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Nice.
I'm finding it hard to get details on the engine mounts and driveshafts required for the MTX75. Just one forum has mentioned using the shafts from a Petrol Mk2 Focus but it sounded unconvincing. Others have alluded to custom shafts. Are yours all installed? Or is there an opportunity to take pics and measurements? Lukeyson
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I see reference to a kit that use to be available from SiCo Developments. The old url is: https://www.sico-developments.co.uk/...box-conversion. But that link is no longer live.
So I checked the Wayback machine for past versions, and found one cached copy from 2015. The kit is described as follows: ======================== For sale is a conversion I have designed to replace the standard IB5 that the fiesta ST was cursed with lol The IB5+ is prone to blowing up and not being able to take the power of the ST so this gearbox conversion was created to fit a gearbox designed to take the power. This conversion is designed for approximately 150-200bhp cars and comes with OEM quality clutch replacement parts but paddle clutch options are available for an additional cost. The parts in this conversion are: Low mileage compatable MTX75 gearbox + new uprated slave cylinder MTX75 gear linkage and gear lever Painted conversion brackets to fit the MTX75 to the ST and the new gear lever to the ST MTX75 conversion driveshaft parts MTX75 conversion OEM quality clutch OEM gearbox lower bracket Fitting instuctions if needed =========================
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mine is still all bolted on the wreck, the wreckers are going to strip it apart next week, i may have t fix or replace a shaft as it got hit on one side and the wheel was pushed in a bit.
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I am seeing some comments that the MTX in the XR4/ST150 comes quite close to fouling the suspension at one of the CV's if the engine/box is not mounted quite right - one reporting the CV boot clip kept getting dislodged.. That is something of interest to me - since I'm looking at the Mazda 6 L5 with the 15mm higher deck height, using lowered engine mounts might be constrained by the future option of having an MTX go in....
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OK. That SiCo developments thread. If you are on the lookout for this, try the term 'Fiesta STT500'. The build was back in 2011.
These are pics of the original Turbo setup. The turbo was on a manifold directly between the engine and the firewall. Later it was this car that used a custom manifold and moved the turbo closer to the battery box, and they did a battery relocation. When I get to that bit in the thread I'll find out why. But in the meantime, pics of the original: Lukeyson
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The closest I can see on eBay is this one - most of the other Duratec manifolds, seem to point the T25/T3/T4 upwards.
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https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/cast-iro...frcectupt=true "cast iron turbo exhaust manifold for MAZDA M3/M6 FORD FOCUS DURATEC 2.3L" = $129.00AU Lukeyson
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wonder if that will work with the fiesta
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Good question. Location and spacing are tight.
Here's an Aliexpress option: Kinugawa Turbo Manifold Kit T25 Flange for Mazda 3 5 6 7 MZR 2.0L 2.3L If I were honest, this one looks the closes so far. The Mazda MPS factory version is offset - and the offset would be useful, if only they weren't so deep and not likely to fit between the block and the firewall in the fiesta. Let me see if I can dig up a pic to show the offset. Lukeyson
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The manifold on the Mazda MPS seems to offset the Turbo mount towards the "back" of the engine.
There's an aftermarket Billet version that is way expensive: Lukeyson
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Still on Aliexpress. There's an offset MPS manifold with pictures of a K04 attached that has caused me to reassess.
Manifold Only - $215AUD shipped Manifold+ K04 $790AUD shipped - now this one is worth looking at because it gives you a view that shows how much space you have between the turbo and the block. And yes, I am aware that I should not buy a turbo from China... This one includes all the above plus a dump pipe - $875 AUD shipped. I'm now curious to see some closer pictures of an MPS engine and how the intercooler piping is routed. One thing I do note from the images of the STT500 above - the location between the block and the firewall with a centralised manifold was abandoned because of problems routing piping. In one picture you can see how the rear engine mount is a serious impediment to the dump pipe. The MPS offset would solve this. But the downward facing cold-side outlet would likely foul on the gearbox if offset further. I wish I could link to the Aliexpress images but I haven't found a way yet. Lukeyson
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Breakaway view of the Turbo side. Turbo side MPS wrecker motor: Intake side on an MPS wrecker motor. The Plenum and throttle body sits down quite low by the looks of it: Lukeyson
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OK, trying to snip, save and post links:
Shots show spacing between K04 and block: From the top From the bottom: Now an image showing the approximate height of the runners above the manifold flange: Lukeyson
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Just re-reading some posts about the 2.5L again - the K04 which comes on the 2.3 and as shown above is not recommended as it overboosts the 2.5 at low rpm.
A GT2871R however would work and would spool up quick enough. The GT3071R would get better peak boost at higher rpm. This is the Aliexpress item above with the downpipe attached. Comparing to the STT500 images with the downpipe, it looks like it routes roughly similar. Lukeyson
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