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Top post delete94 and totally agree with your sentiments which seem to be mine, fair enough crack down speeding and drink driving easy to do monitoring wise with cameras and breatho's but what about the lack of monitoring of every other road rule. Unfortunately for the government this costs money as to do this they need to put more cops on the streets with no real hope of either making the money back or actually raising some revenue from it. Cameras are just revenue raisers for this sole reason because most motorists break most other rules than just speeding and probably more often too, Regardless of whether it leads to accidents breaking rules is breaking rules but we have no real policing of these.
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Apologies in my last post, got mixed up between Sezzy and Sudszy. Couldn't go back and edit it.
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Agree wholeheartedly. And what sudzy would say is that if an accident occurred using any of your examples, with a posted limit of say 60km, if you were doing no more than 60km/h you would receive much less injuries than if you were doing 63 or 68km/h. But this is not completely accurate because so many variables need to be taken into account for each accident. E.g. driver reaction time, condition / age of the vehicles prior to the accident. I think it cant be just a coincidence that since the authority’s have increased emphasis and time into speed detection and RBT, that compliance with the general road rules has decreased.
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Once you find a way of identifying and getting people off the road that have lapses in concentration(the brain dead morons) and dont brake at all let the authorities know, until then Id prefer they are doing 10kph less when they slam into my vehicle. For the ones that do find the brake pedal before hitting me the final impact speed is going to be a whole lot greater than 10kph slower if they were actually going 10kph slower in the first place: yes the tac wipe off 5(half the harmless margin you are talking about) ads show it nicely, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuY_VHzKdjc tell me they are wrong? Last edited by sudszy; 25-03-2011 at 08:04 AM. |
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Most of the reduction in fatalities has been caused by better vehicle design, introduction of compulsory seat belt wearing, air bags, drink driving laws and touhger approach to speeding.
Some of the roads have improved, but the amount of cars on the road has sky-rocketed. Freeways have been one of the biggest improvements in road safety, it has stopped the fatigue related head-ons, people are now hitting trees and barriers, but are surviving due to car design
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also, many cars go up in 5km/h increments so it wouldn't help them anyway if the govt is using a 3km/h tolerance. |
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Its why of all speed-related crashes, the majority (something like 80%) happen BELOW the limit. There was a time the ATSB published stats on crash rate versus speed above the limit (ie. the layman's definition of speeding). It showed that the minority of crashes were either (a) caused by speed (b) involved drivers speeding. Unsurprisingly, these stats were pulled not long after the regulators changed their definition of speeding.... redefiniing normal lawful behaviour as speeding and massively skewing the data to fit their agenda. |
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And the second part and this is where the whole 'Speed kills' brain washed attitude comes into it ...... Of course if someone hits me I would prefer them doing less than 10k's .... or whatever ...... but by your argument and those from who have worked out that there is HUGE money in the "Speed kills' mentality ..... If I hit you doing 90k's in a 100 zone you will walk away unscathed because I was under the magical speed limit but if I hit you doing 70 in a 60 zone you would be history? Even you Harold would have to admit that the way this whole thing has been orchestrated it has a massive monetary benefit to the states, now built into budgets and continues to grow momentum because of the way statistics can be reported ..... "Speed Kills .... Don't Speed ... Dont get caught" Fact is everyone does and even yourself. Its just some get caught doing 3k's safely over while many others who are just plain dangerous (not talking just speed) keep doing what they are doing until they wrap themselves or someone around a pole. The real sad bit about all this is it will appear on the statistics as "Speed related " only when that may have been only a very small factor ....... and the fact is there is NO money to be made to catch the other morons and the money made from Speed taxes from those doing 73 in a 70 zone is dropped into general revenue instead of visible policing which is what this place needs. This is a big industry now ...... along with gambling, smoking, petrol, carbon etc and statistics can be done in so many ways to ensure the outcome benefits their agenda ..... and for that they thank sudsxy and all his ilk. I feel no safer on the road than I did 30 years ago except for the car which is umpteen times safer and the quality of roads.
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Well, lets send the Government's budget into the shyte, no-one speed from this point on!
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![]() I have not had a speeding fine for so long I can't remember when it was, and I do a lot of driving both socially and with work, and my theory is, "if I can do it, others must be able to"
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Boson, you are not the first person in this forum to put forward the northern territory as a supposed case in point for speed limits/cameras don’t work. Whether you are being devious or just outright dumb I don’t know, however, I have highlighted on more than one occasion why there the stats from NT from year to year aren’t a particularly good measure of anything except people killed. http://www.fordforums.com.au/showpos...9&postcount=25 I havent got the time or energy to go through all your claims, but anticipate there is more of the same misrepresentation as displayed as with your NT claim. John Lambert: perhaps have a read here for both sides of the story: http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...360633943.html |
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People shouldn't believe all that propoganda bull-**** about NT speed limits, read this link. The road toll was only 'down' for one year, and that was the year before they dropped the speed limit.
http://www.roadsafety.nt.gov.au/stats/index.shtml
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regarding the add. if you and i are travelling at those speeds - you of course the slower one, but i see her and back off slightly and make plans for moving around her if she happens to cross the road at that exact moment, then there is a very good chance that i have more hope of missing her than you. if i brake earlier than you and actually use the big round thing, that i am holding onto, then maybe i would miss her. i realise that being a normal everyday driver, you cannot make these allowances - that is why we have a road toll that is as high as what it is. you see sudszy i drive to survive - i have a theory; no impact, no injury or death. you on the other hand seem to be expecting to be involved in an accident one day. personally i would rather do what i can to avoid the impact, not worry about the speed so much for when it happens |
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You seem keen to make a point that I take a stance due to my supposed inferior driving capabilities? a little childish dont you think. Last edited by sudszy; 25-03-2011 at 05:30 PM. |
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glad to hear you do the left foot brake thing, that will save valuable reaction time. I do the same but also realise that there may be things through either my own failings or reasons beyond my control that I cant anticipate(they are the things that ultimately get everyone when you think about it), though there hasnt been yet, and dont push my luck doing the extra 5-10km/h(no Ive never had a fine, not even a library one.) |
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the weird thing is the 3 people you are arguing with most in this thread are the three that always stick up for the police, do not put down speed cameras and have a very healthy respect for authority even when others consider it unfair. however, while i do not have a problem with speed cameras i have no doubt that they are for revenue. the intention to start with was no doubt pure, but now they are just a cash cow and in my opinion do not do anything to help the road toll. more police presence - no problems, let's have it; and by the way, i don't get caught by speed cameras and a speed camera will never pick me up to check for roadworthiness or the like. speed cameras work better for me, but for the safety of the general popultion i will take a police presence anyday |
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They're blaze, and I agree wholeheartedly that it's not just speeding that's the issue. I don't believe the legal system has any grasp on what this kind of driving around you actually does and the potential for injury. It's easy for the government to focus on speeding just as it's easy for the person behind the wheel of a car to think that their driving is just that...their's...that nodoby else has to tolerate it. I guess that is my main issue. We are so hell bent on what is 'our' right to do, that we forget about those around us and their rights as well. We're selfish and lack the ability to accept responsibility (as Gecko said), the judicial system further exacerbates this problem by letting these scumbags back on the road, because two years off is going to 'help them learn'. It doesn't...these people aren't sorry, they're sorry they got caught and it's a big difference. I wrote a letter a little while back to the transport minister regarding the proposed changes to the licencing scheme whereby they were allowed to have a certain number of 'mistakes' in a test. The things listed, failure to indicate, able to go over the speed limit 5 or 6 times in a 30 minute test...and still pass? I questioned why this was the case, as indicating is something that should always be done, and before braking. I have no problems with people who choose to speed, the other half regularly sits 3 above the speed limit everywhere he goes. He puts the boot into the ute and the turbo kicks in, before he knows it, he's doing 68 in a 60 zone. I, on the other hand choose to lift the foot off the accelerator at about 50, because I know it keeps going up for a little bit. I don't want a speeding fine, I've never had one. It's costly and quite frankly, I like my record clean...and the money in my pocket. I'm still working on (as time permits) the discussion that was had in July last year regarding a proposal to be made to the government with regard to the current laws, etc. so I guess if anyone has thought of anything else in the big gap that it has become...feel free to PM me and let me know, I'll add it to the already REALLY long list, and start researching for you...better still...if you've got the research already, send that through too...
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revenue is addictive. up to 3000 more in nsw. also, being owned, or about to be owned by the maquarie bank, at a cost of $300m, one of their main priorities will be to make that money back and then turn it into profit. it is now a business/investment, rather than a govt 'safety' device. what you will notice is a dramatic rise in the amount of revenue, and a very minor (if any) difference in actual accident rate. |
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You serious? I had one on my old car and it was permanently set on 130. It rarely went off but it was irritating when it did. Last thing you want in peak hour is a stupid thing going BEEP BEEP every time you drift up to 61. It startled me if I was just cruising with the windows up, no music on. Lets list the speeds on the way to my work. About 20 minutes away. 50, (40) 60, 90, 70, 60, 70, 60, 80, 50. Do you really expect me to take my eyes off the road and press the button every few hundred metres? Now lets list the speed limits on the way I drive in the work car. 80, 90, 80, 70, 80, 60, 80, 60, 80, 90, 60, (40), 90, 60, 80, 60, 100, 60, 80, 100. That is about an hour trip. Suggesting people to take eyes of the road that many times to set a speed buzzer is dangerous. I'd prefer the car behind me doing 10 over the limit instead of constantly taking there eyes off the road. I Hate it when stopping in heavy traffic and you look in the mirror and see the driver behind you looking away from the road. I have never got a speeding fine in my life either, so you don't have to brag sudzy. I still think all the speed cameras are for revenue raising and do nothing for safety. Also please sudszy tell us where you drive. What type of roads, what time of the day? You always avoid personal questions. Maybe if we new a bit more about you we might see your point of view better Personally I drive all times of the day. You name a time of the day and I would of been on the road at that time multiple times this year alone. When I am on the New England highway between Musswellbrooke and Singleton, in the Hunter valley NSW, at 2:30am you will never, ever convince me I am 50% (or whatever it is) more likely to crash doing 105-110 in the 100 zone. Especially on that nice bit of good quality road with 2 lanes in each direction and a very large grass medium strip. A few extra clicks is not only going to reduce my fatigue, but it is also less boring and easier to concentrate. Last edited by Ben73; 25-03-2011 at 06:34 PM. |
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