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View Poll Results: Would you buy a front wheel drive Falcon. | |||
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32 | 8.40% |
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349 | 91.60% |
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NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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old school or holden if they do
? what happens to the v8 suoercars, bathurst etc ? |
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Voted yes, The missus has an 05 Magna and for 99.99% of the time it will do what a RWD vehicle will, and use less fuel doing it. Maybe at 10/10th it's not as controllable but at the end of the day who drives there on as daily basis.
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Remember this leak?
![]() I wouldn't be toooo devastated if they replaced the Falcon with an AWD EcoBoost Taurus and called it a Falcon. It beats FWD. |
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Recently a heap of cobra's / gt's sold of based on our proud past, and then we are supposed to forget and move onto into the bubble car over night. change, i suppose that is the one constant. |
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When since did what the factory offers as a daily drive have anything to do with V8 super cars?
Even if the Falcon is released as a FWD or even AWD, project blue print would soon have them set up the same anyway. |
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Gee this is frustrating, I don't see how can it make sense. Just staying within Australia to start with, if they change to a fwd Falcon (assuming it is a good car & cheaper than now) I'd expect sedan sales to decrease possibly 25%. Fleets don't care so there might be some increase there due to cost saving, although things like fwd CV joints not to mention teething issues would have an impact on running costs. Private sales would have to decrease significantly (half?). Assuming the ute was dropped, ute sales would be decimated, as I'm not sure more than 1/3 of buyers would have Ford loyalty to buy a Ranger, they would be on the open market. Territory is a different case as you can successfully set up an SUV off a fwd platform given centre diff tuning. Going outside Australia, there are 130-160,000 Mustangs sold each year in the US alone. Between that, Falcon and a premium rwd sedan in North America, Middle East and possibly other parts of the world surely we have enough volume to support a rwd platform. The real spanner in the works is the US CAFE regulations, which increase from requiring 27.5mpg (8.5L/100) for cars and 22.7mpg (10.3L/100) for light trucks, SUVs etc (US gallons of course) currently, to 35mpg (6.7L/100) for all light vehicles in 2020. You can see how every last mpg will count when car economy is required to offset F150s and Explorers... |
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No I am not convinced it is. Evidence suggests all that will happen is defection from the blue oval brand will quicken especially if Holden (again) retain the platform. Removing choice on this issue has to be across the board, not a selection of it. If that were to happen then I agree, it’s a new ball game and the consumer is again free to pick the best of a bad situation. If we are saying that the current choice is preventing FWD from reaching their full potential then we also have to say that leaving the choice to the opposition will result in significant loss of market share in the category in question. If we are saying that removing choice from only part of the consumer menu will result in more brand loyalty then I wouldn't like to be working for Ford Aust.
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I addressed what I think will happen to sales, fleets could care less if a car is fwd vs rwd so cost will still be more of a factor, if the fwd car has favourable running costs it will still do ok. Obviously private sales is a different matter, I agree with you there - but don't forget the proportion of Falcons sold to fleets.
In the second sentence you quoted I was trying to say that some more people might have bought Taurus or Mondeo if they were locally produced - it has significant implications for parts & servicing cost and availability. |
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Which is why I said what I did.
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Anyone think if Ford offered 0% interest Finance on Falcon they could shift them out the door?
Its fairly popular in the US with some less 'popular' models. You can get a Ford Fusion on 0% interest for 36months. Hell if you could get this on a Falcon id probably get one.... Actually its a minimum of 0% for 36 months, apparently you can get as much as 60 months interest free.
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FWD would just kill the Falcon overnight, it would lose most of its uniqueness.
AWD just loses FWD's advantage over RWD, its heavier, more expensive and results in higher fuel economy, so FWD for base models and AWD for upper level and performance versions basically means stuff all savings in economy or price across the range. Its pointless. Who cares if RWD uses 0.2 litres per 100 km more in petrol, that is f all. |
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Rebodied Taurus coming?
At least give us the Four wheel drive model. If we have to have it. it has a horrid interior though. |
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The refusal by Ford au to come out and give a straight out no is answer enough for me.
But then again, I'm an enthusiast and the fact that my last three cars have been new falcons means I'm irrelevant.
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Firstly, get the septic tanks to make the Muzzy FWD and see how that sells over a 3 year period before stuffing with local product.
Then go visit BMW and ask why they persist with rear wheel drive. I would never buy a front wheel drive Falcon either, I reckon the septic tanks would go mad over our Falcon such as F6, GT ETC. If your not going to have a RWD Falcon kill it off completely and try and survive on Mondeo (FoMoCo wont be able to, cant market an ice cream on a hot day). |
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It would be a cold day in hell if I ever put a dollar toward a FWD Falcon. I'd rather drive a Crappadore. If ever those Finance/Global/Marketing/Dipshits try and ram a FWD falcon down our throats I will NEVER EVER Buy a new FORD Product again. For a Blue Blooded Bloke like myself who has owned 9 Falcons. 1 XY, 2XBs, 2XCs, 1 EB, 1XH, 1BA, 1BF. One Lazer, and one Territory. That is it, Gloves are off. I'll even go so far as to start Barracking for Holden Race teams!.............. No wait not that far. I'll just do something else on the weekends, Like instal a glass panel into the A piller on my new "cough" VE Crappadore "Gagg".... Tough to swallow But I'll Bloody do it, Mark my words. FWD Falcon....... Frikkin, Knuckleheads! |
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It would go down as one of the worst marketing decisions in Australian history.
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For Toyota, probably because it has added incremental sales in a segment they have failed at but for Ford to look at Aurion numbers and think they could better them just because it was called a Falcon, well that a stretch. If you said Aurion was at 50% of RWD Falcon sales, that is probably where you would expect a FWD Falcon to sit on average. That number wouldn’t work.
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Most of you boofheads on here are missing the point all together.
THE FALCON IS NOT SELLING - Ford Australia cannot afford to invest $500 million each 7-8 years, for a car that will only sell 3000 - 3500 a month, and that's an optimistic figure. We've just had a brand new falcon go on sale, the best ever, and I love it, but the fact is that it's not selling enough to make a business case for it. Unfortunately history does not matter, enthusiasts do not matter, the bottom line is the bottom dollar - Are we making a profit? If the answer is no, then things must change. As much as i'm a blue blooded ford fan, love my V8's, love the turbo sixes and love the RWD, i'm also a realist. The reality is that we will not see another home grown Falcon ever again. Did someone mention Focus????
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Falcons have for years been the best car for towing loads short of larger and more expensive Four wheel drives. As someone who needs my daily to tow a race car around for long distances every second weekend, I would not consider buying a FWD of any sort for this reason alone. Towing a heavy load with the front wheels draggin all the weight is no fun
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I think Ford has got it wrong, Falcon is not the problem, it is Ford's marketing people, Falcon should have gone global, Falcon is excellent value for money compares to some German RWD cars, and yet those German RWD cars can survive in much smaller sale volume in Australia because they are selling all over the world. If Ford can spend money to convert their USA cars into RHD and sell them here, why can't they spend the money to convert Falcon into LHD and sell it all over there and Europe? Let's face the facts that Falcon handles, rides and looks much better than some of those US Ford cars. With A$ drops below US$0.70, it is also good economy sense to export Aussie cars.
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