Covid 19 -

[Metdevil]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

BTW, has NZ had ANY hotel leaks?

Can't think off the top of my head how many, but there were two notable instances.
One person sneaked out to go across the road to a supermarket, I think in the end he got sentenced to six months jail time
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...nd-supermarket

There was also an Australian family who left to go to a funeral. The mother got two weeks jail time.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cri...dy-of-kids-dad

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Anyone found out what this National Emergency means for the rest of the country yet?

.....it's a cry for help from NSW to the rest of the country, and that cry is please send Pfizer.

[XR Martin]

Returning citizens to Australia is well above 10x the amount of citizens who have returned to NZ.
So you can't really compare the two.
Maybe you could compare NZ to QLD.

[Yellow_Festiva]

What the hell is going on???

https://covidlive.com.au/

Today 24/7/21:



Yesterday 23/7/21:



21st July/21:



How are the totally vaccinated numbers going down??

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

"You people"...???

Cheers Billy

If the cap fits wear it

[Trevor 57]

Am I wrong, but does it seem that the 30 to 40 year olds are the super spreaders

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

What the hell is going on???

https://covidlive.com.au/

Today 24/7/21:

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Yesterday 23/7/21:

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21st July/21:

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How are the totally vaccinated numbers going down??

youll have to redirect all of gladbags redirected phiser to Vic now

[prydey]

https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...e4f2d2e167090d

Interesting article. Reading the comments would suggest there is a reasonable element of truth to it and its no wonder there appears to be high non compliance.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Am I wrong, but does it seem that the 30 to 40 year olds are the super spreaders

Yes, and also, the main spreaders are the ones allowed to leave home to go to work for essential reasons.

Last night I watched a clip about a chap that went to Bankstown hospital quite ill only to be tested positive and turned away to go home and recover with his GF and his elderly mum.

He did that till he got worse and called an ambulance to be taken to Liverpool hospital for treatment.

GF tests positive, mum tests negative.

10pm news last night - 2 nurses test positive at Bankstown Hospital.

Huge protest planned for the Sydney CBD today at noon. Interesting to see what happens.

[Metdevil]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

What the hell is going on???

How are the totally vaccinated numbers going down??

It changed from counting only 16+ to everyone. More total people = lower vaccinated percentage.
Maybe it's been approved for some people <16 now?

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Metdevil

It changed from counting only 16+ to everyone. More total people = lower vaccinated percentage.
Maybe it's been approved for some people <16 now?

Ahh yes,

Well pointed out.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Why aren't people getting stuck into the Premier of NSW for her lack of containment? You rip into the Victorian Premier but not the NSW

The art of gaslighting on full display. Where is all the focus? Not on their botched response. Yesterday's announcement now have fellow citizens questioning each other's motives. Now attacking and blaming other premiers. Bravo. Brilliant. Its always everyone else's fault.

Originally Posted by prydey

https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...e4f2d2e167090d

Interesting article. Reading the comments would suggest there is a reasonable element of truth to it and its no wonder there appears to be high non compliance.

It is this kind of thinking that doesn't really help invite other compatriots to want to do the heavy lifting and make sacrifices on their behalf. I'm sure a majority don't hold the same view, well, not from the colleagues I have dealt with living in that area.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by prydey

https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...e4f2d2e167090d

Interesting article. Reading the comments would suggest there is a reasonable element of truth to it and its no wonder there appears to be high non compliance.

Language barriers, give me a break, language barriers never stopped them from signing up to welfare or any other 'entitlements' but apparently they don't understand 'you can't'.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

I'm sure a majority don't hold the same view, well, not from the colleagues I have dealt with living in that area.

Yes, I'm sure it's a massive generalisation and perhaps even a minority however i was a bit surprised that this thinking actually exists and has support.

This is a virus. You can't win by defying logic. It spreads by people moving about. Stop moving about and the spread stops.

[Trevor 57]

I think there is a fair amount of '**** you' from certain members of the NSW community

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT July 23rd 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

162 new cases for Australia and 1 death so the CMR is 2.811%.

20 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.911%.

The UK had a lower 35,654 cases yesterday and lower 64 deaths for a CMR of 2.289%.

A higher 65,634 new cases in the USA yesterday and lower 409 deaths sees CMR at 1.778%.

Other notable points:
Asia passes 60M cases;

Algeria (1,350);
Kazakhstan (6,119);
Vietnam (7,307);
Cuba (7,784);
Malaysia (15,573); and
Thailand (14,475)

... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

Costa Rica moves above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period and no countries drop below.

[russellw]

I'm watching the United Kingdom closely to try and establish what their current non-lockdown CMR is like. The first set of data which is cases from 1/7-8/7 matched against deaths from 15/7-23/7 shows a CMR of 0.203% for that period which is not enough data to be definitive yet but which would lead us to conclude that:

- their average of 27,748 cases per day during that period resulted in ~56 deaths per day;

- their average cases per day since the 16/7 will result in ~75 deaths per day or 525 deaths in the next week or so.

Unfortunately, case numbers keep rising at the moment but if we work on the 15 day median of 40k cases per day that would equate to ~80 deaths per day or almost 30k annually.

Not for me to say whether that's an acceptable level although it is (at least) way better than the numbers based on their 2.3% CMR. It would equate to about 44 deaths per 100k of population compared to our current 3.5/100k so if we put that rate into Australian terms it would equate to ~11,500 deaths per annum.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by prydey

Stop moving about and the spread stops.

Fairly straight forward really isnt it and has worked for every other state.

Problem is Rob, its blatantly obvious that the message from the top hasn't been firm enough due to their stance on other states handling of their own outbreaks.
Its impossible to make the hard call now without looking like hypocrites which would undermine their positions in the eyes of the voting public, so rather than save the citizens of NSW from ongoing economic anguish via the same short, sharp full lockdowns we're experiencing and dealing with, they'd rather save their own political **** and drag it out hoping for a miracle so they can see, see, we did it.
Unfortunately due to the months of finger pointing at other states and the GSS propaganda, many people think Glady's way is the right way and have run with it no matter the cost.
Now they want the rest of the country to hand over their Pfizer so they can again attempt to dig their way out without taking the hard line.

[b0son]

I would target restrictions based on who hasnt vaccinated or who hasnt registered. We have those records now. The people most likely to spread it, should be the ones most impacted.

There are a few defining moments in human history/progress ... industrial revolution is one, the invention of the vaccine is another. If you want to opt out of the latter, you should lose some of the privileges that go with being a member of society. IMO, if you dont have a valid medical reason not to vaccinate, you should probably also be ejected from Medicare. We wont collect a medicare levy from you anymore, but you're on your own as far as healthcare is concerned. You cant have your cake and eat it too.

It might seem heavy-handed, but honestly, vaccination is a social responsibility probably even more so than paying tax, and we jail people for avoiding the latter....

[DoubleTrouble]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

I am no going to respond to any one person in this post but just a general comment

What does CCP, roads and ports have to do with COVID?

What aren't people as critical of the Labor Premier of W.A. or the Liberal Premier of Tasmania? or the Liberal Premier of S.A. - they have shut the borders tighter than fishes ****s?

Why aren't people getting stuck into the Premier of NSW for her lack of containment? You rip into the Victorian Premier but not the NSW

Why aren't people ripping into the Prime Minister for leading (again) an abysmal response?

You people are sounding like the masses who did the full hatchet job on Julia Gillard (which BTW still continues to day) - this is about the COVID

Grow up

I think you are carrying a chip on your shoulder as I have seen plenty of posts condemning other premiers and our beloved Scomo in this topic.
Same can be said to you with the comment of "grow Up" after reading some of your responses in this topic.
You have to remember everyone can see things differently contrary to your views.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Fairly straight forward really isnt it and has worked for every other state.

Problem is Rob, its blatantly obvious that the message from the top hasn't been firm enough due to their stance on other states handling of their own outbreaks.
Its impossible to make the hard call now without looking like hypocrites which would undermine their positions in the eyes of the voting public, so rather than save the citizens of NSW from ongoing economic anguish via the same short, sharp full lockdowns we're experiencing and dealing with, they'd rather save their own political **** and drag it out hoping for a miracle so they can see, see, we did it.
Unfortunately due to the months of finger pointing at other states and the GSS propaganda, many people think Glady's way is the right way and have run with it no matter the cost.
Now they want the rest of the country to hand over their Pfizer so they can again attempt to dig their way out without taking the hard line.

QLD and WA have both faired very well without using statewide lockdowns. Both used localised lockdowns, admittedly still covering large areas, and have been pretty successful in keeping the virus suppressed. QLD especially given the high traffic they would see with nsw visitors given they share a border.

Sure, NSW seemed to use a more tolerant approach but I still think the message was don't go out unless you have to. I still put the lion share of the blame on the individuals. We're over 18months in and people are still blaming others for stuff that is just logical in a pandemic.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by DoubleTrouble

I think you are carrying a chip on your shoulder as I have seen plenty of posts condemning other premiers and our beloved Scomo in this topic.
Same can be said to you with the comment of "grow Up" after reading some of your responses in this topic.
You have to remember everyone can see things differently contrary to your views.

trvr 57 cos done tafe cert iiiiv in ohs

[russellw]

Originally Posted by DoubleTrouble

I think you are carrying a chip on your shoulder as I have seen plenty of posts condemning other premiers and our beloved Scomo in this topic.
Same can be said to you with the comment of "grow Up" after reading some of your responses in this topic.
You have to remember everyone can see things differently contrary to your views.

That will be enough of that. If my warning wasn't clear enough to you, then this is an example of what I was referring to. Last chance.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by prydey

QLD and WA have both faired very well without using statewide lockdowns. Both used localised lockdowns, admittedly still covering large areas, and have been pretty successful in keeping the virus suppressed. QLD especially given the high traffic they would see with nsw visitors given they share a border.

Sure, NSW seemed to use a more tolerant approach but I still think the message was don't go out unless you have to. I still put the lion share of the blame on the individuals. We're over 18months in and people are still blaming others for stuff that is just logical in a pandemic.

SE Queensland as you know is like a state in itself so not surprising that outbreaks occur in this densely populated area and are easily contained using the same geographic boundaries.
WA is similar in that the majority of its population are in the SW corner.
The results from these area's is not surprising.
Compared to Victoria where you have a huge population central in the state or our own situation where this outbreak came through our main link to the eastern states, the river land, a region from where travelers spread out in all directions as they pass through.
Its quite obvious why we have gone full state considering.

I was in Renmark on Monday and it was spot the SA number plate amongst the lines of cars and vans streaming in from Mildura.
It was actually quite confronting sitting in the main street of Renmark enjoying a coffee surrounded by interstate visitors as i read the warnings of avoiding the area.

NSW method of locking down suburbs or council area's is a joke, could you imagine Marion/holdfast bay councils in lockdown whilst the rest of metropolitan Adelaide went about their business, no one would believe one side of the road is safer than the opposite due to council boundaries.

People will be people, you'll never get 100% compliance, we dont here despite our success in suppressing the virus, but if the majority do the right thing and i think we do, then the few that dont we can cover.

[prydey]

Like most things in life, rules only affect the honest people. Tightening legislation, generally only affects those who are already compliant.

It would be interesting to know how much of the virus spread is being caused by non compliance, and how much is from those who are out and about for legitimate reasons.

Either way I do agree its a bit rich for NSW to demand other states sacrifice some of their Pfizer supplies, given every state is supply limited already and have just as much need to vaccinate their populations regardless of the number of cases.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by prydey

Either way I do agree its a bit rich for NSW to demand other states sacrifice some of their Pfizer supplies, given every state is supply limited already and have just as much need to vaccinate their populations regardless of the number of cases.

Every outbreak started with an imported case. So the risk is ultimately based on exposure to people from overseas, be they visitors, returning expats, or flight crews. The vaccine distribution should reflect the relative levels of exposure, and Syd/Melb certainly shoulder far more of that risk than anywhere else.

[Mulva]

Why does Gladys want our stock of vaccines? Someone tell her it's not a race!

[lumen8]

Melbourne today...

https://twitter.com/OzraeliAvi/statu...57264865828864


Sydney...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1418760487827742720


Brisbane...

https://t.me/daveoneegschat/2377

[Metdevil]

Originally Posted by lumen8

Melbourne today...

https://twitter.com/OzraeliAvi/statu...57264865828864


Sydney...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1418760487827742720


Brisbane...

https://t.me/daveoneegschat/2377

Wow, lockdown protests in NZ were embarrassingly mild. NZers seem to be a lot more understanding of the situation, even the protesters split into two separate groups to ensure they didn't break the rule of social gatherings of more than 10 people

[prydey]

Originally Posted by b0son

Every outbreak started with an imported case. So the risk is ultimately based on exposure to people from overseas, be they visitors, returning expats, or flight crews. The vaccine distribution should reflect the relative levels of exposure, and Syd/Melb certainly shoulder far more of that risk than anywhere else.

The federal vaccine allocation takes all that in to consideration already. Its not evenly divided up between the states, and every state has the right to vaccinate its population, esp considering there are existing cases in each state already.

As for how the virus outbreaks originate, I'm not sure that's entirely correct. Did the 81 yr old who started the outbreak in SA really bring the virus with him from Argentina? I'm not sure but I believe there is a good chance he actually caught it in a NSW hospital.