Falcon better than Taurus?

[jpd80]

Actually, I think the Fusion V6 AWD would be a vehicle a lot of people would enjoy,
Mondeo sized, heaps of grunt, plenty of grip and about Falcon I-6's weight.
I could imagine that vehicle with a 300 hp 3.7 V6 or even better, the V6 Ecoboost...

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Actually, I think the Fusion V6 AWD would be a vehicle a lot of people would enjoy,
Mondeo sized, heaps of grunt, plenty of grip and about Falcon I-6's weight.
I could imagine that vehicle with a 300 hp 3.7 V6 or even better, the V6 Ecoboost...

Perhaps but...look at the Subaru Liberty, it's hardly setting the world on fire with sales and Subaru pride themselves on their AWD lineup. Personally I don't think its something that Aussie buyers utterly desire. Look at the AWD/RWD split of the Territory - only 40% of them are AWD. Different car and segment I know, but it makes you wonder why it is so. The answer from where I see it is that people arent really fussed.

[vp920b]

Taurus a lot worst than Falcon FG to be honest.

Steering, handling, suspension, are soft, very american car. Feels solid but Falcon FAAARRRRR better than Taurus.

V6 engine but no torque at all, from 30MPH-60/70MPH are soo long, but falcon FG was very fast and torquey.

Last december I went from LA to SF using that car. And I was really disappointing with the car(from what I knew falcon-taurus same chassis? CMIIW)

But overall with $26,000 in US price tag, I will take that car. Cheap, very good fuel econ 1L:12-13KM, and still ride like a softer ride of Merc.

Thanks

[TC200six]

Originally Posted by vp920b

Last december I went from LA to SF using that car. And I was really disappointing with the car(from what I knew falcon-taurus same chassis? CMIIW)

But overall with $26,000 in US price tag, I will take that car. Cheap, very good fuel econ 1L:12-13KM, and still ride like a softer ride of Merc.

Thanks

Lucky you, at least you got a drive of one. I've been over there twice and hopefully next time I'll finally get a Ford for a rental car.

Were you asking if Falcon and Taurus share the same chassis? If so, the answer is no. Taurus uses the Ford D3 platform while the Falcon's platform is currently known as E8...?

[FPV]

Facelifted Taurus launched:

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/04/19/2...urus-revealed/
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/04/19/2...-sho-revealed/

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by FPV

Facelifted Taurus launched:

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/04/19/2...urus-revealed/
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/04/19/2...-sho-revealed/

That SHO looks awful. The standard one doesnt look too bad I guess, but you can definitely see the corporate styling direction starting to come out:

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Also note the comments about grille shutters for the Ecoboost - I wonder if the Falcon will get this?

[fou_bleu]

I liked the 2010/2011 model heaps and this 2013 model really builds on that! The SHO is pure horn!!!!! And that interior! We can only wish! /sigh...

[Paxton]

Interesting...

I like the new Taurus SHO. It actually looks like a 21st Century Crown Victoria.

[GS608]

whats the bet those headlights will be identical to the new falc? Bring across Taurus styling elements to the Falcon to limit the impact once they dump falc and import the T

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by 5.0

whats the bet those headlights will be identical to the new falc? Bring across Taurus styling elements to the Falcon to limit the impact once they dump falc and import the T

That's what I started thinking when I saw the pics.

I would say the Falcon (FG2) is gonna look very similar.

[Road_Warrior]

Someone else has said that the headlights aren't changing.

[fou_bleu]

The negatards are out in force! :P Ever heard of something called 'design language'? ;)

[ondori]

I can see a little mustang style in the 2013 Taurus.

So in 2013 when Falcon, Taurus becomes one, and mustang becomes the two door variation, people will be able to notice the similarities with the then current models and not be as shocked.

Taurus is Better because It has SYNC.™

[Chilliman]

I can see some Audi in all that

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by ondori

I can see a little mustang style in the 2013 Taurus.

So in 2013 when Falcon, Taurus becomes one, and mustang becomes the two door variation, people will be able to notice the similarities with the then current models and not be as shocked.

Taurus is Better because It has SYNC.™

^^^^^ Drive's next Holden Infomertial...err, speculation report.....

You think Falcon fans are a tough crowd.......the day Ford does a FWD Mustang
is the day the Mustang crowd turn into a linch mob and hang the CEO....

[au2000]

im not due for a new car for another 4 years, however with the current ford line up, it would be a g6e or fpv gs... i guess ill see what happens then, if there is no falcon to pick from, i'll just go to the last ones available as second hand..

[Bobman]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Someone else has said that the headlights aren't changing.

Wouldn't surprise me if the FG2 does have similar or identical headlights to the new Territory.

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by Paxton

Interesting...

I like the new Taurus SHO. It actually looks like a 21st Century Crown Victoria.

I sort of get a vague crown vic impression... yes. Still looks terrible though.

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

That SHO looks awful. The standard one doesnt look too bad I guess, but you can definitely see the corporate styling direction starting to come out:

[img][/img]



Also note the comments about grille shutters for the Ecoboost - I wonder if the Falcon will get this?

I think the "restyled" Taurus looks worse. All these straight edges, and big protruding grilles. It's starting to look more like a Toyota. The old Taurus had the right stuff in terms of looks... but it's still too fat and bulky.

I don't think this has introduced any styling hints of the next falcon at all.

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by jpd80

^^^^^ Drive's next Holden Infomertial...err, speculation report.....

You think Falcon fans are a tough crowd.......the day Ford does a FWD Mustang
is the day the Mustang crowd turn into a linch mob and hang the CEO....

It's this current Taurus that's dead. At least Falcon as a three year old platform going for it, that is used for what it's designed for.

Look out Taurus I say.

[Ford Falcon XR6]

Just thought i'd compare the specs of the 2 base models

Base model XT FG --- Base model Taurus

Weight: 1704kg --- 1821kg
Max Power (Kw): 195kW @ 6000rpm --- 196kW @ 6250rpm
Max. Torque: 391Nm @ 3250rpm --- 337nm @ 4500rpm
Length (mm): 4955mm --- 5153mm
Width (mm): 1869mm --- 1935mm
Height (mm): 1453mm --- 1541mm
Fuel Consumption
City(l/100km): 9.9L/100km --- 13.0L/100km
Highway (l/100km): Not found --- 8.4/100km
Wheel Base (mm): 2838mm --- 2867mm
Engine: 4.0Litre (3984cc)Inline 6 --- 3.5-litre V6 Duratec
Power to Weight
Ratio (kW/kg): 8.74:1 kW/kg --- 9.29:1 kW/kg

This is comparing all the specs that i could find (couldn't find highway comsumption of falcon) I really can't see how the Taurus is better in any way i'll try to do one of these of the top of the range preformance models in the coming days

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Ford Falcon XR6

Just thought i'd compare the specs of the 2 base models

Base model XT FG --- Base model Taurus

Weight: 1704kg --- 1821kg
Max Power (Kw): 195kW @ 6000rpm --- 196kW @ 6250rpm
Max. Torque: 391Nm @ 3250rpm --- 337nm @ 4500rpm
Length (mm): 4955mm --- 5153mm
Width (mm): 1869mm --- 1935mm
Height (mm): 1453mm --- 1541mm
Fuel Consumption
City(l/100km): 9.9L/100km --- 13.0L/100km
Highway (l/100km): Not found --- 8.4/100km
Wheel Base (mm): 2838mm --- 2867mm
Engine: 4.0Litre (3984cc)Inline 6 --- 3.5-litre V6 Duratec
Power to Weight
Ratio (kW/kg): 8.74:1 kW/kg --- 9.29:1 kW/kg

This is comparing all the specs that i could find (couldn't find highway comsumption of falcon) I really can't see how the Taurus is better in any way i'll try to do one of these of the top of the range preformance models in the coming days

Geebus the Taurus likes a drink thats for sure, weight and lower torque probably cause that.
I still like that look of it though.

[XR Martin]

Since when is Falcon's city fuel average 9.9L/100km?
Falcons Urban consumption is 13.8L/100km according to Ford.com.au
Its overall average is 9.9L/100km

Anyway fuel economy standards between Oz and US are different.

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by DJM83

Geebus the Taurus likes a drink thats for sure, weight and lower torque probably cause that.
I still like that look of it though.

Fusion could probably get slightly bigger, and they could sell the Mondeo in the U.S.

They could make the Falcon the next global largey. And the Taurus in it's current layout could become some futile Ford attempt at a BMW X6 competitor/under-cutter. Especially with those tall lines.

[Ford Falcon XR6]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Since when is Falcon's city fuel average 9.9L/100km?
Falcons Urban consumption is 13.8L/100km according to Ford.com.au
Its overall average is 9.9L/100km

Anyway fuel economy standards between Oz and US are different.

Sorry mate this was what the site i was using said i did convert the MPG to Litres pre 100k's

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Buntz93ED

Fusion could probably get slightly bigger, and they could sell the Mondeo in the U.S.

They could make the Falcon the next global largey. And the Taurus in it's current layout could become some futile Ford attempt at a BMW X6 competitor/under-cutter. Especially with those tall lines.

IMO they need to pick one and use it as the global platform (not model) and use is around the globe be it FWD/RWD/AWD or let it be best adapted to which driveline best suits where ever the car is being built. Same with the Tech aswell. But that said i guess then they need to settle on engines aswell its not as easy as pick one and go.

[FPV GTHO]

Next global large car is set, thats CD4. Taurus and Falcon will only ever be a sideshow to that.

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by DJM83

IMO they need to pick one and use it as the global platform (not model) and use is around the globe be it FWD/RWD/AWD or let it be best adapted to which driveline best suits where ever the car is being built. Same with the Tech aswell. But that said i guess then they need to settle on engines aswell its not as easy as pick one and go.

However you look at it. Ford will still be playing in the V8 game. And to push a few more... I'd expect some kind of V8 Lincoln, even if it's a re-skinned Mustang. Europe are content with Mid-sizers, and if you want something big and fairly powerful... you'd have to get something Bavarian. So there could be a market there for Falcon. But then it'd have to be our higher trim levels to fit in.

AWD is important to countries with snow. We have that tech here with Terri.

So globally Ford has the stuff to play it big in the world market already with their cheap/efficient Mondeo/Fusion cars. But in the class above... Falcon is the only serious car worth considering to take to further heights. Or just not bother with large cars at all. They way they could flog a few more SUV's here and there.

Thing is... there is still lots of confusion in the empire about how and where they're gonna go, and with what. So 'One Ford' is a bit of a hindrance in that regard, as you really have to sit down and think about the future. But I'd be more inclined to think that anything that does go global will more likely be of a design from the US... at that's just the way they go. It may be a global car company... but it's still American.

[Ford Falcon XR6]

Originally Posted by DJM83

IMO they need to pick one and use it as the global platform (not model) and use is around the globe be it FWD/RWD/AWD or let it be best adapted to which driveline best suits where ever the car is being built. Same with the Tech aswell. But that said i guess then they need to settle on engines aswell its not as easy as pick one and go.

Agree with this 100% like it or not 1 has got to go lets just hope it's not the
Falcon that goes

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by Ford Falcon XR6

Sorry mate this was what the site i was using said i did convert the MPG to Litres pre 100k's

9.9L is also Falcon's combined fuel economy. Not it's city economy figures.

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

Next global large car is set, thats CD4. Taurus and Falcon will only ever be a sideshow to that.

CD4 is a mid-size platform.