Covid 19 -

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by b0son

Ummmm, not wanting to troll, but thankyou for what exactly?

Well I suppose they risked their own health and the chance of taking it home to their own family and killing off their granny or something like that. Of course this only applies to those that were directly involved in the care of infected people and there weren't all that many of those.

And it's only a concert anyway; it's not like we're going to give them something useful, like a slab or a bottle of JD.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

And it's only a concert anyway; it's not like we're going to give them something useful, like a slab or a bottle of JD.

In NSW, they're angling for a payrise while the rest of us are heading into recession...

[russellw]

9 new cases for Australia and no deaths so CMR drops to 1.430% but active cases rise to 482 (6.7%).

No new cases or deaths for NZ so CMR is unchanged and active cases remain at 0.1% (1).

The UK had just over 1.5k new cases and 556 deaths so the CMR is back up to 14.130%.

Just over 20k new cases in the USA and 637 deaths sees CMR down to 5.78% and active cases down to 61.6%.

Other notable points:
The USA completed 18M tests and Spain 4M;
Nepal (239), Iraq (429) and Chile (5,471) all recorded new daily highs.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Several nations in talks about opening borders to tourism.

Hopefully that will put some people at ease. Sometimes just the sense that normality is on the cards is enough to make people feel a little better.

It would be nice to be able to say in a few months that you are going on a booked holiday or you have family visiting from overseas.

With strict travel measures and a possible vaccine on the way it's better than nothing.

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Several nations in talks about opening borders to tourism.

Hopefully that will put some people at ease. Sometimes just the sense that normality is on the cards is enough to make people feel a little better.

It would be nice to be able to say in a few months that you are going on a booked holiday or you have family visiting from overseas.

With strict travel measures and a possible vaccine on the way it's better than nothing.

We'll probably start letting kiwis in shortly but they're not the big spenders the Chinese and European are. I'm just not sure how keen we all are to welcome a horde of Chinese right now; maybe if there was some way they they could convince us that they have really got rid of the this virus and are doing something to ensure there is no repeat of the coverup next time (and there will be a next time)

The local university has just sacked a lot of staff. They normally cater for thousands of foreign students (mostly Chinese) but not any more and perhaps not for a while to come.

Tourism and education were two of our biggest export earners. It's going to be a while before they get back to their previous levels as far as jobs go. The govt is planning on spending big to try and keep unemployment down but the right wing of the libs hate this idea. It goes against their "small govt, low tax" ideology.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

We'll probably start letting kiwis in shortly but they're not the big spenders the Chinese and European are. I'm just not sure how keen we all are to welcome a horde of Chinese right now; maybe if there was some way they they could convince us that they have really got rid of the this virus and are doing something to ensure there is no repeat of the coverup next time (and there will be a next time)

The local university has just sacked a lot of staff. They normally cater for thousands of foreign students (mostly Chinese) but not any more and perhaps not for a while to come.

Tourism and education were two of our biggest export earners. It's going to be a while before they get back to their previous levels as far as jobs go. The govt is planning on spending big to try and keep unemployment down but the right wing of the libs hate this idea. It goes against their "small govt, low tax" ideology.

I think many more Aussies will head to NZ then them coming here.

There is still a great deal of distrust against the Chinese. I work in the CBD right next to a large chain Hotel and my desk is at street level looking at the passers by.

The hotel used to host several dozen buss loads of Chinese air hostesses each week. As this unfolded you could see the looks of disgust and fear they received from passers by.

Eventually they needed a security escort between the bus and the hotel door as the looks would become snide comments and finger pointing.

For a while the buses became a trickle - I've only seen 2 in the past week. They still need the security escort even though the streets were mostly empty.

Give it 2 more weeks when restrictions ease even more, when people start to go out drinking and walking around inebriated and when the several buses full of Chinese hostesses return there will be some vented anger towards the Chinese I'm sure.

I'm also wondering if Australia will no longer be the desirable holiday destination it one was for the Chinese due to the political banter between our nations.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

I think many more Aussies will head to NZ then them coming here.

There is still a great deal of distrust against the Chinese. I work in the CBD right next to a large chain Hotel and my desk is at street level looking at the passers by.

The hotel used to host several dozen buss loads of Chinese air hostesses each week. As this unfolded you could see the looks of disgust and fear they received from passers by.

Eventually they needed a security escort between the bus and the hotel door as the looks would become snide comments and finger pointing.

For a while the buses became a trickle - I've only seen 2 in the past week. They still need the security escort even though the streets were mostly empty.

Give it 2 more weeks when restrictions ease even more, when people start to go out drinking and walking around inebriated and when the several buses full of Chinese hostesses return there will be some vented anger towards the Chinese I'm sure.

I'm also wondering if Australia will no longer be the desirable holiday destination it one was for the Chinese due to the political banter between our nations.

I’m thinking a post about busloads of Chinese air hostesses is well and truly deserving of pics...


for research purposes of course.


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[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

I’m thinking a post about busloads of Chinese air hostesses is well and truly deserving of pics...


for research purposes of course.


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I'm heading into work this arvo - if the protest doesn't get me then I'll see what I can do to help you with your Yellow fever

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

I'm also wondering if Australia will no longer be the desirable holiday destination it one was for the Chinese due to the political banter between our nations.

Well, there you go.

China warns against travel to Australia - JUNE 6 2020 - 4:33AM
Anirudh Saligrama

China's Ministry of Culture and Tourism has advised the public to avoid travelling to Australia, citing racial discrimination and violence against Chinese people in connection with the COVID-19 pandemic.

"There has been an alarming increase recently in acts of racial discrimination and violence against Chinese and Asians in Australia, due to the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic," the ministry said in a statement on Friday evening.

It did not give any specific examples of such discrimination or violence.

Asians of various backgrounds have said they have been harassed since the outbreak of the coronavirus, including in the United States.

China issued a warning to tourists travelling to the US earlier this year after some said they were mistreated in connection with the outbreak.

Australian Associated Press

https://www.camdencourier.com.au/sto...-to-australia/

[guzzis3]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Well, there you go.



https://www.camdencourier.com.au/sto...-to-australia/

That's going to hurt Chinese Australians heavily dependent on the tourist market. Bit of a shame..

[zilo]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

The local university has just sacked a lot of staff. They normally cater for thousands of foreign students (mostly Chinese) but not any more and perhaps not for a while to come.

Universities have monetised education at the expense of local kids.

They sell most of the useful course places to full paying foreigners.

The result is aussie kids need 99.99 atar to do courses that really require about 70 to satisfactorily complete.

To fix it the govt imports dodgie indian/pakistani doctors.

The universities can go and get stuffed in my opinion...their business model does harm so good riddance.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by zilo

Universities have monetised education at the expense of local kids.

They sell most of the useful course places to full paying foreigners.

The result is aussie kids need 99.99 atar to do courses that really require about 70 to satisfactorily complete.

To fix it the govt imports dodgie indian/pakistani doctors.

The universities can go and get stuffed in my opinion...their business model does harm so good riddance.

Hundred percent agree. Couldn't have put it better myself.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by zilo

Universities have monetised education at the expense of local kids.

They sell most of the useful course places to full paying foreigners.

The result is aussie kids need 99.99 atar to do courses that really require about 70 to satisfactorily complete.

To fix it the govt imports dodgie indian/pakistani doctors.

The universities can go and get stuffed in my opinion...their business model does harm so good riddance.

Got proof? Or just another racist rant?

[b0son]

Originally Posted by prydey

Got proof? Or just another racist rant?

LOL... it's actually the opposite.

In round numbers the state governments guarantee about 3,000 intern places a year. Accordingly the federal gov regulates the med schools to this number for domestic students.

The 500-600 int'l students come here to study of their own volition. It's their fortune that although guaranteeing 3,000 the state governments have sufficient needs & budgets for 3,400 interns, so the surplus is offered to int'l graduates.

[superyob]

Originally Posted by prydey

Got proof? Or just another racist rant?

The proof is directly in front of everyone's eyes. So what was 'racist' (a tired and ineffective pejorative) about this post???

[nuthin' fancy]

Originally Posted by zilo

Universities have monetised education at the expense of local kids.

They sell most of the useful course places to full paying foreigners.

The result is aussie kids need 99.99 atar to do courses that really require about 70 to satisfactorily complete.

To fix it the govt imports dodgie indian/pakistani doctors.

The universities can go and get stuffed in my opinion...their business model does harm so good riddance.

That is incorrect. Full fee paying international students help subsidise our kids education.

In regard to Universities I want to know why so many of their employees are casual. Casual employment should be a transition period to permanent, not a long term arrangement.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by nuthin' fancy

That is incorrect. Full fee paying international students help subsidise our kids education.

.

Sure...in the ideal world a bit like the federal govt
collects the medicare rebate and apportions an
amount to the states for health.

But the states aren't compelled to use it in any particular way
as it is in consolidated revenue.

I am confident, from conversations I have had,
( a family member on staff at Sydney and another at Latrobe) that my comment is correct.

[russellw]

17 new cases for Australia and -1 deaths so CMR drops to 1.413% but active cases rise to 493 (6.8%).

No new cases or deaths for NZ so CMR is unchanged and active cases remain at 0.1% (1).

The UK had just over 1.6k new cases and 324 deaths so the CMR is back up to 14.162%.

Just over 22k new cases in the USA and 731 deaths sees CMR down to 5.751% and active cases down to 61.2%.

Other notable points:
Mexico passes 10k and Colombia passes 1K deaths;
Russia completed 11M tests and Spain 4M;
Asia (30,362) recorded a new high for daily cases;

Yemen (45), Mauritania (80), Nepal (288), Azerbaijan (273), Armenia (517), Iraq (519), Argentina (904), Bangladesh (2,911), Pakistan (3,938) and India (8,812) all recorded new daily highs, those in blue for the second consecutive day and those is red for a third or more consecutive day.

[LG17]

Originally Posted by russellw

17 new cases for Australia and -1 deaths so CMR drops to 1.413% but active cases rise to 493 (6.8%).

No new cases or deaths for NZ so CMR is unchanged and active cases remain at 0.1% (1).

The UK had just over 1.6k new cases and 324 deaths so the CMR is back up to 14.162%.

Just over 22k new cases in the USA and 731 deaths sees CMR down to 5.751% and active cases down to 61.2%.

Other notable points:
Mexico passes 10k and Colombia passes 1K deaths;
Russia completed 11M tests and Spain 4M;
Asia (30,362) recorded a new high for daily cases;

Yemen (45), Mauritania (80), Nepal (288), Azerbaijan (273), Armenia (517), Iraq (519), Argentina (904), Bangladesh (2,911), Pakistan (3,938) and India (8,812) all recorded new daily highs, those in blue for the second consecutive day and those is red for a third or more consecutive day.

22000 new cases is interesting in the USA. Is there a breakdown by riot areas?

[Charliewool]

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...itions/610261/

[guzzis3]

Originally Posted by zilo:
Universities have monetised education at the expense of local kids.

They sell most of the useful course places to full paying foreigners.

The result is aussie kids need 99.99 atar to do courses that really require about 70 to satisfactorily complete.

To fix it the govt imports dodgie indian/pakistani doctors.

The universities can go and get stuffed in my opinion...their business model does harm so good riddance.

__________________________________________________ _______

That isn't how university funding works.

The federal government decides how many places to fund in each course and those get subsidised. Those subsidised places go to australians.

Over and above those places universities can offer as many full fee paying places as they like. Most of these are filled by overseas students. I took some FF subjects once upon a time for specific reasons.

The reason entry levels are so high is there are far more graduating students than there are places. Even back in my day teachers were busily brainwashing students and parents into believing if the kids didn't get a degree they would never get a decent job. The high entry levels are justified for engineering medicine etc, but certain courses like physio (for some reason) are massively oversubscribed. The entry requirement reflects supply and demand. BSc Physics on the other hand is easy to get into even though it's fairly hard, because there are no jobs.

The real problem with overseas students is the universities turn a blind eye to cheating and lower assessment standards to get them through the course. They are killing their market because the reason people come here is our qualifications once had some cred internationally. Corruption is rife in india and asia. Some of the "graduates" they produce are properly breathtaking.

I remember a SENIOR Indian mech eng specifying round section steel for a frame because round sections are "strong". People's faces just fell off...

[Tickford.]

@russellw, not sure if this is just on my end, but your posts have shrunk in size to micro in the last few days or so. Maybe the cold weather of late in Melbourne has something to do with it?

I do like reading your posts, so.. if you could be so kind to look into it please?
TIA.

[russellw]

8 new cases for Australia and no deaths so CMR drops to 1.411% and active cases drop to 487 (6.7%).

No new cases or deaths for NZ so CMR is unchanged and active cases remain at 0.1% (1).

The UK had just under 1.9k new cases and 359 deaths so the CMR is back up to 14.196%.

Just under 22k new cases in the USA and 1,134 deaths sees CMR down to 5.744% and active cases down to 59.9%.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 6.5M;
Sweden had a massive increase in new cases;
The USA completed 19M tests and India / Germany 4M;
Asia (32,347) recorded a new high for daily cases;

Ethiopia (142), Azerbaijan (325), Iraq (781),Argentina (949),Sweden (2,214), Mexico (3,891), Pakistan (4,065) and India (9,633) all recorded new daily highs, those in blue for the second consecutive day and those is red for a third or more consecutive day.

[Work Horse]

Sweden's top epidemiologist has admitted his strategy to fight COVID-19 resulted in too many deaths, after persuading his country to avoid a strict lockdown.

"If we were to encounter the same illness with the same knowledge that we have today, I think our response would land somewhere in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done," Anders Tegnell said in an interview with Swedish Radio.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/...03-p54z99.html

[russellw]

11 new cases for Australia and no deaths so CMR drops to 1.409% and active cases rise to 490 (6.8%).

No new cases or deaths for NZ so CMR is unchanged and Barry still hasn't recovered so the active case remains at 0.1% (1).

The UK had just over 1.8k new cases and 176 deaths so the CMR is back down to 14.167%.

Just over 20k new cases in the USA and 1,083 deaths sees CMR down to 5.739% and active cases down to 58.0%.

Other notable points:
Global daily new cases reached a high of 125,983;
Sweden recorded a second consecutive day with over 1,000 new cases;
South Africa had a sharp increase in new cases;
South America passed the 1M case mark;
The UK completed 5M tests, Italy 4M and Iran 1M;
Africa (7,183) recorded a new high for daily cases;
Asia (33,370) recorded a high for daily cases for the 3rd consecutive day;

Ethiopia (150), Ivory Coast (152), Malaysia (277),Armenia (697),Colombia (1,766), South Africa (3,267), Iran (3,754),Mexico (3,912),Pakistan (4,801)and India (9,889) all recorded new daily highs, those in blue for the second consecutive day and those is red for a third or more consecutive day.

[russellw]

11 new cases for Australia and no deaths so CMR drops to 1.407% and active cases drop to 466 (6.4%).

No new cases or deaths for NZ so CMR is unchanged and active cases remain at 0.1% (1).

The UK had just over 1.6k new cases and 357 deaths so the CMR is back up to 14.211%.

Just over 22k new cases in the USA and 1,031 deaths sees CMR down to 5.726% and active cases down to 57.3%.

Other notable points:
Global daily cases reached a new high of 133,700 (2nd consecutive day);
Sweden recorded a third consecutive day with over 1,000 new cases;
South Africa had a sharp increase in new cases;
South America passed the 1M case mark;
The USA completed 20M tests and Russia 12M;
The USA recorded it's 2nd highest daily new cases and the highest for over a month;

Mauritania (99), Ethiopia (169),Ivory Coast (169),Azerbaijan (338),Afghanistan (915),Iraq (1,006),Mexico (4,442)all recorded new daily highs, those in blue for the second consecutive day and those is red for a third or more consecutive days.

[russellw]

To show how things have trended across the continents, here is a comparison of their daily new cases over the last fortnight:




The trend graph shows this more clearly:

[ford71V8]

"The USA recorded it's 2nd highest daily new cases and the highest for over a month"

Geez, wonder how that happened?

Anyway, back to our protests here in Aus

[russellw]

4 new cases for Australia and no deaths so CMR drops to 1.406% and active cases drop to 463 (6.4%).

No new cases or deaths for NZ so CMR is unchanged and active cases remain at 0.1% (1).

The UK had just over 1.5k new cases and 204 deaths so the CMR is back down to 14.205%.

The USA has done an 'adjustment' to the case and mortality numbers over the last twelve weeks which added about 10k to the case total and 200 deaths but which has also changed the daily figures a bit. Just over 25k new cases in the USA yesterday and 975 deaths sees CMR down to 5.667% and active cases down to 56.8%.

Other notable points:
Global deaths surpassed 400k;
Venezuela completed 1M tests;Asia (34,306) recorded a new high for daily cases;

Azerbaijan (379), Panama (541), Argentina (983), Indonesia (993), Iraq (1,252), Saudi Arabia (3,121) and India (10,4385) all recorded new daily highs, those in blue for the second consecutive day and those is red for a third or more consecutive days.

[blueoval]

It will be interesting to see if the numbers of infected increase in the next week or so after these protests are done.