Reintroduction of V8 on FG Falcon

winovin · 25-03-2011, 06:10 PM

Hi,

I haven't seen any news or items posted here recently regarding the reintroduction of the V8 in the FG Falcon. Last I heard was that there would still be an XR8 with the new 5.0L engine.

Does anyone have any updates?

Thanks

mr smith · 25-03-2011, 07:41 PM

Consider it dead.

stang65 · 25-03-2011, 07:44 PM

Why would you say that?

Buntz · 25-03-2011, 07:44 PM

Consider it back on the maybe list. Ford Australia is very busy right now. No time to work on an XR8.

SM1DY · 25-03-2011, 07:56 PM

http://fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11303919

^^^ 29 pages on the future of the XR8

NAFairlane · 25-03-2011, 08:33 PM

the GS has taken the XR8 spot.....

winovin · 25-03-2011, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SM1DY

http://fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11303919

^^^ 29 pages on the future of the XR8

Except that this post falls under supercharged FPV Falcons, and I am interested in the non-supercharged Ford XR8 version.

" FPV 5.0 Boss S/C Powered Falcons"

Also, is the new engine generally called "Boss"? I thought it was called Coyote in the USA and Miami here?

Buntz · 25-03-2011, 08:40 PM

Coyote was it's project name.

Ford NA use the boss term on a certain model Mustang. But it is considered a new age 'Boss'. Ford Australia/FPV have continued with the famous label. Even though the old 5.4 wasn't really a 'Boss'.

Auslandau · 25-03-2011, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by winovin

Except that this post falls under supercharged FPV Falcons, and I am interested in the non-supercharged Ford XR8 version.

" FPV 5.0 Boss S/C Powered Falcons"

Also, is the new engine generally called "Boss"? I thought it was called Coyote in the USA and Miami here?

Depends on what you want to call it ...... also been discussed around the traps but:

Coyote is the name of the basic engine platform from the states ...... Miami was the pilot name from FPV for the development of the S/C Coyote ...... BOSS is the outcome.

buggo · 25-03-2011, 08:43 PM

Can't help but think the Falcon's being picked off, one by one...

csv8 · 25-03-2011, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by buggo_gt

Can't help but think the Falcon's being picked off, one by one...

Don't say that...you will be shot down like me!!!!!

P6LTD351 · 25-03-2011, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by buggo_gt

Can't help but think the Falcon's being picked off, one by one...

of course it is.

Flame me for being negative shmegative but its days are numbered.

I sure hope I'm wrong. I love my Falcons but the masses don't.

It's not the 80s/90s anymore. Although it seems Ford wish it were 1983 again by not having a V8 in their lineup.

And all this "they're working on it". Please. They have the engine. Just stick it in already....XR8 has a bettter name than GS. GS was always known as a poor mans GT.

jpd80 · 25-03-2011, 09:41 PM

Are any Falcon or Territory updates planned beyond TZ Territory and FG II?
Or more precisely, how long are these two expected to run for unchanged?

geckoGT · 25-03-2011, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by eb2monty

of course it is.

Flame me for being negative shmegative but its days are numbered.

I sure hope I'm wrong. I love my Falcons but the masses don't.

It's not the 80s/90s anymore. Although it seems Ford wish it were 1983 again by not having a V8 in their lineup.

And all this "they're working on it". Please. They have the engine. Just stick it in already....XR8 has a bettter name than GS. GS was always known as a poor mans GT.

Ford do not have much of a history of just sticking engines in, I do not see that they are likely to start now and personally for the good of the staff of FOA, I hope they don't.

P6LTD351 · 25-03-2011, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by geckoGT

Ford do not have much of a history of just sticking engines in, I do not see that they are likely to start now and personally for the good of the staff of FOA, I hope they don't.

Can you elaborate on what you mean about the staff comment?

Ford need to start being proactive or there won't be a factory in Australia.

jpd80 · 25-03-2011, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by eb2monty

And all this "they're working on it". Please. They have the engine. Just stick it in already....XR8 has a bettter name than GS. GS was always known as a poor mans GT.

Can't, the ECU doesn't support four cam phasers.... not unless you want the 6.2 V8 for a quick and dirty XR8,
300Kw @ 5700 and 560 nm @3500....from a truck engine calibration....

Buntz · 25-03-2011, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by geckoGT

Ford do not have much of a history of just sticking engines in, I do not see that they are likely to start now and personally for the good of the staff of FOA, I hope they don't.

Precisely this. You can't just stick an engine in and sell it. It needs, a business plan, which entails, cost analysis, market strategy, sales projections.... not to mention the engineering side of it. The decision for forced induction of natural aspiration. And they can't just remove the supercharger from the Coyote's.

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Are any Falcon or Territory updates planned beyond TZ Territory and FG II?
Or more precisely, how long are these two expected to run for unchanged?

I heard the drive train from the Range Rover Evogue will be going in. 4.4L diesel and ZF 8 speeder.

That would be an awesome dream come true.

jpd80 · 25-03-2011, 09:51 PM

The best hope for an XR8 is succession of FPV engines:

1) GS gives its engine to XR8 and gains the GT engine

2) GT gives its engine to GS and gains a 350KW engine

P6LTD351 · 25-03-2011, 09:52 PM

Sorry guys if I seem angry. I AM angry.

We have great products but it just seems time and time again Ford keep making mistakes in marketing. We have a great V8 but nobody knows about it cos you have to pay $65000 + to get it. Who is accountable in Ford for the flagging sales?

Buntz · 25-03-2011, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

The best hope for an XR8 is succession of FPV engines:

1) GS gives its engine to XR8 and gains the GT engine

2) GT gives its engine to GS and gains a 350KW engine

There is that. Makes sense to stick with the investment that's been made. That engine is barely getting any power ringed out of it..... yet.

Auslandau · 25-03-2011, 09:58 PM

If Ford release another version of the V8 ... (as there is already a GS/GT/GTE/GTP/GS UTE, let alone all the Turbo models to compliment these) .... how many would spend 50k's for an N/A XR8? C'mon now ...... not just talking about it on the internet but actually put there hands in and pull out a few thousand less than an S/C for a brand new, non demo N/A V8?

P6LTD351 · 25-03-2011, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Auslandau

If Ford release another version of the V8 ... (as there is already a GS/GT/GTE/GTP/GS UTE, let alone all the Turbo models to compliment these) .... how many would spend 50k's for an N/A XR8? C'mon now ...... not just talking about it on the internet but actually put there hands in and pull out a few thousand less than an S/C for a brand new, non demo N/A V8?

Wouldn't there be $10 - $15000 dollars difference between an XR8 and GS?

That's like saying no one will buy an N/A XR6 because for a few grand more people can get a Turbo.

Resurrection · 25-03-2011, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by winovin

Except that this post falls under supercharged FPV Falcons, and I am interested in the non-supercharged Ford XR8 version.

" FPV 5.0 Boss S/C Powered Falcons"

Also, is the new engine generally called "Boss"? I thought it was called Coyote in the USA and Miami here?

It ain't gonna happen. FPV has spent a lot of money on the Miami project and need all the V8 sales it can get.

mr smith · 25-03-2011, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by eb2monty

Can you elaborate on what you mean about the staff comment?

Ford need to start being proactive or there won't be a factory in Australia.

Maybe they dont want a factory in OZ?

Buntz · 25-03-2011, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mr smith

Maybe they dont want a factory in OZ?

They need it. Government money is good.

P6LTD351 · 25-03-2011, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mr smith

Maybe they dont want a factory in OZ?

Bingo. I think FoMoCo are weening us off Falcon.

No LWB, no wagon, no XR8 (which has built up a great name over 20 years), no no no no no.

Buntz · 25-03-2011, 10:09 PM

XR6T is better anyway.

Resurrection · 25-03-2011, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mr smith

Maybe they dont want a factory in OZ?

Dearborn doesn't want a factory in OZ.

mr smith · 25-03-2011, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by buggo_gt

Can't help but think the Falcon's being picked off, one by one...

Ute will be next. You dont put a massive investment into Ranger and keep a small volume stand alone model.

One Ford really means Ford as a reflection of Toyota. A large core of identical models world wide with a few select models for specific markets. Usually hero models for the home country.

P6LTD351 · 25-03-2011, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Buntz93ED

XR6T is better anyway.

Not the point.