Covid 19 -

[roddy1960]

How are you all doing round Oz ? All I've been doing all week , lost count how many times I've done it is wipe , spray , wipe , spray disinfectant . Not my job to do to this degree but before I think of whinging I know I should thank my lucky stars that I have a secure public sector job and not struggling like so many of my fellow Aussies are .

What a bitch of a year it is . Drought , Bushfires and Pandemics and it's only March . What's next ...Cyclones , Tornadoes and Floods ...probably .

Not going to rant on about pollies here or anywhere else or because that's no good . Just hoping that in the next few months that losses from this rotten little disease will be kept to a minimum , not least here on our patch and some okay rains will hit still drought ridden areas and those still recovering from the fires will have some good outcomes in among the pestilence .

For those of us single or family members not impacted medically or financially lets just suck it up , be grateful , don't rant on about how tough we might think we have it and consider if there is anything we can do to help .

If nothing else all this has made me think and reassess what's really important in my own circumstances..If not following AFL , no car racing , no big get togethers or being able to go out for tea or going long distances etc is high priority then it's a small price to pay personally IMO even if I have to incessantly wipe , spray disinfect all day long at work .

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

How are you all doing round Oz ? All I've been doing all week , lost count how many times I've done it is wipe , spray , wipe , spray disinfectant . Not my job to do to this degree but before I think of whinging I know I should thank my lucky stars that I have a secure public sector job and not struggling like so many of my fellow Aussies are .

What a bitch of a year it is . Drought , Bushfires and Pandemics and it's only March . What's next ...Cyclones , Tornadoes and Floods ...probably .

Not going to rant on about pollies here or anywhere else or because that's no good . Just hoping that in the next few months that losses from this rotten little disease will be kept to a minimum , not least here on our patch and some okay rains will hit still drought ridden areas and those still recovering from the fires will have some good outcomes in among the pestilence .

For those of us single or family members not impacted medically or financially lets just suck it up , be grateful , don't rant on about how tough we might think we have it and consider if there is anything we can do to help .

If nothing else all this has made me think and reassess what's really important in my own circumstances..If not following AFL , no car racing , no big get togethers or being able to go out for tea or going long distances etc is high priority then it's a small price to pay personally IMO even if I have to incessantly wipe , spray disinfect all day long at work .

We're doing ok thanks Roddy, our household went into self induced semi-isolation from Tuesday morning only venturing out for essential activities like work and basic shopping in off peak times.
We actually sat down as a family for the first time in God knows how long and had lunch together today, bacon and eggs cooked on the Weber.

My Wife's employer has gone into full lock down so only employee's can go in or out, 2 of my kids work in fast food and with restaurant dining closing their hours have been reduced, my Daughter recently landed a job in the healthcare industry but unfortunately due to current developments her training has been postponed so she's having to manage on her reduced hours in her current job, the positive is though, that she's having less outside contact and isn't going anywhere to require extra cash at the moment.
My eldest son recently landed a job with a bank in their call centre and although still in training, is flat out with calls from customers needing help, he's been fast tracked as a result and is loving it.

I finished up yesterday, 2 weeks ahead of our usual shutdown for holidays, however, with SA Schools closing down a week early I was only looking at 1 week loss, then by the time I did my final drop off yesterday there we're no kids left on my run so i'd have been out of a job yesterday regardless, another 4 drivers found themselves in the same boat yesterday afternoon, ironic really.

On a personal positive note, the Governments lifeline to small business has given my employer hope and so they're going to keep the doors open for now to see what happens and I've negotiated with them to keep my position open in case they return to trading when we get a better picture of what the future brings.
I put in an expression of interest with Woolworths yesterday as they're looking to take on quite a few people in various positions, so a job driving one of their trucks would be a good alternative if it comes to it.

I didn't really want to walk away as I love the job but with a Wife working in aged care and our school aged children already withdrawn from school it was a decision to limit her exposure and in turn, the people she provides for and we felt it was worthwhile.
Not much point having our kids out of the school environment if im driving other people's kids around twice a day.
I actually had someone say to me that I was only walking away so I could claim the Governments welfare money, he soon backtracked when I explained that my Wife earns more than the jobseeker threshold allows and so i'd be able to claim the grand total of **** all.

Moving outside of our home environment, I've actually noticed some positives coming through amongst the punters on the street, people are actually respecting peoples space and accommodating one another.
As someone said on the radio yesterday, when this is all over people will actually appreciate the things which we've taken for granted for so long.

Stay safe and healthy guys.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

As someone said on the radio yesterday, when this is all over people will actually appreciate the things which we've taken for granted for so long.
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If you believe that you are very naive.

This has highlighted just how selfish society is, whether it be by panic buying or thinking the rules don't apply to them.

When this is over society could actually be worse. There may be a small difference initially but within weeks things will be no different to before.

[Citroënbender]

I’m sort of keen to get the bug and recover.

Not for any reasons of one-upmanship but because (a.) I should be a good candidate for full recovery and (b.) as it seems relapse/reinfection is not really known, I can be more useful without the risk continuing over my head.

[XByoot]

Originally Posted by prydey

If you believe that you are very naive.

This has highlighted just how selfish society is, whether it be by panic buying or thinking the rules don't apply to them.

When this is over society could actually be worse. There may be a small difference initially but within weeks things will be no different to before.

Sad but true. Not only selfish but stupid. There are lots of good people out there too but sadly these traits are prevalent in the modern world.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by prydey

If you believe that you are very naive.

This has highlighted just how selfish society is, whether it be by panic buying or thinking the rules don't apply to them.

When this is over society could actually be worse. There may be a small difference initially but within weeks things will be no different to before.

Yeah, i didn't say all people Rob, I said people, its up to the individual how they come out the other side.
I've already noticed quite a difference to the way we go about our day to day lives, when this has settled down I've no doubt that i'll cherish the opportunity to catch up with friends, go on holiday, get back to work if its still there or just go for a walk down the beach on a Friday evening and sit in a café and have a meal and a coffee.
A week ago you we're making 'chicken little' comments and now you're suggesting society might be worse off, remind me again, who's sky is falling..?

[EgoFG]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Trump Orders General Motors to Make Ventilators
Wall Street Journal-25 minutes ago

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-l...rs-11585327749

And yet Ford complied last week

Originally Posted by Sioso

As much as I hate to admit it, if I was in America I'd stock up on guns and ammo also....

I did not ... I'll let you know how it goes

[Sioso]

Originally Posted by EgoFG

I did not ... I'll let you know how it goes

Keep in mind my view of America comes from Hollywood, if I entered a convenience store over there at night and it didn't get held up I'd be shocked!

[Tickford.]

Italy has had 969 deaths in the last 24 hours. The highest recorded number. Total deaths now 9,134.

This is in a country with a better health system than Australia.

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Italy has had 969 deaths in the last 24 hours. The highest recorded number. Total deaths now 9,134.

This is in a country with a better health system than Australia.

You sure their health system is better??

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

You sure their health system is better??

When is comes to per person (which is what it's going to come down to IF this virus takes off hear), YES they do. Italy also has a more efficient system than we do. We have one of the best 'developed public healthcare systems' in the world (ranked 8th best in Jan 2020), but Italy is ahead when you take into account their population is much lower than ours.

Best Healthcare in the world by population 2020.

2. Italy
32. Australia

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...rld/#dataTable


The Bloomberg annual study, Most Efficient Health Care 2018.

4. Italy
8. Australia

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ngapore-at-top

Also, I have a family friend who is a Doctor and is a dual national (Australia/Italy). He's between Italy and Australia a bit, and often praises Italy's health system more when compared to Australia. This is of course second hand information and not my own experience. But I have no reason to not believe him.

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

When is comes to per person (which is what it's going to come down to IF this virus takes off hear), YES they do. Italy also has a more efficient system than we do. We have one of the best 'developed public healthcare systems' in the world (ranked 8th best in Jan 2020), but Italy is ahead when you take into account their population is much lower than ours.

Best Healthcare in the world by population 2020.

2. Italy
32. Australia

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...rld/#dataTable


The Bloomberg annual study, Most Efficient Health Care 2018.

4. Italy
8. Australia

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ngapore-at-top

Also, I have a family friend who is a Doctor and is a dual national (Australia/Italy). He's between Italy and Australia a bit, and often praises Italy's health system more when compared to Australia. This is of course second hand information and not my own experience. But I have no reason to not believe him.

On this list Australia is 10th and Italy is 37th.

https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/reve...-systems-2019/

This one we're 8th.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...th-care-system

This one we're 7th.

https://www.cignaglobal.com/top-10-c...athcare-system

And this one we're 2nd.

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-...-world/8716326

[XR Martin]

Oops.
Please delete.

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

When is comes to per person (which is what it's going to come down to IF this virus takes off hear), YES they do. Italy also has a more efficient system than we do. We have one of the best 'developed public healthcare systems' in the world (ranked 8th best in Jan 2020), but Italy is ahead when you take into account their population is much lower than ours.

Have to correct a mixup in my post above. It should read Italy is ahead when you take into account their population is much higher than ours.

XR Martin, as I said, Italy has a better system per capita. And one of those links you posted confirms what I said about Australia having the 8th best developed system. But Italy has a better system, again, per capita. They have well over twice the population we have.

[XByoot]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Italy has had 969 deaths in the last 24 hours. The highest recorded number. Total deaths now 9,134.

This is in a country with a better health system than Australia.

Italy has obviously taken a huge hit, total tragedy . From what I can gather and please correct me if I’m wrong, this virus is spread when there is direct contact to the face, be it from a surface or another person, typically saliva etc etc. it’s also from a symptomatic donor, ie if your not showing symptoms your not going to spread it, but I’ve read differing opinions there. The virus can live on hard surfaces for quite a while, nothing new there

Italy has a massive population in high density living situations, very tactile and often with Mumma, Papa the bambino’s and great bambino’s all in one house. They are also an ageing population with many many smokers. There is also a massive tourism industry. Cruise ship style living on the land basically. Im thinking these issues have really made the spread of this dirty virus so prevalent over there, same as cities such as New York. In Oz we have many similarities, but often our living situations are quite different, our cities are nowhere near as crowded, but our high density areas have been hot spots, eg Sydney CBD etc.

In some ways we may be luckier...maybe. But in others I think we will suffer for a long time. Regional areas are possibly safer at the moment with limited exposures. But our indigenous and Torres straight communities are a high risk population. Roll in the overseas and big city fifos who may well unknowingly be carriers and it will go off in these areas and will overload many regional health care institutions . Sadly I think we are in for it but just in a different way .

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

This is in a country with a better health system than Australia.

Nope.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Italy has had 969 deaths in the last 24 hours. The highest recorded number. Total deaths now 9,134.

This is in a country with a better health system than Australia.

Older population, a different society and lifestyle to Australia and dense population, its not comparable to Australia - they tend to have multiple generations living in one household, are very family oriented, greet each other by kissing and a very laid back society in that they don't care much for rules/regulations, prioritising tradition and the catholic church over everything else.

Lets look at all the deaths in Australia from COVID19:

March 1st: the first death from COVID-19 was a 78-year-old Perth man, one of the passengers from the Diamond Princess who was being treated in Western Australia:

https://7news.com.au/travel/coronavi...virus-c-723547

March 4th: the second death was a 95-year-old woman who died at the Dorothy Henderson Lodge aged-care facility in Sydney.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/...04-p546z6.html

March 8th: the third death was an 82-year-old man, the second death at Dorothy Henderson Lodge in Sydney.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-...pital/12036410

March 13th: the fourth death was a 77-year-old Brisbane woman who developed symptoms on a flight to Sydney and died the same day.

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2020...onavirus-five/

March 15th: the fifth death was a 90-year-old woman, the third death at Dorothy Henderson Lodge in Sydney.

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/news/P...200315_01.aspx

March 18th: the sixth death was an 86-year-old man being treated in a Sydney hospital.

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/news/P...200318_00.aspx

March 20th: the seventh death was an 81-year-old woman who had close contact with another confirmed case of COVID-19 at Ryde Hospital,
Sydney.

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6142988714001

March 24th: the eighth death was a 77-year-old woman from the Ruby Princess cruise ship, which had docked in Sydney on 19 March.

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/news/P...200324_00.aspx

March 25th: the ninth death was a 68-year-old man from Toowoomba, Queensland, with a serious underlying medical condition, who had been infected on the Voyager of the Seas cruise ship.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-...id-19/12090804

March 26th: four deaths were reported: three men in their 70s with pre-existing medical conditions died in Victoria.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/t...26-p54e20.html

A Perth man in his 70s who was a passenger on the Celebrity Solstice cruise ship died in Western Australia.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-...-ship/12093796

Average life expectancy in Australia is 82.5 years, four of those deaths exceed this life expectancy and one was very close at 81 years old, the rest are in their 70s and one of them was late 60s, the one in their 60s with a 'serious underlying medical condition'.

The media isn't giving you context - they're misrepresenting information, which is their usual MO anyway.

[prydey]

don't feed the Tickford troll peeps

[XR Martin]

The dead is not what will collapse the health system, it's the critically that will.

[superyob]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Italy has had 969 deaths in the last 24 hours. The highest recorded number. Total deaths now 9,134.

This is in a country with a better health system than Australia.

This is the same country whose loony social justice prone mayors told the local populations to hug a foreigner, to prove they weren't racist or some other crap.

Surprise, surprise; those areas have the highest concentration of sickness...

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Italy has had 969 deaths in the last 24 hours. The highest recorded number. Total deaths now 9,134.

This is in a country with a better health system than Australia.

Italy's health system is not better than ours.

Speaking from experience.

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[Romulus]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Italy has had 969 deaths in the last 24 hours. The highest recorded number. Total deaths now 9,134.

This is in a country with a better health system than Australia.

Everyone that has died in Italy had a minimum of 3 complicating factors before they died. Lung and heart issues, diabetes and liver troubles. And an average age of 80. It’s a virus like every other virus, and will kill anyone with those complicating factors at that age. The media is fear mongered everyone to shut down the world.
There’s reason to believe this was specifically done to go after Trump.To ruin the economy, to make him look bad.
This is not as wide spread as it’s made out to be. The modelling relied on is wrong by up to 80%. The medical findings aren’t matching the modelling.The research virologists have been lying to the governments.
Watch Dr Deborah Birk, White House Corona Virus Response Coordinator debunk the lies and misinformation spread about the spread, infection rate and death rate peddled by the media. 2 million American's dying from CV-19? Utter BS.

[oldel]

Originally Posted by Romulus

There’s reason to believe this was specifically done to go after Trump.To ruin the economy, to make him look bad.

Dumbest **** I ever read.
Why not say it was done to make the sweatshops full of Chinese workers in Italy look bad? The fashion houses charging top dollar for "made in Italy" goods didn't want to pay local labour rates so they imported Chinese workers to work for low pay in sweatshops.

Or why not say this is good for the USA because it punishes Iran because they were getting stuff (contravening sanctions, maybe weapons for oil etc) from China?

You'd have to be an idiot to think this has anything to do with undermining Trump. He doesn't need help to look bad! Also this damages the opposition the most because it stops them campaigning and doing primaries.

This virus got out of China because capitalism - so many foreign countries use chinese labourers because they're cheap. Euro fashion industry, staff on ships etc. They all went home for Chinese New Year and spread the virus after coming back to work.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by oldel

Dumbest **** I ever read.
Why not say it was done to make the sweatshops full of Chinese workers in Italy look bad? The fashion houses charging top dollar for "made in Italy" goods didn't want to pay local labour rates so they imported Chinese workers to work for low pay in sweatshops.

Or why not say this is good for the USA because it punishes Iran because they were getting stuff (contravening sanctions, maybe weapons for oil etc) from China?

US intelligence knew about Covid-19 in November 2019. It’s a game of diplomacy at the moment until we’re on top of this issue. Then it will be all about restitution, whether China likes it or not.

You’re not one of those double digit IQ folk who believed this came from a fish market in Wuhan?

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Romulus

US intelligence knew about Covid-19 in November 2019.

Link please.

[oldel]

Originally Posted by Romulus

You’re not one of those double digit IQ folk who believed this came from a fish market in Wuhan?

I've read lots of funny stuff, like pangolins and bats, but that wasn't my point. It only came out of China because the western worlds employs so many Chinese overseas for cheap labour - and what does that have to do with Trump? The Chinese wouldn't target Iran, Italy and the cruise ship industry to get at Trump. Only Trump himself and the single digit IQ folks who worship him would believe that

[Tassie f100]

Yeah the Yanks seem to have the idea,don’t worry about food or clothing etc,just make sure you have plenty of guns and ammo.See they are limiting purchase of 9mm ammo to 100 rounds per person.Number 1 why do they need guns anyway.Number 2 why would they need 100 rounds.

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Yeah the Yanks seem to have the idea,don’t worry about food or clothing etc,just make sure you have plenty of guns and ammo.See they are limiting purchase of 9mm ammo to 100 rounds per person.Number 1 why do they need guns anyway.Number 2 why would they need 100 rounds.

maybe .... coz just in case the first 99 dont kill the virus

and with the tinfoil hat placed on firmly now
the comments that china needs to admit blame and what ever and trump saying no ones to blame

maybe just maybe with the negotiations that were going on with the US and China prier
maybe the US had manufactured this virus and had a certain agency release it in China , well certain big US corps are bolsters the US economy
well as said others had put up their theory so with my tinfoil hat on i will to

[wodahs]

and as ive on occasion been known to be wrong
so i am ti this as well

Originally Posted by wodahs

maybe just maybe with the negotiations that were going on with the US and China prier
maybe the US had manufactured this virus and had a certain agency release it in China , well certain big US corps are bolsters the US economy
well as said others had put up their theory so with my tinfoil hat on i will to

as ive just had a nice little chat with some nice people that had just by chance knocked at my door and gave me the info that this was not the case at all
so i retracted the comment made and deem it to be false

[five 7]

Originally Posted by wodahs

maybe .... coz just in case the first 99 dont kill the virus

and with the tinfoil hat placed on firmly now
the comments that china needs to admit blame and what ever and trump saying no ones to blame

maybe just maybe with the negotiations that were going on with the US and China prier
maybe the US had manufactured this virus and had a certain agency release it in China , well certain big US corps are bolsters the US economy
well as said others had put up their theory so with my tinfoil hat on i will to

Trump has said it is the 'chyna' virus.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...jing-escalates