750 rwkws from an au six as a goal.

[AU2PWR]

Cheaper , Easier , SAFER , and most of all , Just that Bit more Economical , without the fact you will be using 44gallon drums per /100ks

[HLC]

Originally Posted by JC

Nah that's a bit much. Probably $32k. lol

Full engine rebuild with tougher components, say around $15k. Auto rebuild around $5k for something decent, plus brakes at around $5k for brembos or the like, then you may need some chassis boxing/strengthening etc. Somewhere between $25k to $35k would be the sort of money you are looking at. See if you can get it as maintenance on a lease and have it all tax deductible!

guy in our club just spent 33 grand on his xr6/t engine.

13 grand on the new turbo alone. wont spool up under 14psi. 305 rwkw on running in tune.

[Stav]

Originally Posted by HLC

guy in our club just spent 33 grand on his xr6/t engine.

13 grand on the new turbo alone. wont spool up under 14psi. 305 rwkw on running in tune.

I know mate.I installed his phone kit the other day...top bloke too.

[AU2PWR]

V8 , Twin Turbo , 30psi , hello high 9;s

[T_Terror]

i suggest you jump onto supraforums.com and have alook around there to see whats required to get a 1000hp+ inline6.

Those guys are approaching 1500hp from 3.4litres, the turbos used are ridiculous, T6 framed turbines!

You will be the first to attempt any sort of serious power from an AU motor which means you will be paying for the R&D, NOONE will be able to bolt something together and away you go, for quadruple digit horsepower you need to try different combinations to make it all cometogether.


Im going to make this easy for you.

$25,000 (as quoted in SM) will get you a Nizpro DOHC 4.0 making 1000hp+, add custom engine mounts, supporting gear and youll be seeing a bill anywhere between $60,000- $100,000 a large amount of which will be from labour.

[AU2PWR]

Originally Posted by T_Terror

i suggest you jump onto supraforums.com and have alook around there to see whats required to get a 1000hp+ inline6.

Those guys are approaching 1500hp from 3.4litres, the turbos used are ridiculous, T6 framed turbines!

You will be the first to attempt any sort of serious power from an AU motor which means you will be paying for the R&D, NOONE will be able to bolt something together and away you go, for quadruple digit horsepower you need to try different combinations to make it all cometogether.


Im going to make this easy for you.

$25,000 (as quoted in SM) will get you a Nizpro DOHC 4.0 making 1000hp+, add custom engine mounts, supporting gear and youll be seeing a bill anywhere between $60,000- $100,000 a large amount of which will be from labour.

Hence , Reiliterating the fact , Not Worth it ...

[JC]

Originally Posted by TwistedEL

If I could afford it I would do it just to say that it can be done
BTW JC you didn't price the turbo

Oh yeh - I read the question as "if I get a turbo, how much additional $$$ is necessary". But in total, probably closer to $50k.

[T_Terror]

Originally Posted by AU2PWR

Hence , Reiliterating the fact , Not Worth it ...

Pretty much...




Most people buy a weekend car and pour big power money into that.

Stav, youre going to have massive boost control issues with a 1000hp turbo.

Youre going to struggle to make less than 20psi, youll need twin wastegates, once boost comes on youll be spinning with anything less than 10inch slicks and well-setup drag suspension, the sound of 3 or more fuel pumps will drive you insane, you will need at the least 1200cc injectors, you will have to run a minimum 4inch exhaust, and id say just finding the room to fit a 1000hp turbo is a challenge on its own.


I know this wont happen but im having a chuckle imagining an AU work wagon hitting boost on the freeway (at 5500rpm lol) and sliding through the bends.

Great thread Stav :hihi:

[AU2PWR]

l,ol , was having the exact same thougts ... hahahahahahah

[sfr rob]

The idea is great, but I personally think you could do better with your cash and forget the AU wagon and try something else, as has been said, I think that you wont see much change from $60-70 Gorillas.
Why don't you just bang a turbo on it and run 11's, and spend a fraction of the $.
I personally don't think it would be an "investment" either, you will never get anywhere near what you will outlay on the car, but i am sure you already know that.
Hell, if your that keen, I would still love to see it done though!
Good luck in what ever you choose mate.

just my 2 cents.

[Mechan1k]

Big power and daily driver rarely go together ... and what some people call daily driven ... and when I call daily driven are 2 different things as well.

:hihi:

When if comes to forced indution ... it's not the top-end kW figure you have to think about .. it's gong to be the bottom to mid-range Nm figure you really have to worry about ... and this is the think that is going to destroy diffs, autos, driveshafts ... and if you are lucky ... a snapped long wagon tailshaft as well ... one-piece = bad.

If I was after powerful punch for a daily driver (if funds permitted) ... I'd be bolted a supercharger to my I6 (especially being auto ... and a stronger rebuilt one as well) ... drivability in the city and suburbs with an auto will suit a blower perfectly .... turbocharging you'll end up off boost too much ... especially when looking a larger boost and some lag ... drivability goes out the window.

If you want out and out performance for the strip ... build a seperate track car ... cos for a work vehicle .. you need something reliable ... and at the very least "comfortably" drivable.

I find what I am missing id fat low down torque for my sort of work ... I just wish I had the funds to fix that problem though.

[au2sw]

i believe a lot of people have missed the biggest concern here....how many spare parts (engines, autos, drive lines) do expect to keep on the side lines for quick down times? being the work daily driver, you wouldnt want it off the road too long. best bet would be to buy another wagon, use it as the project wagon fully sponsored then go hell for leather with fully blown turbo 1000+hp I6. at least that way, its still considered a "work" vehicle, still tax deuctable, and still able to blow away the rice burners!!
just my thoughts on the matter
col

[JoesAu]

No offence why waste your time buddy, Trick & manswetto will laugh at ya and tell ya to buy a real car with a real motor.
AS for Rajabs they have my mates Vlt doin mid 10's on a standard holden computer so they are not "tabouli' or watever you said they know there stuff.
And your looking at more than just motor, the Au's are made out of paper for a start mate, rails will twist like no tommorow pretty much strip the car from the firewall lol, u ever parked your AU with one side on the gutter and other side on road and opened and closed your door with a noticable different shutting sound like a hard bang!! yep they twist that much. Get real man.

[TURBOTAXI]

There are commodores making this power street registered (dont know how legal) using a TT V8 I am sure it could be done, as others have said there would be a price. I think you would have most of the ricers a little more than surprised with anything over 250rwkw. Thats doable on an unopened I6 with turbo and good tune. Dont forget you have out of the hole punch of 4 Litres.

Maybe a supercharged AND turbo charged set up to get you spooling early.

[Stav]

Originally Posted by JoesAu

No offence why waste your time buddy, Trick & manswetto will laugh at ya and tell ya to buy a real car with a real motor.
AS for Rajabs they have my mates Vlt doin mid 10's on a standard holden computer so they are not "tabouli' or watever you said they know there stuff.
And your looking at more than just motor, the Au's are made out of paper for a start mate, rails will twist like no tommorow pretty much strip the car from the firewall lol, u ever parked your AU with one side on the gutter and other side on road and opened and closed your door with a noticable different shutting sound like a hard bang!! yep they twist that much. Get real man.

Soz matedid a little research on the Rajab team and yes they are very good.

[Pyroay]

Originally Posted by stiddy

Pyroay is making 450rwkw around the 20-22psi mark.. but he's got 30k in his motor and gearbox.

I spent over $40k on the motor + $12k on gearbox and clutch.

You will be up for at least $40k on motor + gearbox and more

I'd say all up to get 750rwkw that is drivable more than once from a ford 6 will be $50k.

[Stav]

Originally Posted by Pyroay

I spent over $40k on the motor + $12k on gearbox and clutch.

You will be up for at least $40k on motor + gearbox and more

I'd say all up to get 750rwkw that is drivable more than once from a ford 6 will be $50k.

Thanks man.At least it is doable.Why spend 60k on a new typhoon or xr6t and then have to mod that on top when 60k could make the wagon alot quicker?
Would 600rwkws be more realistic?

[ten[A]cio[U]s]

If you have the money then anyhing should be do-able.

600rwkw and 750rwkw are going to cost a hell of a lot which ever way you look at it.

Im not sure but i would asume that past what pyroay has achieved it would become very hard to try and push more power out of the i6 ( at least the sohc engines ?).

But it this is what you want and can be prepared to spend that sort of money, then go for it.

[Ruger]

Originally Posted by Stav

Thanks man.At least it is doable.Why spend 60k on a new typhoon or xr6t and then have to mod that on top when 60k could make the wagon alot quicker?
Would 600rwkws be more realistic?

Resale Value..... but who cares about that lets just go fast

600rwkws i see do able if nizpro can make 1100fwhp im sure they could make 600. even though the barra T's are done to death its still one hell of a donk. there is a reason why they are done to death and the RND put into the DOHC motor is probably more so than the SOHC. sure there are heaps of sohc turbo's around but not many making big big power.
If you do a dohc motor start with the BF - apparently they are a bit better and also have better NVH

If your gonna stay 4L and dohc budget 35 including purchase of the motor but add another 5 for ecu.
another 15 for driveline (mark williams 9" with billet everything, 4 link *** end, custom tail shaft and a tough powerglide.)
If your going to go sohc with custom bits youll need a big budget, custom pistons and rods usually cost around 2k+ a set and someone said 4k for a crank - there you got 10 already........


Go for a twin turbo windsor. Start with a 351 block and take it out to 400, a pair of big huffers, aftermarket alloy heads, manifolds to suit, custom grind cam and all the other good bits.
Youll make your 1000hp with that no sweat..... and youll spend your 40k.

In the end of the day in my opinion 1000hp on the ford 6 will get a bit hairy but on a windsor where you can get an aftermarket block (world make awesome blocks) the sky is the limit you could push for 2000hp if you wanted.

[mr_xr8]

hey stav give harris engines a call 9771 3068 (talk to milton)
there building my engine in my capri (essex v6) and everyone told me it couldnt be done.

p.s there very buy right now, so just keep chasing them if you dont get a hold of them

[AU2PWR]

Yeah , Call Rajabs too mate , worth a shot ..

[auvct]

i was talking to a guy from profire,who now has the job of tuning parnell units, as mine was playing up, and he was telling me that they are working on an lpg injected turboed i6 and were looking at 650 hp.
Unfortunately i couldnt stop thinking of it(drooling and dreaming) if it was possible and forgot to ask him if it was at the flywheel or rwkw.

[AU2PWR]

Funny You Mention that , Gas Research were doing the Same things .. Must check how that is going ...

[Stav]

Heheh this thread is on fire!!

Guys at the moment its a real thought in my mind. So many people tell me that it cant be be or I cant do it or some crap like that. I am here to say that I can do whatever I want if I really want to make the sacrifice to make it happen .This is what it comes down too.

If people dont believe it can be done well then they dont have to get uncomfortable out of their safety zone which heresay and peer group pressure has moulded in their minds. I dont live in that box and wont stand in it with the rest!!!

My first goal is to get as close as possible to a 13 in the wagon normally aspirated and daily driven .In saying that I stumbled across a discovery today which can revolutionise the way big cams idle in these cars. I have the sure cam now idling better than my stock cam.

[AU2PWR]

Behind you all the way Stav , would be a Rocket .. I could go see what the Gas Reasearch Guys are up to , and check out Rajabs ..

[Stav]

Originally Posted by AU2PWR

Behind you all the way Stav , would be a Rocket .. I could go see what the Gas Reasearch Guys are up to , and check out Rajabs ..

That is funny you should mention Gas Research.My brother is good friends with them and worked with one of the owners family member.I might chat to him when I decide to get the ball rolling :

[nugget378]

Hi Stav,I must say trelathikes..
If you get a spare afternoon or weekend give me a shout,Ill take you round to see an 800hp I6 and the amount involved in that....

[Stav]

Im there!!!

[Walkinshaw]

Best Thread Ever

[Stav]

Well tommorow the journey begins with a call to my buddies in Yennora who build automatic transmissions for funny cars!! The 5 second ones...