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View Poll Results: What should the BAC for Australia be | |||
0.08 as it was for may years and is still so overseas |
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45 | 20.27% |
0.08 in the bush, 0.05 in the city and on highways |
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4 | 1.80% |
0.05 seems to be working well, leave it there |
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105 | 47.30% |
0.05 in the bush, 0.02 in the city and on highways |
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1 | 0.45% |
0.02 across the board |
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21 | 9.46% |
0.00000 as well as ZERO tolerance |
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30 | 13.51% |
Sliding scale, e.g. 0.08 first offence, 0.05 after that etc. |
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13 | 5.86% |
Something else, please detail |
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3 | 1.35% |
Voters: 222. You may not vote on this poll |
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This is true. You need to tell the whole story otherwise we wont get where you are coming from. HP4ME you asked these people you know if the limit was 0.00% would they still of drove. Well of course they are going to say no. They crashed and killed people, do you really think they would of said "Yeah I still would of drove" They probably regret that decision to drive, everyday So ask them if the limit was still 0.05% and they could go back and do it again, would they? I bet they will answer NO, even if that thought they were under at the time. |
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Taking into account the reported effects of a BAC of >0.03 perhaps a change in laws of a low grade offence with a fine and points at greater than 0.03 would be acceptable and a higher grade punishment with loss of license at levels greater than 0.05 would be a good idea. Just an idea and just throwing it out there. Personally I would not care as a level of 0.03 would still allow me to have my valued couple of light beers with friends, I could live with that and I feel that would be completely acceptable. PS Change that, I wanted to give you rep points but I gave you some recently so I can't.
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Gecko,
Many of your comments are well worth reading As has been the case on many occasions What i cant and never will understand is this, People make mistakes ,why we do well who knows We just do But it is all good to sit back after the fact ,say how easy it would have been to do different How many people have a drink or two and still think "Nah im fine" There are many people out there who drink and drive , even while driving the sip of liquor happens Its only when they are caught would it maybe sink in Till then they will continue on their bad habits How many people seriously know they are over or close and still take the risk ??? Maybe a different way home perhaps |
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#124 | ||
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gecko i apoligise to you i was out of line mate.
there are a lot of resourceful people here and I dont want anyone to figure out which incidents they were out of respect of the dead and their families, one of my married into family members and another a family friend. Let's just say they both over the limit as far as the law goes, they were observing the 1 drink per hour guide as they had always done and had always obeyed the law. I am sure and I believe them, had the law been 0 bac, they would not have driven and i base that on their characters. (but like gecko said my judgement maybe compromised becasue i know them.) the zero limit for me in their case may have taken the guess work out of their 1 drink per hour guide, just a total miscalculation on their behalf. i personally drive with 0 bac, i am unable to keep track of 1 drink per hour after about 5 or 6 hours, i just can't do it. |
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#125 | |||
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I agree 100% that the onus SHOULD be on the public to behave, be responsible for their own lives, as well as everyone around them... But as you yourself have witnessed dozens of times this year - it doesn't happen that way. Sadly - we as a society are always looking for someone to blame when something goes wrong... Be it on the road, at work, at home, anywhere... How did our society evolve that way? Is it because we've become lazy? Is it because we're too busy?? Is it because we're too selfish??? Interestingly - this thread was about one law - and even our most popular result at the moment only has 50% of the vote (much like our government)... If we can't all agree on one simple law... no wonder we can't all behave acceptably as a group in society...
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One thing I havent noticed addressed, what are the changes in thinking process between .05 and .08 about how close to the limit you are. Not the obvious concerns about driving skills and reflexes. The simple notion of deciding if youre over the limit. Seems people struggle at .05, I cant imagine its gets better at .08. Remember society is a lot of people, laws need to cover all people as best it can, individual experience is hardly relevant when setting a legal standard.
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No one wants to share, be that knowledge or whatever. But this selfishness has come due to a lack of respect The lack of respect for people, laws, property, you name it My job makes me spend alot of time in supermakrkets, and to see the way 1 and 2 y.o. kids are spoken to by their parents, hos do we expect these kids to have any respect when they grow up? Its a circle that is getting worse with each generation, I just wish there was an answer to it But untill there is an answer, our politicians (god belss them) will keep making laws for the lowest common denominator
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We are a society, and we impact others, they impact us. The law does not have the capacity to be flexible to suit everyones individual makeup, besides, over time that individual makeup changes, eye sight, hearing all the things that happen naturally as we age, and no Im not talking in your 80's. The law must reflect the best fit for society, not individuals. If we as individuals could grasp that, maybe there would be a different result for society. Quote:
If we as individuals lift out game, then the governments can have some room to move on things. The Value of the middle denominator lifts. |
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lol...
I must have read the thread title a dozen times since starting and only just realised that alcohol is spelt incorrectly.... And I haven't had a drink.... honest! |
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#132 | |||
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As gecko said... less then 1% (in his opinion) of road accidents are attributed to alcohol. If this is the case (assume it is for a second), wouldn't it be much more worth our while to focus on the other 99%?? I doubt speeding would be the main attribute to anything over 10%. (again just assuming)
Alcohol and speeding recieve too much attention in relativity to it's effect on the road toll.
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That was my point, too much focus on what are now probably small contributors of the overall sum of crashes. Speed and alcohol receive a lot of attention as they normally go together, resulting in large crashes with big results. The thing is big crashes with large results are actually a minute portion of the overall number of crashes. Unfortunately it is the crashes that cause the most damage that get the most attention, resulting the public getting a false impression of what the problem is.
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I"ll bet he's spewin nowadays that he sold that XU1. I'm going to go for .02 as I believe when it comes to incahol and driving, never the twain shall meet. I'll allow .02 as asides from above mentioned factors some quite unexpected things can ferment in the stomach and give you a BAC reading (a coconut Cherry Ripe and and a Buffalo Bill ice cream are two proven examples), but I'm disturbed to see some people thinking "well I can still have one drink every hour" as I think the point of the reduced limit is that it would discourage any amount of drinking and driving. It might even help reduce the drinking culture we've got in this country. Quote:
I think it should also be noted that the diminution of judgment also applies to your judgment regarding how affected by the alcohol you feel. edit: I only just noticed the poll doesn't have a ".08+, but I'm only just going 'round the corner to the bottle shop for another six pack" option. Last edited by WMD351; 11-12-2010 at 09:57 PM. |
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I recall he had to sell the car to pay the fines, and his legal fees. Lost his job, girlfriend is now shtuping his mate or something as he has no future etc. Maybe the GF wasnt part of it, I dont know. Be funnier if it was though. Quote:
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We could adopt the N.T. law that is;0.05 to 0.08 is an on the spot fine,you blow above 0.08 and kiss your ticket to drive goodbye.
Or there is a Nordic country that has zero tolerance and if you get done for BAC its instant jail time no ifs,buts or maybe you go straight to jail. I'm not sure of the time inside but six months rings a bell for your first offence.
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It's illegal to drive wilst under the influence of drugs, but it's legal to drink drive, BUT ONLY TO A LIMIT!!! How anyone can actually be sure of how close or over the limit they actually are is not possible. Those over the counter breatherlisers are notoriously unreliable. So the only true indicator of blood alcohol content is in the hands of the local police. This .05 or .08 deal is ridiculous, 0.00 is the only fair way to go. The police will use personal judgement on cases that go say 0.01 or 02, as medical circumstances are a contributing factor.
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sobriety test should have some relevance imo.
I know a couple of people that are as useless as bat sheet on two drinks, and they would be under .05.
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should be zero tolerance and a zero blood alcohol level, it affects your ability to react to things in even low levels, and aussies are bad enough drivers straight.
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Tests differ but most show no effect under 0.06 BAC. |
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Cant ever see the BAC rising ,ever
It mite,mite go lower ,but there will be a public out cry It effects too many in different ways Peoples frame size has been prooven to have a different effect from the grog So what do we do People under 50 KG have a different BAC as those over 50KG Then those 100KG have a different and higher BAC as a 50 KG person That then stems the "Discrimination" rubbish To skull say 3-4 jimmies,blow in BAC tester at the pub and readout is fine But 30-45 mins later the effect kicks in Does that say oh at the pub i was fine to drive ??? |
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No, because what you were at the pub does not count, it is what you are while you are driving. The charge is driving under the influence of alcohol, not walking out of the pub under the influence of alcohol.
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Thats right gecko But i wonder how many stagger to the BAC tester readout is fine (or close ) And go drive thinking they are fine |
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That is why in nearly all the guides, they explain that depending on when the last drink was and how many, the BAC reading may increase as alcohol is absorbed. Any one that skulls the last couple, has a glass of water and then does the test thinking it will remain accurate is a fool and deserves to lose their license.
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Agreed Tex thats what i was trying to say in my earlier post, the affect a drink or two can have on some peoples driving ability/mindset while driving mindblowing. |
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