Sequential Shift Direction

[Wokkas]

Originally Posted by scottishxc

Spot on....manual states the following:

"When driving in manual mode, emergency kickdown allows the transmission to automatically select a lower gear for rapid acceleration in an emergency situation without needing to manually select the gear. The powertrain control module controls kickdown by sensing factors including vehicle speed, accelerator position and selected gear."

Sorry, forget question about adaptive mode too.

Im exhausted now. That should clear it up for everyone.

Well I'll be buggered, you're right, it does say that. I'm glad mine doesn't do it though. :

[RAREV8]

Originally Posted by Wokkas

Well I'll be buggered, you're right, it does say that. I'm glad mine doesn't do it though. :

No worries mate! Its not often I'm right so I'm briefly basking in self loving!!! As I said earlier, you honestly have to be giving it some serious welly!

(only in a controlled environment, of course!)

[Wokkas]

Originally Posted by scottishxc

No worries mate! Its not often I'm right so I'm briefly basking in self loving!!! As I said earlier, you honestly have to be giving it some serious welly!

(only in a controlled environment, of course!)

Ha ha ha. I just went out to get my owners manual before, and as soon as I read that about emergency kick-back, I read your post. Sorry again :monkes:

I've had a 2 tonne trailer on the back of mine in manual 4th with my foot flat to floor going up a hill only doing 60k's, and the tranny won't move.

Interested to hear what sort of BA yours is, plus other members who have the same thing happen...... Not an XR??

[DOC]

Originally Posted by Wokkas

Well I'll be buggered, you're right, it does say that. I'm glad mine doesn't do it though. :

As Scottishxc has said yours will do it you just gotta be driving it hard. it wont kick back if your to high in the revs or you don't push your foot to the floor. get it right and you get serious amounts of back end sliding out but yes in controlled enviroment and not for the streets.

These boxes take a fair caning so dont be frightned to drive them hard just dont drive them stupid.

[RAREV8]

God no! Mines a company farter!(hence the manner in which it gets driven) She's a BA Futura MKII sedan Actually, I love her like I owned her (bloody well earn the damn thing!)

Dan 635 said he got most of the models to do it?

Maybe we need to redefine a poll- Who can cause emergency kickdown in their SS fitted Falc?

[Des]

*Edit* already stated earlier. Should read everything first!

[ratter]

Ok just drove mine again to check

In full manual in 4th it will drop back to 3 at approx 30 kmh, it will then drop back to 2nd at approx 20 kmh and it will then drop back to 1st at approx 10 kmh all while decelerating.

I put it in 4 th manual again and floored it at 40 kmh and it did not change gears at all.

Maybe the Mk2's amy be different to MK1's or maybe FPV's are different to to non FPV's.

Anyone who says I did not accelerate hard enough please come and show me how I can accelerate harder than I'm doing and that way I may be able to improve my 1/4 times or dyno results as it appears to be lacking a little

[Des]

Originally Posted by ratter

Ok just drove mine again to check

In full manual in 4th it will drop back to 3 at approx 30 kmh, it will then drop back to 2nd at approx 20 kmh and it will then drop back to 1st at approx 10 kmh all while decelerating.

I put it in 4 th manual again and floored it at 40 kmh and it did not change gears at all.

Maybe the Mk2's amy be different to MK1's or maybe FPV's are different to to non FPV's.

Anyone who says I did not accelerate hard enough please come and show me how I can accelerate harder than I'm doing and that way I may be able to improve my 1/4 times or dyno results as it appears to be lacking a little

Are you edited? This may have changed the factory settings.

[RAREV8]

Originally Posted by ratter

Ok just drove mine again to check

In full manual in 4th it will drop back to 3 at approx 30 kmh, it will then drop back to 2nd at approx 20 kmh and it will then drop back to 1st at approx 10 kmh all while decelerating.

I put it in 4 th manual again and floored it at 40 kmh and it did not change gears at all.

Maybe the Mk2's amy be different to MK1's or maybe FPV's are different to to non FPV's.

Anyone who says I did not accelerate hard enough please come and show me how I can accelerate harder than I'm doing and that way I may be able to improve my 1/4 times or dyno results as it appears to be lacking a little

What does your manual say? Anyone got a manual from a MK1 or an FPV? I don't think that the FPV would be any different, its a safety feature after all.

[Aeron]

Ford have it the right way. The 2litre touring cars had it the same way, and they use a sequential g/box.

[ratter]

Originally Posted by Des

Are you edited? This may have changed the factory settings.

yes I've been edited,but positive it was that way before any mods because I can remember loading the motor to help run in.

[ratter]

Originally Posted by scottishxc

What does your manual say? Anyone got a manual from a MK1 or an FPV? I don't think that the FPV would be any different, its a safety feature after all.

Went to check my manual, but have left it at my workshop

[DDXR6T]

Originally Posted by Wokkas

I've had a 2 tonne trailer on the back of mine in manual 4th with my foot flat to floor going up a hill only doing 60k's, and the tranny won't move.

Thats not exactly an emergency situation.

There is a few times on the same corner that I have had the work ute kick-down. Coming around left turn into a side street, sitting in 2nd @ about 20km/h, Ill put my foot flat on accelerator and it'll drop down as if it is in normal adaptive mod. A quick look at the LCD screen in dash and itll show the gear flashing and then over-ride itself back into 'PERF' mode not manual mode.

Once again, the book says that it is judged on vehicle speed, accelerator position and selected gear. Simply going around corner and mashing the pedal is not always gonna cause it to kick down. I'd be guessing the car is using other factors such as road surface, how fast the accelerator may be pressed and even steering input possibly.

Its not a hinderance in anyway, I do 150km's day in a work BA E-gas and the another 35km's a day in my BA fairmont Ghia, and Ill be lucky if it happens to me once every month. I have never found it annoying in anyway.

In regard to the BA box being better than the AU box? They are "technically the same box. Just the BA box lets the 'manual mode' be selected in tip-tronic via solenoids, where-as the AU uses the conventional click1-click2-click3-drive mode. My opinion ... the BA box is better, but the BF 4 speed is by far the BEST.

[WILDTRAKPX2]

Devil's advocate here... What do you do in an emergency situation when driving a manual?

Doesn't the new Transit van have a clutchless manual with paddle shift?

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by johnkoz

I remember when I got the first print of the BA brochure, the pictures of the interior showed the trans with the + forward and the - back. Questioned the dealer about this when I ordered my XR and he mentioned it was probably a photo of one of the proto interiors.

If you have one of these original brochures, take a look. I'll scan a pic if I can find mine.

JB

Thats because that was the way they were going to do it, it was a last minute change to put it the way it is now. They followed BMW's example because it goes with the G forces of braking and accelerating. The photos would have been taken from pre production models. I think they got it right, and all the journos seem to agree.

[AU-MUSTD]

Subaru got it right with the pull towards driver and then back for down change and forward for up changes. Realy doesnt matter though as it's still a poor excuse for a manual no matter how hard the companies try and flog it as a manual.

[Wokkas]

Originally Posted by Dan635

Thats not exactly an emergency situation.

In all fairness mate, the computer can't detect what is an emergency situation and what is just hard driving.

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree. It seems in reality and from my experience and that of club members and other forum members, that the auto's in Ford's performance line-up (Boss & turbo motors), will not kick back in full manual mode until revs drop below a certain point. There are more than a few things stated in the manual that don't apply to other models, and the auto XR8 was released after the manual first went to print

As I witnessed in a taxi (MkI XT) on the way to the Clipsal today, in full manual mode, it will kick back. Obviously safety feature in NA I6.

If I manually held my XR8 in say 3rd around a tight corner in the hills during a thrash-fest while at full throttle, and the gearbox kicked back to 1st, all hell would break loose.

A sales pitch statement given to Ford dealers from FPV in 2003 with the release of the auto XR8: "Developed jointly by BTR and FPV, the new M97-019 auto uses the same casing and ratios as the XR6t but is engineered to match the Boss engine with a stronger gearset, tailored shift characteristics and a specific torque converter, allowing full driver control in sequential mode."

[jmc-007]

Originally Posted by Dan635

I actually find the gearing and speed in gears quite good in the falcons. I do alot of spirited hills drives, and the SSS seems to be perfect. Tighter stuff ... simply hold it in first, and the power and torque curve is always there. Faster stuff ... 2nd and 3rd gear do the trick and 4th will break some serious laws : . The VCT helps alot, If your revving too low, you can really feel the engine go into "aggressive" mode.

The first gear maximum inhibited downshift speed of 65km/h is indeed quite annoying, but its there to stop undue stress on the transmission.

I too have felt this, before learning it. it was very smooth but at lower speeds after some spritied driving, you can feel the gearbox smacking the gears in. what you call aggressive mode.

but i found the SSS is pretty quick once is learns.

[TheSneakiness]

Ford have it the right way round.

Down to go up, up to go down. Should be an Australian Standard.

Always said Mitsubishi had it back to front.

[Mechan1k]

Candy

[Matty4]

Originally Posted by AUII_SE_Ute

Down to go up, up to go down. Should be an Australian Standard.

Doesn't this statement make it seem that it is the wrong way around?

[Mechan1k]

Ever since I saw the British Touring cars 5-6 years ago with them ... it looked the best way of shifting ... then I drive a Magna with the INVECS-II sequential shifter and kept changing into 1st from 2nd (when near redline .... OUCH)

I hated the way Mitsu did it ... and very happy with the Ford setup ... I just used it then in the Territory actually, to duck in from the left lane that was engine (guy in the Lancer thought he could keep me at bay .... ummmm NO).

[WILDTRAKPX2]

Originally Posted by AU-MUSTD

Subaru got it right with the pull towards driver and then back for down change and forward for up changes. Realy doesnt matter though as it's still a poor excuse for a manual no matter how hard the companies try and flog it as a manual.

Are you basing this statement on your subaru experience or do/have you owned/driven a BA/BF?

[AU-MUSTD]

Based on the fact i own a subaru and never got confused with which way to go and also the fact l used to own a ba ( manual version though) and have driven various ba auto's with sequencial shift. I personaly think seqential is absolutly nothing like driving a manual car and as au11 should have stated above: Down to shift down and up to shift up( says it all in my opinion)

[WILDTRAKPX2]

Originally Posted by AU-MUSTD

Based on the fact i own a subaru and never got confused with which way to go and also the fact l used to own a ba ( manual version though) and have driven various ba auto's with sequencial shift. I personaly think seqential is absolutly nothing like driving a manual car and as au11 should have stated above: Down to shift down and up to shift up( says it all in my opinion)

Says what exactly?

[AU-MUSTD]

Originally Posted by Shockwave XR8

Says what exactly?

Do you not understand what l said???? Push shift up( gear go up) pull shift down( gear go down)

[RAREV8]

Originally Posted by AU-MUSTD

Do you not understand what l said???? Push shift up( gear go up) pull shift down( gear go down)

I think what most people who agree that Ford have done it the right way are saying so because you use the manual mode when driving in a more aggressive way- hence the direction of gearchange goes the correct way when taking the G forces and body movement into consideration

This being the reason that touring cars, etc chose this way to do it.

I.e when you accellerate, you get pushed back in your seat so it is easier to change up a gear by then pulling back.

Its a poll so everyone is entitled to their opinion, I'm just reiterating why it is done this way!

[Mechan1k]

That's why Ford used it.
Mitsubishi on the other hand did it the other way cos their cars were designed for cardigan wearers ... and there is no G-force involved.

They just made it easier for geriatrics .. up gear goes forward ... YAY *clap hands*

just joking (but i could be right)

[Des]

Originally Posted by Mechan1k

That's why Ford used it.
Mitsubishi on the other hand did it the other way cos their cars were designed for cardigan wearers ... and there is no G-force involved.

That's funny!! :nutsycuck