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Huh? So the FGII EcoLPI gets a 0.2 L/100km improvement compared to the FG EcoLPI released just a few months ago?
What the heck happened there? Lukeyson
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Pity the fool
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There must have been some FGII specific calibration done.
Come to think of it, doesnt the FGII have an all new corporate ECU?
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If there are improvements to the fuel ecoomy, the tables in the first post are wrong.
Improvement values should show a '+' sign, not a '-' sign. The way its presented shows there has been a decrease in fuel economy, ie. higher fuel consumption. The lt/100km figures quoted appear to be very realistic values that are easily achievable. For example, for an XR6 manual they are quoting 11.1lt/100km. I've been averaging 9.48 lt/100km actual economy with my FG1 XR50 manual since new, calculated from fuel pump readings, for combined highway and some peakhour stop start driving. If I quote the computer average reading, its even better at 9.0 lt/100km. |
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The tables are correct. The figures are in litres used per 100km. If theres an improvement in economy, the number decreases, hence the '-' sign. An improvement of g/km co2 means the number is LESS, again, '-' Only if you measure fuel economy in MPG, would the '+' sign be used to refer to an improvement. |
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All I can say is this.
There's NO WAY IN HELL that GM Holden will be able to match the fuel consumption figures of the EcoLPi I6 engine with their upcoming dedicated LPG 3.6L V6 engine. More importantly, there's NO WAY IN HELL that GM Holden will be able to produce a dedicated LPG engine with anywhere near the torque output of the EcoLPi I6 while consuming less than the official 12.3L/100km.
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Just a bit of fine tuning to the calibration it seems. |
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who has a calculator,,how much does it cost to travel 100ks in a petrol and a gas falcon,,,
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Wow dave, for a holden guy you're looking awfully blue blooded these days
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i would have thought there would be other avenues to pursue more economy in the big six, partial cylinder shutdown or engine stop at traffic lights?
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can`t say they are`nt trying
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Also, in real-life average Aussie suburban conditions, cylinder deactivation / engine stop at idle wouldn't make a huge difference in consumption anyway.
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So why have cylinder deactivation on the 'good V8 platform' that you love?
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Because it was already developed in America?
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Peter Car
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AFM doesn't work for sheet anyway, and it makes less power than the manual version that doesn't use it.
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I think EPAS and an electric water pump or aircon compressor would achieve more.
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The I6 is only developed in Australia. The L76/L98 V8 engines are part of a global V8 platform.
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Real world economy figures is the one to keep an eye out for.
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Interesting that there is a massive difference in ute and sedan economy for the ECOLPI .... seeing as there is literally no difference in weight between the 2 either.
Wonder if there is a diff ratio difference to affect this or what.
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Notice that the petrol utes are also thirstier than the sedans too...
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FGII ute runs the following diff ratios:
3.45:1 for the 6-speed manual 3:45:1 for the ZF petrol 2.73:1 for the ZF ECOLPI (optional for ZF Petrol) Styleside kerb weight is about 1740kg ... give or take a little dependant on model.
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