Why are Toyotas so reliable (and boring).

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Have experienced their engineers/quality department, can confirm they don't fart around regardless of how insignificant something might be in the grand scheme.

Even with all OEMs, the difference between what the aftermarket will accept and what an OEM will are chalk and cheese, aftermarket are all cowboys in comparison.

Trying to get an OEM to make a change, you better have a bloody good reason to get it in front of their engineers, and once you do you gotta throw in the kitchen sink to get them to sign off on a design change.

Toyota have never been innovators that's for sure

As far as reliability goes, their modern stuff is like everyone else's modern stuff - built to meet a time line

Then again, go and ask quite a few Land Cruisers owners how reliable the V8 diesel is in dusty conditions

As far as the 70's series goes - "would you like an air conditioner with that"

[aussiblue]

the biblical JD Powers Initial quality

Biblical in the sense of being full of sins perhaps.
J.D Power are known as not being totally reliable and objective; they report according to their paid sponsors requirements. At the very least you have to take their rating with a "large pinch of skeptical salt".

see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKN5Wl4uTyY

and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKisRZd8VYw

and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DT84HQBHLM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFuRtlVqsPw

Per the last video they only rates vehicles and their attributes according to what the makers pay them to rate.

and even this fairly sympathetic view https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-jd-power-5092600

Criticism of JD Power

Because companies pay J.D. Power licensing fees, there are situations in which J.D. Power is making money off the very companies it’s ranking. This possible conflict of interest is something competitor "Consumer Reports" addressed in a May 2020 article. The article called attention to the fact that J.D. Power charges fees for companies to access survey results, mention the firm in ads, and participate in the Certified Customer Service Program.5

However, J.D. Power claims its surveys provide, “independent and unbiased feedback from a representative sample of verified product owners,” which would negate, in theory, any bias toward its paying customers.

Furthermore, J.D. Power argues, only the companies who perform the best in certain categories can pay for a license. In other words, J.D. Power doesn’t hand out its licenses to just anyone who’s willing to pay the fee.6

I think Consumer Reports is a more reliable source :

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Toyota have never been innovators that's for sure

As far as reliability goes, their modern stuff is like everyone else's modern stuff - built to meet a time line

Then again, go and ask quite a few Land Cruisers owners how reliable the V8 diesel is in dusty conditions

As far as the 70's series goes - "would you like an air conditioner with that"

The diesel V8 is indeed quite the turd but I'm pretty sure it's unique to our market in the 79 series, cause Australia.

I can't say much but their demanding for testing and specifications is certainly up there as one of the toughest OEMs in regards to what they expect, they clearly set the benchmark.

They don't do anything by halves.

[aussiblue]

More on JD Powers:

https://jalopnik.com/everything-you-...r-a-1818818969
https://www.brightworkresearch.com/h...nd-associates/

[Dr Smith]

Just curious and I wonder how we could ever know but which brand has it's vehicles most often closely maintained to the factory schedule and do these vehicle have a greater reliability ranking.

For example my father was a stickler for regular servicing and he only owned Falcon passenger cars ranging from XW to EL, some did upto 300,000 to 400,000km and I don't think any one let him down stuck by the side of the road. So if you ever asked him what to buy based on reliability he would answer .."a Ford".

[383hq]

Originally Posted by aussiblue

More on JD Powers:

https://jalopnik.com/everything-you-...r-a-1818818969
https://www.brightworkresearch.com/h...nd-associates/

In the good old days, when Moses played footy locally, and Oz had a car industry, JD Powers results were taken very seriously by "da Management"
At least for the two Majors I worked for anyways....

We certainly didn't choose a jeep to benchmark the upcoming territory against.

[MITCHAY]

I think of Toyotas as fridges. But they have become less boring in recent years. The new Camry ain't too bad, and put a turbo 6 or V8 in it and it would go alright with RWD or AWD

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

I think of Toyotas as fridges.

Yep, Toyota should have been an appliance company. They could have dominated the world, and everyone would have been happy with that.

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by 383hq

In the good old days, when Moses played footy locally, and Oz had a car industry, JD Powers results were taken very seriously by "da Management"
At least for the two Majors I worked for anyways....

There is a huge difference between "Customer Satisfaction" and actual reliability.

If you did a global (customer based) survey of reliability, then the top models would all be Chinese.

There's an inherent problem with surveying the owners of Toyotas and Especially Lexus. Toyota buyers, by definition, have no soul, and no sense of aesthetics.

I remember back when Lexus first launched in Australia. Wheels magazine got together three aficionados, (might have been presidents of their respective clubs), of Mercedes, BMW, and Jaguar. They got them to do a comparison of the LS400, against comparably priced Merc, BMW, and Jag.
They were made to "scientifically" evaluate the cars in terms of characteristics, performance, and quality.
The Results, not surprisingly were:

1. Lexus, a clear winner
2. Mercedes
3. BMW
4. Jaguar, trailing far behind

They then asked them which car they would actually like to buy
And they ALL picked the Jag.

I've never understood why people buy Lexus?
Because if you have the money to buy a Lexus, then obviously you can afford to drive something else, and just fix the bits that go wrong.

I'd love to be able to own a Maserati Quattroporte.
Because if I had that sort of money, then I could afford to fix all the dodgy Italian Electronics.

[Junkyard-Dog]

Because they're Toyotas.

You can go ahead and close this thread now mods. The question has been answered.

[FTE217]

ah Crazy D......
yer sure thats your train of thought respect it.
As for surveys in general that are posted, I take them all with a grain of salt.
Hands on experience is the best comparo tool.
Have you or fam members been euro owners and or lexus ? just to see.

Mine yes for all of the brands incl hi end Alfas.......
If your a enthusiast type well Jags and even Alfas tick the box's for driver experiences.
Sounds, handling and just that style about it all, love them.
The Alfa 166 top of the line we had was a beautiful machine but a POS.
Just as your mention of the Maserati, you love it but after a while your sick of fixing it, takes a week to repair, its not the bucks its the inconvenience.
Once over 100k's or some before woeful despite affording the repair costs your just sick n tired going back and forth depending the prob.
Love BM/MB's - old man had countless models and I currently have a 330i m.
Old man has had some lemons be it BM/MB - you just get sick of it (see I repeat this), the cost such is life if out of WTY.
My 330i is on 70k's, I'll be shipping it off soon before the ton, you might as well pay for repairs IF out of WTY on a lower k later model if not buying new.
Since the ol man is on his 2nd Lexus.
You buy them for they are all round a very well made/reliable but more so their action to service is above them all. Depreciation is also very good if thats a owners concern.
IF your the type that your prestige car is just the means of getting A to B it wins easily.
They have some great sports models now as you may know.
I'll look at a RCF or ISF 6cyc brilliant dailys.
I know a few in my circles who are Mustang/Falcon owners who have bought some IS earlier model V8's.
Tuned them, exhaust they Love them.
So there's my experience and pov why some buy a Lexus.

[Junkyard-Dog]

If you truly want reliability.



W123 300D - they may be slow but they will survive the nuclear apocalypse.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Junkyard-Dog

If you truly want reliability.

image

W123 300D - they may be slow but they will survive the nuclear apocalypse.

Your picture just reminded me of a Rolls Royce Camargue broken down on the side of the freeway the other day.

I was both appalled and outraged. Sorry back to Toy-boaters.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by FTE217

The Alfa 166 top of the line we had was a beautiful machine but a POS.
Just as your mention of the Maserati, you love it but after a while your sick of fixing it, takes a week to repair, its not the bucks its the inconvenience.
Once over 100k's or some before woeful despite affording the repair costs your just sick n tired going back and forth depending the prob.
Love BM/MB's - old man had countless models and I currently have a 330i m.
Old man has had some lemons be it BM/MB - you just get sick of it (see I repeat this), the cost such is life if out of WTY.
My 330i is on 70k's, I'll be shipping it off soon before the ton, you might as well pay for repairs IF out of WTY on a lower k later model if not buying new.
Since the ol man is on his 2nd Lexus.
You buy them for they are all round a very well made/reliable but more so their action to service is above them all. Depreciation is also very good if thats a owners concern.
IF your the type that your prestige car is just the means of getting A to B it wins easily.
They have some great sports models now as you may know.
I'll look at a RCF or ISF 6cyc brilliant dailys.
I know a few in my circles who are Mustang/Falcon owners who have bought some IS earlier model V8's.
Tuned them, exhaust they Love them.
So there's my experience and pov why some buy a Lexus.

WOW!! I don't think I have ever met or heard of anyone owning an Alfa 166!!!! I loved the facelifted version of those and the Alfa V6 was heaven! Please tell me you allowed it howl every now and then.





I know you mentioned V6's, but I would have no problem putting a GSF or RCF in my garage. That V8 is soooo very not Toyota like.

[FTE217]

DFB it was this model
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...jdg2w&usqp=CAU

The design was to die for - the interior was plush as and the seats nice fit and support yet soft as a leather lounge.
It was gorgeous to the eye to wash and that nice difference not many have.
The sound typical Alfa and in wot taking you back to euro ol days sound - the tinker at idle from the exhaust - it was very nice till you typically get Alfa gremlins.
Electrics in this one was ok amazingly.
Had the heater core leaking twice — that’s ripping out the dash to get to it and my mechanic mate wants 2weeks with it each time.
When it gets those points it’s time to move on.
The thing is you got to try these wonderful problem child’s once at least so you’ve been there done that.
Same goes for for any euro - luv them but I sure wouldn’t like being 3/4/5th owners on but that’s me.
The BM as mentioned will go soon despite it being brilliant for a daily.
Variety is the spice of life - I have my keepers but daily’s like to move em on try something else like those RCF’s me think next you’ve posted - they are stealth !
Latest Alfas are porn as well mind you lol


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[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Junkyard-Dog

If you truly want reliability.

image

W123 300D - they may be slow but they will survive the nuclear apocalypse.

As was the 124.....>500,000kms when It left me.


With obligatory AFF content

[Junkyard-Dog]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

As was the 124.....>500,000kms when It left me.


With obligatory AFF content


image

They handle pretty well and are very stable at high speed. Brilliant car.

[Vekgib]

Originally Posted by Junkyard-Dog

If you truly want reliability.

image

W123 300D - they may be slow but they will survive the nuclear apocalypse.

Father in law has a 300D. Slow as a wet week. I managed to drag it to 120 on the Hume a couple of weeks back. Poor thing was shaking and rattling.

[SumoDog68]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Toyota have never been innovators that's for sure

As far as reliability goes, their modern stuff is like everyone else's modern stuff - built to meet a time line

Then again, go and ask quite a few Land Cruisers owners how reliable the V8 diesel is in dusty conditions

As far as the 70's series goes - "would you like an air conditioner with that"

Ever heard of Prius and hybrid drive train ? Probably most important Toyota invention though is Toyota production system - just in time and continuous improvement . They even sold that to Porsche amongst the others .
https://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/20/b...-the-pink.html

[Junkyard-Dog]

Originally Posted by Vekgib

Father in law has a 300D. Slow as a wet week. I managed to drag it to 120 on the Hume a couple of weeks back. Poor thing was shaking and rattling.

I'm impressed you broke the 100km/h barrier. They are slow but they're loyal.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Junkyard-Dog

I'm impressed you broke the 100km/h barrier. They are slow but they're loyal.

I think I need that in my life

[Junkyard-Dog]

You reckon it's time for a performance upgrade from the Lebanator?

[marty351]

This looks fun. And no licence required!

https://www.mobilityhelp.com.au/mobi...arch-hybrid-4/

[Junkyard-Dog]

Originally Posted by marty351

This looks fun. And no licence required!

https://www.mobilityhelp.com.au/mobi...arch-hybrid-4/

Steady on mate. Franco is good but even he cannot handle that much grunt.

[Trevor 57]

If you are after the ultimate in reliability and easy access to spare parts, you need one of these

[Junkyard-Dog]

True. Am bodging together a filthy AU and intend on testing the limit of it's durability everytime I drive it.

Tried my best to kill an AU1 forte a decade ago and it just would not die. They only got better with the series II and III models too.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

I know you mentioned V6's, but I would have no problem putting a GSF or RCF in my garage. That V8 is soooo very not Toyota like.

I would own one of those in a heartbeat

Originally Posted by SumoDog68

Ever heard of Prius and hybrid drive train ? Probably most important Toyota invention though is Toyota production system - just in time and continuous improvement . They even sold that to Porsche amongst the others .
https://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/20/b...-the-pink.html

People forget the things that Toyota have done, because its Toyota and the stereotypical boring bland comments is about the best they have.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by DJM83

I would own one of those in a heartbeat

People forget the things that Toyota have done, because its Toyota and the stereotypical boring bland comments is about the best they have.

1JZGTE/2JZGTE though mind you a lot of the legwork there was done by Yamaha on the engine design.

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I think I need that in my life

Not for Twelve Months, Though..!!

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Junkyard-Dog

True. Am bodging together a filthy AU and intend on testing the limit of it's durability everytime I drive it.

Tried my best to kill an AU1 forte a decade ago and it just would not die. They only got better with the series II and III models too.

Watch this . . . . . . . . Commodore dies after a few minutes, AU keeps going until it is dark


https://youtu.be/hR6sKfaBlGM