dev 5 in LOXXR6 AU.

**Stav** · 07-01-2005, 05:15 PM

As we all knew LOXXR6 is going for the dev 5 cam in his xr6 AU hp ..just wanted to know how is it going? This is going to be interesting territory..I have yet to see one go in an unmodified head...keep us posted mate.....
Being up the Road maybe you can take me for a spin?HahAH

loxxr6 · 10-01-2005, 12:29 AM

Wed 12th it goes in. I'll pick the car up the next day.

I'll have the cam in but won't be reprograming the unichip just yet. I'm kinda short on funds for this....have to help cover an excess for a g/f inflicted minor car accident incident.

Then come the 30th if all goes to plan I'll be up at the creek.

I'm really hanging out for this. A mate today just bought an underdrive kit for his supercharged v6 Calais while we were at Summernats and i'm interested to see how we'll pair up against each other once he has it done.

**Stav** · 11-01-2005, 08:20 PM

Is Spiro doing it?

loxxr6 · 11-01-2005, 10:28 PM

yerp. I drop the car off tomorrow.

I'm also gonna give the track day a miss. I figure with the weather we're having it's gonna be bloody hot so I'll save the testing for a weekly WSID day. Should be a better run at night than if I do it during the day.

**Stav** · 12-01-2005, 01:46 AM

Should give you a good boost and I think he'll do a good job.If they are keeping it overnight I can only assume that they will have it on the dyno to adjust the best power curve..

loxxr6 · 12-01-2005, 03:28 PM

OK.

I went in today to get it taken care of. I then had a bit of a chat and when I got the price for the work I had a mild coronary.

The price for the reprogamming of the chip I was ok with but the price of the cam install was quite high based on what I'd heard of other places charging.

Stav I remember what you told me you paid to get yours done by Crescent so I decided I'd give them a call. They were about a third of the price.

Guess who's getting the job now.

I'll get the chip stuff done by Autotech but the cam install is gonna be done by Crescent. I really can't see why one place would be that much different when to the best of my really limited knowledge everything is basicly under the rocker cover. Its not like its an 8 or anything.

Don't get me wrong, I reckon the guys @ Autotech do a great job but I can't justify why there would be that much of a price difference.

**Chris** · 12-01-2005, 04:25 PM

out of interest, whats the charge?
is it just camshaft? or is it valvesprings as well??

**Stav** · 12-01-2005, 04:29 PM

Joe put the cam in while I went shopping and to look at some cases at the local Liverpool court.Took a couple of hours to do and I found Joe a nice guy and quite genuine.I must confess I found many other places which had the "I am god" syndrome so they lost my confidence and business. Im just as accomplished in my business if not more then them but I cant give 2 shits about loving myself about it....I am a friendly guy ..just like a friendly ghost we all know...
One thing though Loxxr6 is that Joe runs a DMX dyno and the figures will show around 20-30 rwkws less than a dynomatics dyno. My car on Croydons dyno got 141.6 rwks today but showed 109 rwkws on Joes dyno. But dont let this worry you I do assure you that he will do the right thing and his dyno may not show the peak power figure but an average true power output.So instead of showing that you got 170 rwks for a split second he will show you what the average power is...
I recommend that bloke any day I found him a 24 carrat bloke!!!! Champion...

**Stav** · 12-01-2005, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris

out of interest, whats the charge?
is it just camshaft? or is it valvesprings as well??

Around 150-180 for a cam install.But if you want it done properly they recommend dyno tuning. I have to say that if the cam gets dialled in properly you wont need all that malarchy and waste of money.I think Jim and Brendan Mock have already done their homework on developing these cams.

loxxr6 · 12-01-2005, 06:00 PM

out of interest, whats the charge?
is it just camshaft? or is it valvesprings as well??

Both cam and valvesprings. I have all parts ready to roll.

I hope this isn't bad form printing quotes.... Here goes.

Joe from Crescent = $220 - $230 if no dramas eg having to pull cam in and out more than twice if any hiccups occur with tuning. If there are dramas he said it may be no more than another $50. He couldn't do Unichip tune due to not having the software to do it. He said if i can score the software he'll do it.

Autotech = $350 for cam + $300 for valve springs ??? Retune of Unichip on top.

Thats a big diff in prices.

loxxr6 · 12-01-2005, 06:07 PM

I recommend that bloke any day I found him a 24 carrat bloke!!!! Champion...

In the brief chat I had with him he came across as pretty cluey.

Oh Useless he mentioned you may have some spare shims I could borrow :newangel:

loxxr6 · 12-01-2005, 06:10 PM

One thing though Loxxr6 is that Joe runs a DMX dyno and the figures will show around 20-30 rwkws less than a dynomatics dyno. My car on Croydons dyno got 141.6 rwks today but showed 109 rwkws on Joes dyno. But dont let this worry you I do assure you that he will do the right thing and his dyno may not show the peak power figure but an average true power output.So instead of showing that you got 170 rwks for a split second he will show you what the average power is...

I'll just get it redone at Croydon or somewhere else to get the dyno dynamics figure later. No biggy.

**Stav** · 12-01-2005, 11:21 PM

Mate didnt Jim Mock give you the shims? If not pm me and ill look around my shed for the rest of them.I have about 100.

**Stav** · 12-01-2005, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loxxr6

out of interest, whats the charge?
is it just camshaft? or is it valvesprings as well??

Both cam and valvesprings. I have all parts ready to roll.

I hope this isn't bad form printing quotes.... Here goes.

Joe from Crescent = $220 - $230 if no dramas eg having to pull cam in and out more than twice if any hiccups occur with tuning. If there are dramas he said it may be no more than another $50. He couldn't do Unichip tune due to not having the software to do it. He said if i can score the software he'll do it.

Autotech = $350 for cam + $300 for valve springs ??? Retune of Unichip on top.

Thats a big diff in prices.

Aparently each unichip should come with the software.You would think they could supply a connector and program? If you pay for a chip you should have the power to tune it.
This is why I havent bothered with it.Haltech offer a chip where they give you the program and connector to alter mixtures timing etc...Same sort of price too.All you need is your laptop.In the old days you would jet the carby up or jet the carby down,adjust timing with the dizzy and away you went.

Casper · 13-01-2005, 12:27 AM

Lox, just be careful. I've spent a bit of time messing with chips as you know and what your about to do could end up being a bit of a drama. The Unichip in your car is tuned to optimise it as it is now. The Dev 5 cam is a BIG change. It will probably throw the unichips timing and A/F ratios out the window till you get it retuned. At best it will probably run a bit dodgy, at worst you could have serious leaning out issues with fuel. Get the unichip retuned asap.

**Stav** · 13-01-2005, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Casper

Lox, just be careful. I've spent a bit of time messing with chips as you know and what your about to do could end up being a bit of a drama. The Unichip in your car is tuned to optimise it as it is now. The Dev 5 cam is a BIG change. It will probably throw the unichips timing and A/F ratios out the window till you get it retuned. At best it will probably run a bit dodgy, at worst you could have serious leaning out issues with fuel. Get the unichip retuned asap.

Yep ....I think that Joe will have an idea with his dyno and lamda sensor to warn you of any dramas.In any case I agree with Casper drive it easy so you dont damage anything from leaning out too much

loxxr6 · 13-01-2005, 08:37 AM

Lox, just be careful. I've spent a bit of time messing with chips as you know and what your about to do could end up being a bit of a drama. The Unichip in your car is tuned to optimise it as it is now. The Dev 5 cam is a BIG change. It will probably throw the unichips timing and A/F ratios out the window till you get it retuned. At best it will probably run a bit dodgy, at worst you could have serious leaning out issues with fuel. Get the unichip retuned asap.

For sure. I'm just gonna have it temporarily disconnected when the cam goes in. I've asked Crescent Motorsport to do this. I sussed out the problems this may cause earlier so have no intention of leaving the chip to cope with the changed internals of the engine.

I'll just go back to Autotech later once I have the dosh and they can reconnect and retune the Unichip.

loxxr6 · 13-01-2005, 08:40 AM

Mate didnt Jim Mock give you the shims?

What are they meant to look like ??

Sox · 13-01-2005, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by loxxr6

Mate didnt Jim Mock give you the shims?

What are they meant to look like ??

Little washers.

Rick.

loxxr6 · 13-01-2005, 01:22 PM

Cheers, I received all sorts of stuff in bags. I'll have another look tonight.

**Stav** · 13-01-2005, 03:31 PM

If you did not get them not to worry ill get them for you ok?I am in your area every other day...

SpoolMan · 13-01-2005, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by loxxr6

I'll just go back to Autotech later once I have the dosh and they can reconnect and retune the Unichip.

you cant just unplug a piggyback chip you need to bridge the wire's,this needs to be done by someone who knows the unichip installation..there might be a end cap you can buy unplug the chip stick the end caps over..
you say in post 10 if your installer had the software he would tune it for you, when tuning unichips you need more than software you need a special dongle tool that plugs into the unichip to read and make changes to the map..
From what i have seen Dev 5 is a big Cam, have you found out if this will run without a your unichip..
Goodluck hope it all goes well..

Casper · 13-01-2005, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XRFPV8

you cant just unplug a piggyback chip you need to bridge the wire's,this needs to be done by someone who knows the unichip installation..there might be a end cap you can buy unplug the chip stick the end caps over..
you say in post 10 if your installer had the software he would tune it for you, when tuning unichips you need more than software you need a special dongle tool that plugs into the unichip to read and make changes to the map..
From what i have seen Dev 5 is a big Cam, have you found out if this will run without a your unichip..
Goodluck hope it all goes well..

You are right Mark, you need a blanking plug IIRC as unplugging the chip will break the connection and the car will not run.
Also, tuning is a specialist deal that requires the knowledge of the software, not just a basic "suck it and see knowledge"

As for the Dev 5, it will run fine on the stock ECU, it has been done by a few guys now. TIKFD6 has one in his ED XR6 that is running on the factory ECU.

**Stav** · 13-01-2005, 04:40 PM

Relax!!!! The guy loxxr6 is going to does know his stuff. He will be ok. Dev 5 will run with standard ecu as Casper has mentioned,even in auto equipped vehicles.

EFFalcon · 13-01-2005, 05:13 PM

that was the whole design point of the Dev cams ;)
Dev 5 can do wonders and u keep the stock ECU..

the simple thing to do would be to install it, leave the unichip in the car and just take it easy before it gets tuned.

Sox · 13-01-2005, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by EFFalcon

that was the whole design point of the Dev cams ;)
Dev 5 can do wonders and u keep the stock ECU..

the simple thing to do would be to install it, leave the unichip in the car and just take it easy before it gets tuned.

That's not advisable as the Unichip would have been tuned to pull some fuel out, giving decent AF ratios.
The DEV5 cam will also achieve a similar thing by way of greater air flow.
The two combined, without re-tuning the Unichip, will create dangerously lean AF ratios.

Rick.

loxxr6 · 13-01-2005, 05:35 PM

I think I'll err on the side of caution and get it taken out/disconnected as I don't think I'll be driving too sedately for the first week or so after getting the cam done.

loxxr6 · 22-01-2005, 11:11 AM

Bit of an update :

Appears there was quite a bit of a mixup with the figures I was quoted for the job. Spiro has been in contact but due to my phone being out of action and at the Vodafone repair shop being fixed I haven't been able to check any messages.

The follow up on the job by him is appreciated and also goes to show why they are a top class joint.

I'll be back in contact with Spiro @ Autotech on Monday.

The Mighty Red · 22-01-2005, 01:26 PM

Just a thought. Wouldn't it be better to hold of on the install until you've got the $$ to do the install and have it all tuned at the same time. I'm guessing an saying its about $200 to have it all tuned properly. That way the car should be flyin when you get it back with no issues

loxxr6 · 22-01-2005, 05:15 PM

I'm impatient. lol

But yeah it would make life a lot easier.