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View Poll Results: Windsor vs Cleveland vs Boss | |||
Windsor |
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137 | 28.54% |
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194 | 40.42% |
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113 | 23.54% |
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36 | 7.50% |
Voters: 480. You may not vote on this poll |
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Paulie
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Bentleigh VIC
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easy gittin pwer out of a cleve but a cleve headed windsor is also good
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With da Warlords
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Orange NSW
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. Thats all you hear nowdays blah blah time UN-OPENED WGA S!!!
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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Regular Member
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: ballarat/ melbourne
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boss motors rule if u r talking about the windsor bottom end with clevo heads nuthing better than a v8 at 9,000 rpm sound great and so much power can be had out of them i think thay r the best motors ever but the price of them can get a bit much
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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3 Boss motors have gone into the 11's with no forced assistance so far, 2 have been opened and 1 is still unopened
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Ripping it up
Join Date: Apr 2005
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Simple power, thats it. My 130 odd kw XC 351 ****ess all over my au. But i like driving the au so much more... mo rust lol. but engines... Clevo for sure |
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#191 | ||
Runnin C3H8 & C4H10
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Blue Mountains NSW
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As said, Cleveland by far sounds the best. Awesome power potential for straight line work too. If I were into drag racing, then I'd definately vote for the Clevo.
But (you wanted a reason), since I'm into hill climbs & circuit racing, I will vote Windsor. The picture below sums it up really. The modular's are even heavier than the Clevo. Weight kills handling, & the 8.2" windsor small block is the lightest of the lot. It's not like they haven't had a successful history with victories at Le Mans in the GT40 mk1 (after the big blocks were banned), Trans Am with the real BOSS 302, & even the V8 supercars use what is fundamentally a modern incarnation of a BOSS 302 (4 bolt sportsman 8.2" block with Yates canted valve Cleveland style heads). Plenty of power potential for the job (with Cleveland or Windsor heads) plus the option of stroking, which only adds a small amount of weight.
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Life's a Gas
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Sydney
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I love my beast too!
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: at my house
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I voted for the Clevo. I spent many years working with both standard and performance engine parts, dealing with many engine builders and the Clevo produced the easiest bang for buck for building engines from off the shelf engine parts, that are available for a reasonable cost.
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Traino!
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 537
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windsor coz i have 1
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Clevo Mafia Inc.
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Dandy Engines just dynoed their world small block 427 Cleveland headed stroker, well over 700hp with off the shelf parts and stock heads, the aftermarket small blocks adding cubes will be the way of the future for us oldschoolers. Thread here:
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: melbourne
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I voted windsor, im sick of seeing Boss260s pulled apart at work for tensioners, head repairs/replacements for low comp on #8, oil pumps....theyre just a plain ***** of a thing to work on,... gotta LOVE driving them tho.... hmmm maybe i should drop in a vote for the Boss too.... haha
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XP Coupe
Join Date: Jan 2005
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I seem to recall that the Boss302 was the invention of an ex GM bloke, Larry someone and his entourage of ex GM engineers?
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BOSS 5.4L Enthusiast
Join Date: Aug 2005
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TUFF FORDS
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: cairns
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meaning? so he took some parts ford designed and put them together.. he never put clevo heads on a Chev or vice versa.. i think we've all had other jobs before, where did this guy work before gm.. |
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XP Coupe
Join Date: Jan 2005
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I'm just going back in the dark mist of my youth. There was some talk that the clevo was inspired by the GM designs....nothing sinister. It was the Oz engineers/technicians who developed the heads into something to rant about.
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Was Red Territory
Join Date: Jan 2005
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I miss my Clevo...nothing beats this engine for sound.....and the power outputs can be excellent
the boss is a close second although I think there would be a question mark over it longevity
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Starter Motor
Join Date: Oct 2006
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Car olds had when i was born, XA Falcon 500 302 4spd, Then XC GXL 302, First Car Driven - XD 302 4spd at 11yo, First car brought ZF Fairlane 351 C4 9", at 15yo, First car on Road XA GT Coupe at 18yo
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Formely FG G6E Turbo
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Brisbane
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My limited experience: 1966 Mustang 289 Cleveland with Holley 500 carbie, sounded great, went fast but would often stall at traffic lights and take 5 min to restart.
2006 XR8 with BOSS 5.4, sounds even better and never stalls, makes way more power. BOSS gets my vote. |
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: w.a
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i currently own all three, an el 5.0 with all the bolt ons, an esp with 357ci clevo, and ba xr8 aka boss, clevo gets my vote for bang for buck....and engine note and widest power band, boss is a good motor but not a large enough power band, the windsor in 302 form is very torquey but i believe the heads let it down as it runs out of breath very fast,
most fun of the three would have to be the clevo followed by the boss... all the engines have mods most modded being the clevo... thats my opinion in a nutshell Jay |
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TUFF FORDS
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: cairns
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Banned
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Qld Moderator
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rocknrolla
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Adelaide, SA
Posts: 1,589
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the odd one out is the boss 302 because it doesnt weigh a metric arseload ;)
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Banned
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Qld Moderator
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4Vman, This is not correct, the first casting of a 351C block was in 1970 casting number was DOAE if you can find another casting number for a 1969 Cleveland block then please let us know what it is. (The 4V heads were cast in 69 for fitment to the Boss 302). Let me know the casting number and I can verify........ |
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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How on earth could the Clevelands fitted to the Feburary 1970 GT falcons have been designed, cast, assembled and shipped to Australia in 4 weeks?? There were quite a few batches of Clevelands cast in 1969, then stockpiled for fitment in 1970, ive seen cleveland blocks cast as early as july 1969.
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