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[hayseed]

Scotty From marketing, is a; far quit.


I might add, I've never voted Labour in my Life..

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by hayseed

Scotty From marketing, is a; far quit.


I might add, I've never voted Labour in my Life..

You should never vote for a party you can not spell

[Citroënbender]

My gut feeling based on traffic movements and ambient noise, is more people in Sydney were breaking their isolation today, than yesterday. Will be interesting to see if it’s a trend. (My prediction was, most would be getting out and about by tomorrow week, virus or not.)

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

My gut feeling based on traffic movements and ambient noise, is more people in Sydney were breaking their isolation today, than yesterday. Will be interesting to see if it’s a trend. (My prediction was, most would be getting out and about by tomorrow week, virus or not.)

I think it's due to people prepping for the next wave of restrictions. Last week was a 'lets see what happens week' whereas due to the situation not easing and more talks of further restrictions and financial safety nets people are seeing that things will get worse before they get better.

I can tell you that the supermarkets were packed today with shoppers.

We are near 4,000 cases if not over and it wasn't that long ago that the whole country was in very low triple digits.

There will be a lot of interesting announcements tomorrow I'm sure.

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[MercuryT]

I was censored by a mod before (post deleted as "Political") but i maintain it.

ScoMo is a deadset moron with no ability to run our great country.

[Franco Cozzo]

Scomo's just the figurehead - it's what the advisors and his party are doing is the ones you should be holding accountable.

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Scomo's just the figurehead - it's what the advisors and his party are doing is the ones you should be holding accountable.

No doubt mate. I work in State Gov't and i give advice to our Minister of Land (Guy Barnett) who just repeats our advice.

However it still doesn't change the fact he is completely inept in front of the camera. I find him embarassing for the country.

Has no presence as a leader whatsoever.

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by MercuryT

No doubt mate. I work in State Gov't and i give advice to our Minister of Land (Guy Barnett) who just repeats our advice.

However it still doesn't change the fact he is completely inept in front of the camera. I find him embarassing for the country.

Has no presence as a leader whatsoever.

That’s a fairly brave or stupid post to make on a public forum. It wouldn’t take much for your boss to work out who you are and have you sacked


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[Franco Cozzo]

My family has been social distancing for decades, no one likes each others company and we're always in separate rooms at home

[MITCHAY]

So the only important info buried in all the waffle, there is now a max 2 people restriction in public down from 10.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

So the only important info buried in all the waffle, there is now a max 2 people restriction in public down from 10.

It’s not waffle...
People need to listen to the entire message so there is some understanding of the intent. It helps with trying to digest the strategy to help avoid a whole of BS debate later on. These situations are dealt with on a day by day basis and not with the wisdom of hindsight.

Listen to the messaging, follow instructions and lets all help each other get to the other side of this safely. It’s already becoming a dangerous burden from a mental health perspective as well and I fear we may lose people to more than just the virus.

Everyone needs to do their bit and tow the line. The tough has just got going and we will all sacrifice something before we have a vaccine and we can move on properly.

[BENT_8]

Gotta LOL @ the melts by landlords in the comments section of many news articles to the news that renters in financial hardship due to job losses wont have to pay them rent for 6 months.
Many of them threatening to throw the renter out at the end of the 6 months.
I don't think they've realised that once they've tossed out their current renter, the new one they'll end up with probably got evicted from somewhere else for the same reason, it'll just be the rental property version of musical chairs to the renters.

[CoupeKing]

[.:4:.]

I work in an 'essential' service. Ive seen the worst that this pandemic brings out in people. I fully respect and follow the guidelines. Yes i still am employed, but due to clients shutting their doors, i have no work so as of tomorrow am on forced leave. Its a very stressfull time. Its leave. I still have the work car and associated work stuff. I do have work lined up for tomorrow, but its not through my employer and its not meaningful, its just doing stuff for my mum at her house. So she pays the $32 for parts and labour i get lunch. So yeah, not great, and its a sign of the times. I am on entitlements, but theyre not infinite. Its a shaky time...

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by .:4:.

I work in an 'essential' service. Ive seen the worst that this pandemic brings out in people. I fully respect and follow the guidelines. Yes i still am employed, but due to clients shutting their doors, i have no work so as of tomorrow am on forced leave. Its a very stressfull time. Its leave. I still have the work car and associated work stuff. I do have work lined up for tomorrow, but its not through my employer and its not meaningful, its just doing stuff for my mum at her house. So she pays the $32 for parts and labour i get lunch. So yeah, not great, and its a sign of the times. I am on entitlements, but theyre not infinite. Its a shaky time...

You're charging your Mother for parts? I hope she charges you for your lunch.

[.:4:.]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

You're charging your Mother for parts? I hope she charges you for your lunch.

Nah, she constantly braggs about the high quality work she pays next to nothing for to her friends. She can do lunch.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

You're charging your Mother for parts? I hope she charges you for your lunch.

A wog mum would NEVER do such a thing to her child!

[Citroënbender]

If it’s that dire I can chat with my client tomorrow - I’d like him to bring forward some basic work (doesn’t even have an RCD in this house).

There was another bloke doing some of it initially but I don’t know if he was actually promised the balance. People forget that household electrocution was a well enough known fatality, even through the seventies.

[.:4:.]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

If it’s that dire I can chat with my client tomorrow - I’d like him to bring forward some basic work (doesn’t even have an RCD in this house).

There was another bloke doing some of it initially but I don’t know if he was actually promised the balance. People forget that household electrocution was a well enough known fatality, even through the seventies.

It may be due to my own safety standards, **** like fibreglass ladders and insulated boots etc, but on the odd occasion i do get shocked. So that's not a yearly thing. Its far from that. Ive never tripped an rcd with my body. I have taken out a 26 story high rise before. But like the saying a mechanic drives the worst car, my place i rent out is rcd protected and up to spec, my house is still all fuses. Not even plug in curcuit breakers. Im not scared of darwinism.

[Franco Cozzo]

Well with every bad situation there's always a silver lining - Pornhub is giving away free premium membership to everyone during the COVID19 pandemic

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Well with every bad situation there's always a silver lining - Pornhub is giving away free premium membership to everyone during the COVID19 pandemic

Franco, that is so last weeks news....so im told..

[Citroënbender]

Yes, but I believe you need to be referred by an existing member.

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Well with every bad situation there's always a silver lining - Pornhub is giving away free premium membership to everyone during the COVID19 pandemic

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Yes, but I believe you need to be referred by an existing member.

well
um
can you refer us

[cheap]

Watched ScoMo this evening and he doesn’t look well, but with less waffle from his speech which is good.

He has given the “economic stimulus” rhetoric the flick, after all how do you stimulate something in partial collapse? It may be a mute point but it was always about providing support and not stimulus. The stimulus comes once we have defeated C19.

Would dearly like him to provide clarity as to next steps and options on the table, we are adults. This would avoid the perceived contradictions. For example, just how many stages are there in this gig?

Landlord, renter moratorium sounds good, but I can see this moratorium causing scams, rip-offs and frustration everywhere - and ScoMo’s answer you’ll need to work it out between the landlord, the renter, and the bank.

How do you maintain a depreciate schedule, what does this mean to signed legally binding contracts (as they make no provision for this), is negative gearing included in the moratorium, how do you sell a unit in the midst of a rental moratorium, what will this do to prices, do lines of credit still apply, what are the tax implications, the mind boggles at the can of worms this has opened. Until this is fully understood then as a landlord with an empty unit, I might simply leave the unit empty rather than accept unknown risks/costs.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by cheap

Landlord, renter moratorium sounds good, but I can see this moratorium causing scams, rip-offs and frustration everywhere - and ScoMo’s answer you’ll need to work it out between the landlord, the renter, and the bank.

How do you maintain a depreciate schedule, what does this mean to signed legally binding contracts (as they make no provision for this), is negative gearing included in the moratorium, how do you sell a unit in the midst of a rental moratorium, what will this do to prices, do lines of credit still apply, what are the tax implications, the mind boggles at the can of worms this has opened. Until this is fully understood then as a landlord with an empty unit, I might simply leave the unit empty rather than accept unknown risks/costs.

Problem from my perspective is that it looks from the outside as though they saw an opportunity to vote buy in the early stages by throwing money at the unemployed and families on welfare who would otherwise be Labor voters, all that unnecessary 'stimulus' which ironically wont even make its way to the intended target until they're all unable to spend it, could/should have been saved and put towards wage subsidies which would have avoided a hell of a lot of job losses.
Had they moved straight to a wage subsidy system then many households would be able to meet their essential expenses being a roof over their heads and food on the table and it wouldn't have needed to go as far as impacting on Landlords to such a degree.
Scomo said they couldn't just run with a model that other countries have adopted, and whilst that's probably a fair analysis, im not sure how throwing away good money to people who would be least impacted by this is a better way of getting to the end goal.

Something tells me if they had their time again it would unfold very differently.
Personally I'd have started with closing the National borders to anyone other than Australian citizens on the first day, giving anyone a week to get home, in the mean time close all state borders to all non essential travel and stop the movement within the country to isolate each states outbreaks.
Instigate the 10 person rule straight away and tighten it when necessary.
The two most likely places for person to person spread is within the workplace and schools as these are the places where members of families who otherwise would never come in contact, are linked, keep the workplace open, close the schools, half your risk eliminated.
Whilst all this preventative measures are going on without destroying the economy and business, get your finance dept onto a plan to instigate a wage subsidy system and gradually hibernate business as required starting with those impacted in order, ie. airlines and booking agencies due to restrictions on travel, hospitality, , education/childcare sectors etc. etc.
A gradual action/reaction system in order to maintain control rather than jumping all over the place from one aspect to another, no wonder he looks so tired.
I can excuse Scomo for the path he's chosen to take because this is something no one could have prepared for in any detail, but in order to improve you need to learn from your mistakes and if I was Scomo i'd be taking a good hard look at the people writing his material and whether he's getting value for money...

My2c.

[creative]

Originally Posted by cheap

Landlord, renter moratorium sounds good, but I can see this moratorium causing scams, rip-offs and frustration everywhere - and ScoMo’s answer you’ll need to work it out between the landlord, the renter, and the bank.

There is one missing link there... Property Managers and Real Estate offices.

For example, if the Govco stop rental payments, the banks stop mortgage payments to help the landlords and no money flows, that will wipe out the real estate industry. Most, if not all realestate PM departments work on fees being paid on money collected.... No money, no fees.

If the RE has to close the doors, who looks after the property.

As for scams it has already started from tenants. We are working with tenants and owners to get everyone through this time as much as possible but we have had one tenant contact us last week and say the place he works has closed and he needs help. We always ask for proof, which he sent through... and looked suss as. So we contacted his employer and surprise surprise, they were still open and he was still working.

The missus also works for fair trading NSW and they are copping an absolute hammering at the moment both in volume and in abuse from people that just dont get it.

[Citroënbender]

Is that (provide false or misleading information, intent to obtain financial benefit by deception) a sufficient enough breach of contract to wind up the lease?

[cheap]

Originally Posted by creative

There is one missing link there... Property Managers and Real Estate offices.

For example, if the Govco stop rental payments, the banks stop mortgage payments to help the landlords and no money flows, that will wipe out the real estate industry. Most, if not all realestate PM departments work on fees being paid on money collected.... No money, no fees.

If the RE has to close the doors, who looks after the property.

As for scams it has already started from tenants. We are working with tenants and owners to get everyone through this time as much as possible but we have had one tenant contact us last week and say the place he works has closed and he needs help. We always ask for proof, which he sent through... and looked suss as. So we contacted his employer and surprise surprise, they were still open and he was still working.

The missus also works for fair trading NSW and they are copping an absolute hammering at the moment both in volume and in abuse from people that just dont get it.

Also, during the moratorium is the landlord expected to pay council rates, insurance, water, and electricity. Wear and tear and repairs to his property? It sounds like a gift to anyone looking to freeload on accommodation.

Another ScoMo feel-good statement design to warm the hearts and minds, but without the governance that is required, as you pick this apart it has the makings of "pink batts" on steroids!

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Well with every bad situation there's always a silver lining - Pornhub is giving away free premium membership to everyone during the COVID19 pandemic

Hope you've been hoarding lube the last couple of Weeks...

[Romulus]

As mentioned on ABC Insiders this morning, it's about time public servants felt some pain. While private sector workers are losing their jobs in the millions the public sector thinks it's immune, for now. It won't be, time to clean up the rort that is state and federal public sector workers.

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