Covid 19 -

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Romulus

Yep, seems legit, it's from a credible source, SBS

as opposed to some indian guy on youtube?

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by prydey

as opposed to some indian guy on youtube?

Nope, Let me help you out...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3878266/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21623535
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25377033
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24995277
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21058170
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22099159
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364648/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17454560
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19106436
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3774468/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3697751/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21299355
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21907498
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11339848
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17674242
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21993250
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15780490
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12933322
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16870260
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19043938
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12142947
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24675092
Causal relationship between vaccine induced immunity and autism
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12849883
Subtle DNA changes and the overuse of vaccines in autism
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364648/
Vaccine and Autism- a New Scientific Review
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vaccines...ntific-review/
Summary of previous Journal of Immunology
http://danmurphydc.com/wordpress/wp-...SM-VACCINE.pdf
Autism and Resulting Medical Conditions:
http://www.tacanow.org/wp-content/up...april-2008.pdf .
Mercury toxic encephalopathy manifesting with clinical symptoms of regressive autistic disorders. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17454560
Relation of mercury to high autism rates in boys
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16264412
Elevated levels of measles in children with Autism
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12849883
Abnormal MMR antibodies in children with autism
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534
Tylenol, MMR and Autism - A parent survey study
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18445737
A Positive Association found between Autism Prevalence and Childhood Vaccination
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/conten...f2530332976261
Peer reviewed study on fetal cell contamination with retro virus associated with autism and cancer
http://www.globalresearch.ca/new-stu...ccines/5402912
Study documentation- Dr Deisher
http://www.ms.academicjournals.org/a...%20et%20al.pdf
Autism and mercury poisoning
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11339848
Hypothesis: conjugate vaccines may predispose children to autism spectrum disorders
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21993250
Rise in autism coincides with rise in vaccines
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21623535
A two-phase study evaluating the relationship between Thimerosal-containing vaccine administration and the risk for an autism spectrum disorder diagnosis in the United States
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3878266/
Elevated levels of measles antibodies in children with autism. - PubMed - NCBI
Pediatr Neurol. 2003 Apr;28(4):292-4. Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
A study published in the Journal of Biomedical Sciences determined that the autoimmunity to the central nervous system may play a causal role in autism. Researchers discovered that because many autistic children harbour elevated levels of measles antibodies, they should conduct a serological study of measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) and myelin basic protein (MBP) autoantibodies. They used serum samples of 125 autistic children and 92 controlled children. Their analysis showed a significant increase in the level of MMR antibodies in autistic children. The study concludes that the autistic children had an inappropriate or abnormal antibody response to MMR. The study determined that autism could be a result from an atypical measles infection that produces neurological symptoms in some children. The source of this virus could be a variant of MV, or it could be the MMR vaccine.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534
Doctors who explain clearly why vaccines aren't safe or effective.
1. Dr. Nancy Banks - http://bit.ly/1Ip0aIm
2. Dr. Russell Blaylock - http://bit.ly/1BXxQZL
3. Dr. Shiv Chopra - http://bit.ly/1gdgh1s
4. Dr. Sherri Tenpenny - http://bit.ly/1MPVbjx
5. Dr. Suzanne Humphries - http://bit.ly/17sKDbf
6. Dr. Larry Palevsky - http://bit.ly/1LLEjf6
7. Dr. Toni Bark - http://bit.ly/1CYM9RB
8. Dr. Andrew Wakefield - http://bit.ly/1MuyNzo
9. Dr. Meryl Nass - http://bit.ly/1DGzJsc
10. Dr. Raymond Obomsawin - http://bit.ly/1G9ZXYl
11. Dr. Ghislaine Lanctot - http://bit.ly/1MrVeUL
12. Dr. Robert Rowen - http://bit.ly/1SIELeF
13. Dr. David Ayoub - http://bit.ly/1SIELve
14. Dr. Boyd Haley PhD - http://bit.ly/1KsdVby
15. Dr. Rashid Buttar - http://bit.ly/1gWOkL6
16. Dr. Roby Mitchell - http://bit.ly/1gdgEZU
17. Dr. Ken Stoller - http://bit.ly/1MPVqLI
18. Dr. Mayer Eisenstein - http://bit.ly/1LLEqHH
19. Dr. Frank Engley, PhD - http://bit.ly/1OHbLDI
20. Dr. David Davis - http://bit.ly/1gdgJwo
21. Dr Tetyana Obukhanych - http://bit.ly/16Z7k6J
22. Dr. Harold E Buttram - http://bit.ly/1Kru6Df
23. Dr. Kelly Brogan - http://bit.ly/1D31pfQ
24. Dr. RC Tent - http://bit.ly/1MPVwmu
25. Dr. Rebecca Carley - http://bit.ly/K49F4d
26. Dr. Andrew Moulden - http://bit.ly/1fwzKJu
27. Dr. Jack Wolfson - http://bit.ly/1wtPHRA
28. Dr. Michael Elice - http://bit.ly/1KsdpKA
29. Dr. Terry Wahls - http://bit.ly/1gWOBhd
30. Dr. Stephanie Seneff - http://bit.ly/1OtWxAY
31. Dr. Paul Thomas - http://bit.ly/1DpeXPf
32. Many doctors talking at once - http://bit.ly/1MPVHOv
33. Dr. Richard Moskowitz - censored
34. Dr. Jane Orient - http://bit.ly/1MXX7pb
35. Dr. Richard Deth - http://bit.ly/1GQDL10
36. Dr. Lucija Tomljenovic - http://bit.ly/1eqiPr5
37. Dr Chris Shaw - http://bit.ly/1IlGiBp
38. Dr. Susan McCreadie - http://bit.ly/1CqqN83
39. Dr. Mary Ann Block - http://bit.ly/1OHcyUX
40. Dr. David Brownstein - http://bit.ly/1EaHl9A
41. Dr. Jayne Donegan - http://bit.ly/1wOk4Zz
42. Dr. Troy Ross - censored
43. Dr. Philip Incao - http://bit.ly/1ghE7sS
44. Dr. Joseph Mercola - http://bit.ly/18dE38I
45. Dr. Jeff Bradstreet - http://bit.ly/1MaX0cC
46. Dr. Robert Mendelson - http://bit.ly/1JpAEQr
47. Dr Theresa Deisher https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=6Bc6WX33SuE
48. Dr. Sam Eggertsen-https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8LB-3xkeDAE
Hundreds more doctors testifying that vaccines aren't safe or effective, in these documentaries....
1. Vaccination - The Silent Epidemic - http://bit.ly/1vvQJ2W
2. The Greater Good - http://bit.ly/1icxh8j
3. Shots In The Dark - http://bit.ly/1ObtC8h
4. Vaccination The Hidden Truth - http://bit.ly/KEYDUh
5. Vaccine Nation - http://bit.ly/1iKNvpU
6. Vaccination - The Truth About Vaccines - http://bit.ly/1vlpwvU
7. Lethal Injection - http://bit.ly/1URN7BJ
8. Bought - http://bit.ly/1M7YSlr
9. Deadly Immunity - http://bit.ly/1KUg64Z
10. Autism - Made in the USA - http://bit.ly/1J8WQN5
11. Beyond Treason - http://bit.ly/1B7kmvt
12. Trace Amounts - http://bit.ly/1vAH3Hv
13. Why We Don't Vaccinate - http://bit.ly/1KbXhuf

[nuthin' fancy]

I like this thread when there's no bickering.

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by nuthin' fancy

I like this thread when there's no bickering.

Ow do you!? Who gives a dam what you think?!








See what I did there?!

[Syndrome]

Stirling Moss has just passed away and shockingly it doesn't appear to be due to the Corona virus.

[ljf12]

Search “How come Australia suddenly has billions of dollars to pay for welfare.”
I don’t know how to add a link, it is a news report that talks about pulling cash out of your bum.
Will they ever actually pay it back ?

[GO FURTHER]

Originally Posted by ljf12

Search “How come Australia suddenly has billions of dollars to pay for welfare.”
I don’t know how to add a link, it is a news report that talks about pulling cash out of your bum.
Will they ever actually pay it back ?

That is a very good article, that more people should read and try to understand.

Covid19-how-australia-is-paying-for-welfare

People have often wondered, with every country, producing more and more debt every year, that surely the day of reckoning will come, and the whole world financial system will collapse.

For example the current US national debt is US$24 trillion, and accounts for 70% of debt against their GDP.

Australia currently stands at US$637 billion debt, and accounts for 48% of debt against GDP.

Governments can just keep printing money it seems out of thin air, and seemingly keep doing it, with no questions asked or consequences.
And even inflation can be keep under control while doing this!

Will the Australian government just print the money it needs to cover the $200Billion worth of Stimulus and relief handouts it's giving at this time?

Well, as the article said, "About three weeks ago, on March 19, the Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) announced it would commence a type of emergency monetary policy action it had never attempted before - 'quantitative easing' or QE".

So Maybe.

So how can the US and other governments around the world just keep printing money?

Well, there's main 3 reasons;

1. As an individual, you can only borrow so much money and are given a limited time to repay it. Like a 30 year mortgage on your house.
Why... Very simply, because your life is finite, and you will die one day, and its hard to collect what you are owed from a dead person.

On the other hand, a government will never die.
It's lives or goes on forever, unless of course a country is overthrown, or the world ends.
The US government will still be here in one form or another, a 1000 years after you and I die.
There is no time limit constraint, to when they can stop borrowing.

2. Money does not really exist.
The total amount of world debt combined, exceeds the total amount of money that is in circulation today. There is not enough to ever pay it back even if everyone wanted to. Money has been created from nothing... (Printing).

3. The World debt is now so great... No one or any financial institution, or country is big enough to ever "call it in" and foreclose or demand it's paid back?
Because in doing so, would cause the entire world monetary system to collapse, and no one wants that.
The 1% of wealthiest individuals in the world that control most of the world's wealth would also no longer be wealthy.
You can only be a billionaire, if your "billions" are worth the "billions" we accept it to be.

[nuthin' fancy]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

Stirling Moss has just passed away and shockingly it doesn't appear to be due to the Corona virus.

I heard a quote from Moss, an inveterate root-rat,

"Sex is like corners in car racing. Slow in, fast out and you last much longer."

[FairmontGS]

Some common sense science-based podcasting to put to deep state nut jobs you may encounter

https://theconversation.com/expert-g...-series-133258


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[CyberWasp]

The Prime Minister has a printer in his office.
He just hits the print button to generate more money.
There is no need to be worried.

[FairmontGS]

Actual origins of the Coronavirus in case you encounter a deep state nut job who thinks it was invented by the CIA or China

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0317175442.htm


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[oldel]

Because of covid19 I learnt about steak uum and it's armchair beef commentator.

What is steak-uum? Some cheap frozen beef sold in the USA but the twitter account is gold.
https://twitter.com/steak_umm/status...40942924890112

E: Just realised you have to click 'show this thread' for their multi part posts. I don't even have a twitter account and this is the only time I ever felt like reading posts there.

The night is dark and full of beef ghosts

[CyberWasp]

If you are bored and want to learn about the spread of germs in layman's terms.

This really highlights how simple it all is and how to minimise your chances of picking this or things like the regular flu up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5-dI74zxPg&t=339s

[marty351]

Oh Dear Lord.

[Franco Cozzo]

Notice that Taiwan isn't getting any recognition from the WHO about their handling of COVID19? Taiwan has a similar population to Australia with under 400 cases.

Maybe because WHO is on CCP payroll, it seems anyone who recognises Taiwan as 'Taiwan' rather than 'Taipei' goes on CCP ****list:

QANTAS:

https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...07-p4zk0h.html

Australian Government:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...24-p50bj5.html

Rockhampton Council:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-...er-qld/9739574

[smoo]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Notice that Taiwan isn't getting any recognition from the WHO about their handling of COVID19? Taiwan has a similar population to Australia with under 400 cases.

Maybe because WHO is on CCP payroll, it seems anyone who recognises Taiwan as 'Taiwan' rather than 'Taipei' goes on CCP ****list:

QANTAS:

https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...07-p4zk0h.html

Australian Government:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...24-p50bj5.html

Rockhampton Council:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-...er-qld/9739574

This video briefly touches on the qualifications, his dubious past and Chinese links of the WHO director general.
As mentioned in the video, will mainstream press do some digging and perhaps feature a half hour segment on 60 minutes etc... highly unlikely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPSlqF5pjrw&t=5s

[guzzis3]

I read a few forums. They all have virus threads. Most are unreadable,consumed by personal attacks conspiracy theories and every other type of BS. This is the only thread I'm still reading, because while there is some of that the signal to noise and the level of mutual respect is acceptable.

Give yourselves a small (and isolated) round of applause.

I've not much to add, except I'm increasingly convinced the qld governments handling of the isolation is revenue raising to make up for fewer speeding fines. I truly hope they are voted out convincingly later in the year. I'm pretty cynical and expect very little of governments but this has even surprised me. They really are fwits...

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by guzzis3

I read a few forums. They all have virus threads. Most are unreadable,consumed by personal attacks conspiracy theories and every other type of BS. This is the only thread I'm still reading, because while there is some of that the signal to noise and the level of mutual respect is acceptable.

Give yourselves a small (and isolated) round of applause.

I've not much to add, except I'm increasingly convinced the qld governments handling of the isolation is revenue raising to make up for fewer speeding fines. I truly hope they are voted out convincingly later in the year. I'm pretty cynical and expect very little of governments but this has even surprised me. They really are fwits...

There’s no reason these conversations can’t be respectful, identity politics should go back to the dumpster it surfaced from so we can talk these things out without the need for calling people names which only undermines the content that follows it.

[Franco Cozzo]

Identity politics is so much fun though

Its easier to accuse someone of something and then make them prove themselves innocent than provide examples trying to prove your point

[Citroënbender]

I have to disagree with you. Allowing that, lets in the real sociopaths as they blend with the stirrers while getting the lay of the land. By the time they really start spreading their poison, they’ve established (undeserved) credibility.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

I have to disagree with you. Allowing that, lets in the real sociopaths as they blend with the stirrers while getting the lay of the land. By the time they really start spreading their poison, they’ve established (undeserved) credibility.

Sarcasm bud - I hate identity politics but I do enjoy a bit of a stir, I like people to have a think about a topic a little deeper and I do it by being outrageous or picking the side opposite the majority.

People are very willing to take something on face value and argue from emotional rather than logical standpoints as well as quoting one source of news, you really should be looking at multiple 'news' sources and looking into both sides of an argument to form your own opinions.

Ie - don't take everything Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt say as gospel on 3AW or Sky News, I suspect they will filter arguments catering toward their audiences, likewise for some of the Twitterati like Clementine Ford, sources like the ABC, Guardian et al.

Look into both sides of the argument, look at multiple sources and form your own opinions.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Sarcasm bud - I hate identity politics but I do enjoy a bit of a stir, I like people to have a think about a topic a little deeper and I do it by being outrageous or picking the side opposite the majority.



People are very willing to take something on face value and argue from emotional rather than logical standpoints as well as quoting one source of news, you really should be looking at multiple 'news' sources and looking into both sides of an argument to form your own opinions.



Ie - don't take everything Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt say as gospel on 3AW or Sky News, I suspect they will filter arguments catering toward their audiences, likewise for some of the Twitterati like Clementine Ford, sources like the ABC, Guardian et al.



Look into both sides of the argument, look at multiple sources and form your own opinions.

The Trump administration is holding up Covid 19 Vaccine development, something to do with aborted human fetal cells. Killing babies to make vaccines?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Romulus

The Trump administration is holding up Covid 19 Vaccine development, something to do with aborted human fetal cells. Killing babies to make vaccines?image

*this post obviously contains a joke and or jokes and does not represent the opinion and or opinions of one AFF member known as 'Franco Cozzo'.

[FairmontGS]

Science Daily has a good short piece on conspiracy theorists and why they think "someone" is "responsible" for whatever it is that ails them.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0925075108.htm

"These people tend to be more suspicious, untrusting, eccentric, needing to feel special, with a tendency to regard the world as an inherently dangerous place,"

"They are also more likely to detect meaningful patterns where they might not exist. People who are reluctant to believe in conspiracy theories tend to have the opposite qualities."

Then there's the 2 constant themes recurrent in every theorist's beliefs:

1. "The power held by heads of state is second to that of small unknown groups who really control world politics," and
2. "Groups of scientists manipulate, fabricate or suppress evidence in order to deceive the public."

and

"...if you are the type of person who looks out at the world and sees a chaotic, malevolent landscape full of senseless injustice and suffering, then perhaps there is a modicum of comfort to be found in the notion that there is someone, or some small group of people, responsible for it all. If 'there's something going on,' then at least there is something that could be done about it."

[pottery beige]

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[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

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[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

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#romulus

[smoo]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Science Daily has a good short piece on conspiracy theorists and why they think "someone" is "responsible" for whatever it is that ails them.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0925075108.htm

"These people tend to be more suspicious, untrusting, eccentric, needing to feel special, with a tendency to regard the world as an inherently dangerous place,"

"They are also more likely to detect meaningful patterns where they might not exist. People who are reluctant to believe in conspiracy theories tend to have the opposite qualities."

Then there's the 2 constant themes recurrent in every theorist's beliefs:

1. "The power held by heads of state is second to that of small unknown groups who really control world politics," and
2. "Groups of scientists manipulate, fabricate or suppress evidence in order to deceive the public."

and

"...if you are the type of person who looks out at the world and sees a chaotic, malevolent landscape full of senseless injustice and suffering, then perhaps there is a modicum of comfort to be found in the notion that there is someone, or some small group of people, responsible for it all. If 'there's something going on,' then at least there is something that could be done about it."

Apart from that last paragraph, the term conspiracy theory suggests all info from government, govt funded organisations and media is the truth and the only truth. This is an effective way of mind control, and equally effective way to ostracise anyone that questions the status quo.

How far fetched does a conspiracy theory have to be?

Consider this mild example from New Zealand last year, with the socialist Ardern and her incompetent Labour government that are immune from any press scrutiny.

Her Government holds a Labour youth summer camp, where government employees and volunteers illegally supply excess amounts of alcohol to underage kids.
Four 16 year old kids are sexually assaulted at the camp by a 21 year old male. This was kept from the public for 6 weeks. Victims weren't advised to go to the police or offered counselling services. The opposite has been reported by the teens.
The press get hold of the story while the same time the Govt goes into damage control. ALL social media pics of the night are erased from the internet.
The suspect has a very prolonged (19 months) trial. He is the son of a high up Government minister. The judge is the brother in law of an ex Labour politician who is still active behind the scenes.
Suspect pleaded guilty and is discharged without conviction and still has name suppression.
So called feminist prime minister denies all knowledge of it.

MeToo is trending across the globe at the same time yet fails to gain traction in NZ because of this.
Feminist journos loyal to the prime minister band together and rip up their onslaught of male guilt inducing MeToo opinion pieces they were ready to publish (this is my assumption but prob not far from the truth).

Mainstream press does their best to help the govt sweep this **** up under the rug.
After a few days it was third page news.

This progressive Govt is operating the equivalent of an 'old boys club'. The Govt trivialised young sexual assault victims and tried to silence them. The Govt also managed to erase all photos and videos from the net of that weekend.

Anyone pointing these facts out is considered a conspiracy theorist because the media are too gutless to report facts and government employees did a good job of saving their cushy 6 figure incomes.

[Franco Cozzo]

Talking about conspiracy theories has anyone had Arnott's Savoury Shapes recently? Quality has gone down hill big time, most of the time they're under cooked and have **** all salt on then and other times they're spot on but it's rare these days unfortunately.

I swear it's those bastard cyclists who have it in for us fat blokes who enjoy making poor life choices on a consistent basis.

[PG2]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Talking about conspiracy theories has anyone had Arnott's Savoury Shapes recently? Quality has gone down hill big time, most of the time they're under cooked and have **** all salt on then and other times they're spot on but it's rare these days unfortunately.

I swear it's those bastard cyclists who have it in for us fat blokes who enjoy making poor life choices on a consistent basis.

On that note the thread is closed. I will think about it over the next 24 hours whether to re-open it or not.

Anyone seen posting about COVID-19 or anything associated with COVID-19 in any other area of the forum will have their post deleted and may find themselves not having any further opportunity to post in this thread if or when it re-opens.




In the meantime why don't some of you have a look at some of the stuff in here...

https://www.fordforums.com.au/forumdisplay.php?f=111

After all, this is a Ford Forum.