VFACTS June 2009 - Page 2

EDManual · 03-07-2009, 02:05 PM

If you add up the total sales in groups of companies I wonder how ford is going, ie, Ford plus volvo plus maybe 30%? of mazda. They dont own Land rover, Aston Martin or Jag anymore.

Toyota has lexus

Holden has hummer, saab, isuzu

Hyundai has Kia

Citroen has Peugeot

Fiat has chrysler

Porsche now has volkswagan and Audi, lambo, skoda, I think?!

hmm, its interesting.

vztrt · 03-07-2009, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by EDManual

If you add up the total sales in groups of companies I wonder how ford is going, ie, Ford plus volvo plus maybe 30%? of mazda. They dont own Land rover, Aston Martin or Jag anymore.

Toyota has lexus

Holden has hummer, saab, isuzu

Hyundai has Kia

Citroen has Peugeot

Fiat has chrysler

Porsche now has volkswagan and Audi, lambo, skoda, I think?!

hmm, its interesting.

Ford has 10% of Mazda, Volvo is getting sold. VW & Porsche aren't together as the merger failed. Saab is also gone from GM.

EDManual · 03-07-2009, 02:13 PM

I think vw and porsche are together, its failed as a group now and needs more cash together to keep going. Porsche didnt fail on their own they borrowed to get VW and did, but have now have made the group need cash. They didnt give VW back and somehow now owe billions for nothing.

imugli · 03-07-2009, 02:14 PM

Holden don't have Isuzu. Independent franchises since GM canceled their agreement with Isuzu, which is why we now have 2 badges on the same car. The Holden Colorado / Isuzu DMax.

imugli · 03-07-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by EDManual

I think vw and porsche are together, its failed as a group now and needs more cash together to keep going. Porsche didnt fail on their own they borrowed to get VW and did, but have now have made the group need cash. They didnt give VW back and somehow now owe billions for nothing.

Not quite.

It's now more of a merger than a takeover. Last I heard, they've actually had to sell some 20% of VW to some middle eastern consortium for an injection of funds.

vztrt · 03-07-2009, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by EDManual

I think vw and porsche are together, its failed as a group now and needs more cash together to keep going. Porsche didnt fail on their own they borrowed to get VW and did, but have now have made the group need cash. They didnt give VW back and somehow now owe billions for nothing.

Actually having another look. The both own stakes in each other. Porsche tried increasing their share to 75% and put themselves into the poo. So now they have gone to the Arabs to get money and the Arabs are trying to work who they want to have a share off (VW or Porsche). Wont find out till the end of July how the structure will go.

Paxton · 03-07-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by imugli

Holden don't have Isuzu. Independent franchises since GM canceled their agreement with Isuzu, which is why we now have 2 badges on the same car. The Holden Colorado / Isuzu DMax.

The interesting thing, at least for me, is why haven't Isuzu used the Rodeo name? They own the rights to it, and Rodeo has a huge following.

GT69 is correct. Ssangyong is actually owned by SAIC.

This month will be interesting. Ford have had to make ~750 more cars this month, just to keep up with demand, and seem to be taking the down days out of July's production as well. Hopefully, this can eventually result in an increased line rate.

EDManual · 03-07-2009, 02:37 PM

some more details

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2575E8000CC687

R-Design · 03-07-2009, 02:37 PM

Business boosts June new-car sales

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2575E8000CC687

Beat me to it, how about this:

http://www.fcai.com.au/sales

vztrt · 03-07-2009, 04:13 PM

Commo had a stellar month.

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2575E80015949E

Road_Warrior · 03-07-2009, 04:34 PM

Carm onnnnnnnn someone has got to have Ford's sale breakdown by now

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Crazed · 03-07-2009, 05:02 PM

Source FCAI

Top Australian Vehicles June 2009

Vehicle - Sales
1. Toyota HiLux - 4756
2. Holden Commodore - 4748
3. Toyota Corolla - 4066
4. Mazda 3 - 3741
5. Ford Falcon - 3410
6. Mitsubishi Triton - 3043
7. Hyundai i30 - 2742
8. Nissan Navara - 2568
9. Hyundai Getz - 2263
10. Toyota Yaris - 2194

Amazing off-road ute sales and Sportwagon sales (outsold every SUV again). Lucky Ford got rid of the RTV and didnt update the wagon...

I remember reading that Ford had stock issues with Falcon so it will be interesting to see if they have a few orders up their sleeve.

csv8 · 03-07-2009, 05:21 PM

Any figures for the new FIESTA ?

**TUF_302** · 03-07-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GT69

28 Ssangyong 147

ARGH! the chinese have found 147 dumb people in Australia!

Theres more than that many dumb people in Aus lol!

Good on Ford for securing 3rd spot, for a while it looked like Mazda would overtake us!

GT69 · 03-07-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TUF_302

Theres more than that many dumb people in Aus lol!

True, maybe there was only 147 dumb people looking at buying a new car in June

Paxton · 03-07-2009, 08:00 PM

Falcon is looking up. Excellent.

No Camry/Aurion in sight. There is a God.

4Vman · 03-07-2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GT69

True, maybe there was only 147 dumb people looking at buying a new car in June

Hey, HSV continue to flush rich bogans out month after month so anything's possible!!

**Burnout** · 03-07-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazed

Amazing off-road ute sales and Sportwagon sales (outsold every SUV again). Lucky Ford got rid of the RTV and didnt update the wagon...

Ain't it great!

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4Vman · 03-07-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazed

Source FCAI

Top Australian Vehicles June 2009

Vehicle - Sales
1. Toyota HiLux - 4756
2. Holden Commodore - 4748
3. Toyota Corolla - 4066
4. Mazda 3 - 3741
5. Ford Falcon - 3410
6. Mitsubishi Triton - 3043
7. Hyundai i30 - 2742
8. Nissan Navara - 2568
9. Hyundai Getz - 2263
10. Toyota Yaris - 2194

Amazing off-road ute sales and Sportwagon sales (outsold every SUV again).

How do you figure that.....? Sportshatch sales are included with sedan sales.

Smoke Pursuit · 03-07-2009, 08:44 PM

Yeh, and they coulda sold another 500+ sedans / utes if they actually built enough... The demand for XR6's in both sedan and ute was huge! Good work Ford... not... As for orders, anyone who diddnt get before 30th of june woulda cancelled if they wanted the tax bonus, they wont bother with it now till dec!

Alot of Holdens stock was 2008 plate cars, Ford dont have any 2008 plate stock, so i guess when you look at it Ford are still probably better positioned without the finance costs of old stock, but figures always shine dont they..

Mazda 3 = meh!

Gobes32 · 03-07-2009, 09:07 PM

I was of the opinion that the Navara is a better vehicle than the Hilux........? Why such a massive sales disparity?

Smoke Pursuit · 03-07-2009, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

I was of the opinion that the Navara is a better vehicle than the Hilux........? Why such a massive sales disparity?

Toyota > Nissan...

Most of the construction industry run Hilux's!! How many work sites on the side of the road do you see Navaras?

phillyc · 03-07-2009, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

Any figures for the new FIESTA ?

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/360...-technicality/

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Originally Posted by caradvice

Getz sales were up 25.9 percent against June 2008, and up 8.3 percent year-to-date (YTD). The Yaris, nearing the end of its model cycle, notched up 2194 sales for June, down 20.8 percent against June 2008, and down 26.3 percent YTD.

Interestingly, in this segment, Holden’s Barina with 903 sales for June, is still out-selling the brilliant Fiesta with 753 sales (what’s going on there?). Encouragingly for Ford, the Fiesta was up 33.7 percent against June 2008 sales, and up 12.6 percent YTD.

Not doing so well is the medium car market where Camry, Mazda6 and Accord Euro reside.

In this segment, the excellent Mondeo must be perplexing Ford with just 356 sales and down 20.4 percent YTD. (Ford, here’s a bit of gratuitous advice… it’s a marketing problem, the car is a cracker.) The Epica for Holden has stiffed with just 195 sales, down 6.5 percent YTD.

Ford, start some more marketing!

phillyc · 03-07-2009, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Barraxr8

Ford have being building about 260 vehicles a day since downbalance last year I hear.

However, they have also been having a day off a week until recently, so the line rate hasn't changed for quite a while. They will just be working 5 days a week instead.

Thanks for that info Barraxr8. The last i read it was between 200-220 units a day. At the 260 daily rate, then 6000 is a possible monthly build rate.

That could consist of
3500 Falcon sedans & wagons.
1250 Falcon Ute
1250 Territory

The other is that Ford NZ sells the Falcon at about 100-200 a month too.

PS Hope these improved sales continue. Now to improve the Euro designed stuff.

XR Martin · 03-07-2009, 10:48 PM

Brand loyalty is the reason for Hiluxs sales, and the fact that they have the greater supply network.
Reliablity of the current model Hiluxs are pretty woeful to be honest.

RATT · 03-07-2009, 11:16 PM

Ford

Ford Escape 85
Ford Fairlane 2
Ford Falcon 3,410
Ford Falcon Ute 1,491
Ford Fiesta 753
Ford Focus 807
Ford Focus Coupe Cabriolet 23
Ford Mondeo 356
Ford Ranger 4X2 610
Ford Ranger 4X4 854
Ford Territory 1,259
Ford Transit 473
Ford Transit Bus 20
Ford Transit C/C 51
Ford Total 10,194 Down 0.9%

Holden

Holden Astra 668
Holden Astra Convertible 48
Holden Barina 903
Holden Caprice 177
Holden Captiva 1,093
Holden Colorado 4X2 492
Holden Colorado 4X4 1,184
Holden Combo 101
Holden Commodore 4,748
Holden Cruze 873
Holden Epica 195
Holden Rodeo 4X4 1
Holden Statesman 68
Holden Utility 4X2 1,577 %
Holden Viva 39
Holden Total 12,167 up 1.7%

A big winner in June:
Hyundai

Hyundai Accent 20
Hyundai Elantra 330
Hyundai Getz 2,263
Hyundai Grandeur 4
Hyundai i30 2,742
Hyundai iLOAD 549
Hyundai iMAX 104
Hyundai Santa Fe 303
Hyundai Sonata 93
Hyundai Tiburon 8
Hyundai Tucson 1,446
Hyundai Total 7,862 up 44.3%!!

Mazda

Mazda BT-50 4X2 621
Mazda BT-50 4X4 706
Mazda CX-7 510
Mazda CX-9 588
Mazda MX5 56
Mazda RX8 34
Mazda2 1,202
Mazda3 3,741
Mazda6 948
Mazda Total 8,406 up 11.7%

Toyota

Toyota Aurion 1,628
Toyota Avensis 88
Toyota Camry (4 cyl) 1,783
Toyota Coaster 16
Toyota Corolla 4,066
Toyota Hiace Bus 195
Toyota Hiace Van 904
Toyota Hilux 4X2 2,098
Toyota Hilux 4X4 2,658
Toyota Kluger 1,255
Toyota Landcruiser PU/CC 689
Toyota Landcruiser Wagon 702
Toyota Prado 1,442
Toyota Prius 158
Toyota RAV4 1,341
Toyota Tarago 193
Toyota Yaris 2,194
Toyota Total 21,410 Down 16.4%

EDManual · 04-07-2009, 12:14 AM

just worked out that of toyotas huge total, around 11,500 of them are commercials or 4wds!

BlueOvalPrint · 04-07-2009, 12:29 AM

Ford

Ford Escape 85
Ford Fairlane 2
Ford Falcon 3,410
Ford Falcon Ute 1,491
Ford Fiesta 753
Ford Focus 807
Ford Focus Coupe Cabriolet 23
Ford Mondeo 356
Ford Ranger 4X2 610
Ford Ranger 4X4 854
Ford Territory 1,259
Ford Transit 473
Ford Transit Bus 20
Ford Transit C/C 51

Eh? 2 Fairlane sales? I thought it was killed off in 07???

madmelon · 04-07-2009, 12:33 AM

...when you add up the numbers, Ford is only 400 units behind holden for Aussie made vehicles and both are way ahead of Toyota. (6570 Holden, 6162 Ford, 4666 Toyota). That's if the Kluger is made here- i'm not sure.

GS608 · 04-07-2009, 12:34 AM

Falcon based
Falcon - 3410
Ute - 1491
Terri - 1259
Fairlane - 2
Total - 6162

Commodore based
Commodore - 4748
Ute- 1577
Statesmen - 68
Caprice - 177
Total - 6570

Last month the difference was 230 this month its 408, but it is good to see the Falcon ute and territory sales rise after their poor effort last month