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I agree. Although these days with the warranties available, theres no reason not to get the series 1 of anything anymore. If you like it in the showroom then why wait? You may die tomorrow waiting for the series 2. The last series 1 of any ford I had was an NU fairlane. The suspension was vastly different on the series 2 and the car felt far different for it. BA was sorted series 1, and so on and so forth.
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I recall someone once saying (maybe on this forum) that 'a Camry is for people who have given up on life'. That might be extreme, but from an auto enthusiast point of view, it beggars belief that they sell so well.
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With warrantees you could be right, but usually the Series 2 will have a lot of features the Series 1 doesn't have. When we were car hunting we were even told by the Holden dealer we visited to basically ignore the series one cars out in the yard and have a look at the series 2 sedan, as it had things standard (like the Holden IQ touch screen) that were expensive options in the series one. Same with the Fords usually.
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What do you drive?
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NOT A TOYOTA :/
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I do. And I find the company boring as bat **** generally speaking, but I think most of the comments posted on this forum are generalising the company from about 10 years ago. That or they base everything on cars they've hired on holidays and let me tell you, if people only thought of XT Falcons when they wondered whether Ford was a good brand would probably think the same thing.
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Yeah, I actually like the look of a modded Aurion.
but theres not much in the way of Hero cars :P its an easy assumption to make!
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There's nothing wrong with the Camry or Toyotas. Yes they are still boring, but most people would rather have a car that works properly than one that is fun to drive but is full of design flaws and has crappy interior trim. I'd gladly own another Hilux.
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Problem is everyone associated Toyota simply with the Camry and the Aurion, and to the lesser extent the Corolla because, as has shown in August, the Corolla sells particularly well.
Other vehicles in the range are fantastic. Prado, Kluger, LC200. I'd be hard pressed to find too much 'boring' about those models, they're not supposed to be performance orientated so you can't really pin that on them. My current Aurion that I drive is awesome. Pricey, but far from boring.
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There were down days in September and not all of the 22 day you subscribe were worked. August: Territory - 1625; Falcon - 1665; Falcon Ute - 593 That's 3,883 September: Falcon – 1708; Territory – 1395; Ute - 752 That's 3,855 See the pattern? Now 3,855 divided by 209 = 18.45 days so let's say 19 day with exports to NZ. That's 19 days...... So, is it possible that Broadmeadows had three down days in August and September? You bet. Does Ford need to down balance the line? No way. Last edited by jpd80; 07-10-2011 at 06:18 PM. |
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In the last 2 months, they have had 6 down days, which cost money for nothing built in return!! Also 3 days / by 22 days is 13%. 13% is a big number of day downs each month!! Last edited by Joe5619; 07-10-2011 at 07:16 PM. |
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I don't get why Ford don't think they can sell another 660 units.
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Interesting to see that Holden is living off Cruze and Commodore. The rest of their range isn't doing much. Ford has a decent spread. Just need Falcon to get over 2000 a month and try and get Focus moving.
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Production is currently being matched to orders, but Ford still need the odd down day to clear stock left over from months earlier. With LPi coming on stream now there should not be any extra cars made. Even better when the MkII comes on line. |
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is preferable to building excess cars that become harder to sell without discounts I know that rebalancing the line is a huge PITA as everything is timed and the tasks have to be redone supplier deliveries re timed, and staff retrained to get timing right so everything flows OK. Why on earth would Ford reconsider another rebalance when they are expection a lift from LPG? Last edited by jpd80; 07-10-2011 at 11:54 PM. |
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But still Ecoboost 2.0 will test the waters, I'd just prefer to see the diesel in there.... |
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I do see the need to spend upwards of 35k to 60k plus on xr6 turbo or fpv when a 600cc bike does it better performance wise. Granted you don't get 5 seats. However looking at my potential next car purchase Ford are off the list and I have owned various falcons from EB to FG.
Reason? Build quality. Resale and poor service. I also do not want an exciting daily driver. Something smooth, quiet, reliable and has enough space to deal with whatever else. I do not think some people here realise that people have changed their thoughts around the product offerings in the market. Look at sales trends over the last decade. why would you want to own a falcon? |
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it's a lot more than just speed up or slow down the line, everything has to change. It costs Ford a lot to rebalance, that is why when there is a variation in sales to production, controlling by either overtime shifts or down days is much more preferable than constant rebalancing. Ford went for (8) months at 269/day and three day weeks before finally rebalancing to reduce down days, that should tell you something about the economics of rebalancing.. The trick is to balance at the right level to allow trimming with some overtime or down days. Last edited by jpd80; 08-10-2011 at 12:03 PM. |
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Ford is not overproducing by 13% because.......... those vehicles are not being built. |
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