Covid 19 -

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by five 7

Trump has said it is the 'chyna' virus.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...jing-escalates

so ?

which could also make a conspiracy theory seem more valid to some

by my comment as i tried had to do so was a so tongue in cheek reply (and thats why i made the second post as fast as the first) to some of the posts made here and comments made in them and to be taken with no validity at all

[five 7]

Originally Posted by wodahs

so ?

which could also make a conspiracy theory seem more valid to some

by my comment as i tried had to do so was a so tongue in cheek reply (and thats why i made the second post as fast as the first) to some of the posts made here and comments made in them and to be taken with no validity at all

Hey right or wrong Trump has, and will lay this on China, i may have taken your post a bit out of context, read it fast.
Cheers.

[Sioso]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Yeah the Yanks seem to have the idea,don’t worry about food or clothing etc,just make sure you have plenty of guns and ammo.See they are limiting purchase of 9mm ammo to 100 rounds per person.Number 1 why do they need guns anyway.Number 2 why would they need 100 rounds.

As much as I hate to admit it, if I was in America I'd stock up on guns and ammo also, I don't want to be the guy up the road with plenty of supplies but no firearms to protect it.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Sioso

As much as I hate to admit it, if I was in America I'd stock up on guns and ammo also, I don't want to be the guy up the road with plenty of supplies but no firearms to protect it.

Buy guns and ammo, then you can take all the supplies from your lefty anti gun neighbor who kindly amassed all these supplies for you and can't defend themselves

[Fed]

Aside from killing the old sick people they say it also eats the lungs of the younger healthy people leaving permanent damage. I wouldn't like that.

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by Fed

Aside from killing the old sick people they say it also eats the lungs of the younger healthy people leaving permanent damage. I wouldn't like that.

have seen it stated (but cant say if true) that it can do the same to the liver as well and id agree with you that I wouldn't like that

[buggerlugs]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-...-dies/12090912

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-...-dies/12090912

Does that really surprise anyone though? Of course there isn't enough medical equipment to go around.

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-...-dies/12090912

Interesting fact and something that stands out foremost and quite alarming when I first opened this link !!!!.

Here we have a handful of specialists and they are not practising the most paramount thing we are told to date......... social distancing !!!!.

Also to note, that one of the Doctors (pic'd) has contracted covid.

I work in Healthcare and this is rammed into us to be paramount, but this pic is a standout issue for me.

[b0son]

Anyone who thinks we're starting to get it under control, think again. The reason we had a dip in new cases was because the testing was not ramping up with the projected rise from 24th to 25th, and actually fell by half on the 27th. IOW, they were rationing test kits. Expect the case count to start ramping back up over the next few days. The effects of the formal stage 1 restrictions are unlikely to be observable til some time later this week.

[Tickford.]

That will be one of if not the biggest issue here in Australia too. Medical staff, nurses, doctors, etc., contracting the CV. And then having to isolate. Which means less and less staff available as more and more cases come in. Which in turn puts additional pressure on the remaining staff. This is also something the overseas medical professionals had warned us about.

It's already begun - with doctors and nurses around Australia testing positive. Now having to isolate.

Example of a case reported a few days ago:

https://www.smh.com.au/national/four...25-p54dmg.html

[galaxy xr8]

https://nationalfile.com/chinese-com...lies-to-china/


Under investigation ?.

[Falcon SXR8]

I'm finding it amazing how many people on social media have a friend, or a friend of a friend who is a " highly qualified professional in the medical field" and can give out " insider information "

And a tip for the people without guns as a protection. You have a small supply of food for the gun nuts when they come and keep your real supply well hidden. Most the gun nuts will be killed by each other fairly quickly anyway trying to defend there toilet paper.

And that's advice from a friend of a friend of mine who is the highest ranking officer in the australian defense force, so you can believe it

[XByoot]

Originally Posted by Falcon SXR8

And a tip for the people without guns as a protection. You have a small supply of food for the gun nuts when they come and keep your real supply well hidden. Most the gun nuts will be killed by each other fairly quickly anyway trying to defend there toilet paper.

And that's advice from a friend of a friend of mine who is the highest ranking officer in the australian defense force, so you can believe it

Mate, I totally get the point of your post and the friend of a friends neighbour social media rumour mill. I totally agree there’s so much misinformation out there.

But for those of us with very real friends in the US I can assure you it’s a very real threat. I doubt a burger, fries and a coke will satisfy the assailants needs, but I’ll pass it on, I’m sure she will feel reassured by this recommendation as she has a gun wielding drug starved whacker holding up her shop or home and pointing a gun up her left nostril and god knows what else up other orifaces .

Sorry mate, just a bit of a tender spot for me as I’m concerned for her, but I do understand what your getting at, cheers.

[Romulus]

And this is exactly the type of fear and misinformation peddled by #TheirABC.

Nothing but modelling and assumptions. MSM should realise not everyone has double digit IQ’s who believe this garbage.

[marty351]

Sry..https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...N8ZFOD4xbU2nov

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by marty351

Sry..https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...N8ZFOD4xbU2nov

Link not working

[oldel]

If you want to talk about being prewarned, SARS is similar and they still haven't got a vaccine for it, neither was Trump POTUS. This is just a mutation on that and I guess the world stopped caring about that corona virus because it was pretty much contained in Asia. Mostly because there wasn't many Chinese working in Italy or on cruise ships during the SARS outbreak.

[GasoLane]

Pinched from FB....................

[b0son]

Originally Posted by oldel

If you want to talk about being prewarned, SARS is similar and they still haven't got a vaccine for it

SARS ran its course. There was no money to be made, so a vaccine was never tested.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...dried-n1150091

[oldel]

Yeah I know. Imagine how much closer they would be right now with a vaccine for covid19 if they persisted back then.

Oh well, too bad. You can't say the world wasn't warned though!
That's the problem with people, we keep not caring until it affects us personally or financially.

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by oldel

If you want to talk about being prewarned, SARS is similar and they still haven't got a vaccine for it, neither was Trump POTUS. This is just a mutation on that and I guess the world stopped caring about that corona virus because it was pretty much contained in Asia. Mostly because there wasn't many Chinese working in Italy or on cruise ships during the SARS outbreak.

It was also due to rich Chinese flying direct from Wuhan to Northern Italy to shop. The government there encouraged the locals to hug a Chinese at the start of the outbreak because they were worried about potential racism.
February 1st was hug a Chinese day...
8 weeks later there's 10000 dead.

[oldel]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

It was also due to rich Chinese flying direct from Wuhan to Northern Italy to shop. The government there encouraged the locals to hug a Chinese at the start of the outbreak because they were worried about potential racism.
February 1st was hug a Chinese day...
8 weeks later there's 10000 dead.

That wasn't specific to Chinese shoppers and tourists. Northern Italy is now full of Chinese workers, the amount of them there has been growing for 10 years because they work there making all the "made in Italy" fashions, leather and pottery etc which was my point.

The government was trying to cool the racism there because of the workers, not the shoppers.
First google link for hug a chinese: https://kprcradio.iheart.com/feature...a-chinese-day/

Workers!

If the cruise lines, Italian industry and where ever else wasn't being typical in their behaviour (import the cheapest labour and don't pay the local labour rate or hire locals) then this virus wouldn't have got spread so much. Western employers choices is the cause for the spread of this virus.

As I mentioned before, the only difference between covid19 and SARS is in the past 15 or so years western companies have been increasingly reliant on cheap goods AND imported labour from China. If that wasn't the case this wouldn't have spread more than SARS in 2002 (plenty of rich Chinese shoppers and tourists back then as well.) It's only the spreading of the Chinese workforce that has changed since.
E: You could casually google right now and find a lot of articles from between 2010 and 2018 remarking on the increasing numbers of Chinese working on cruise ships or in northern Italy between those years because it was newsworthy as it was happening.
That's why the West has SARS 2.0

[superyob]

Originally Posted by oldel

That wasn't specific to Chinese shoppers and tourists. Northern Italy is now full of Chinese workers, the amount of them there has been growing for 10 years because they work there making all the "made in Italy" fashions, leather and pottery etc which was my point.

The government was trying to cool the racism there because of the workers, not the shoppers.
First google link for hug a chinese: https://kprcradio.iheart.com/feature...a-chinese-day/

Workers!

If the cruise lines, Italian industry and where ever else wasn't being typical in their behaviour (import the cheapest labour and don't pay the local labour rate or hire locals) then this virus wouldn't have got spread so much. Western employers choices is the cause for the spread of this virus.

As I mentioned before, the only difference between covid19 and SARS is in the past 15 or so years western companies have been increasingly reliant on cheap goods AND imported labour from China. If that wasn't the case this wouldn't have spread more than SARS in 2002 (plenty of rich Chinese shoppers and tourists back then as well.) It's only the spreading of the Chinese workforce that has changed since.
E: You could casually google right now and find a lot of articles from between 2010 and 2018 remarking on the increasing numbers of Chinese working on cruise ships or in northern Italy between those years because it was newsworthy as it was happening.
That's why the West has SARS 2.0

What 'racism'???

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by oldel

That wasn't specific to Chinese shoppers and tourists. Northern Italy is now full of Chinese workers, the amount of them there has been growing for 10 years because they work there making all the "made in Italy" fashions, leather and pottery etc which was my point.

The government was trying to cool the racism there because of the workers, not the shoppers.
First google link for hug a chinese: https://kprcradio.iheart.com/feature...a-chinese-day/

Workers!

If the cruise lines, Italian industry and where ever else wasn't being typical in their behaviour (import the cheapest labour and don't pay the local labour rate or hire locals) then this virus wouldn't have got spread so much. Western employers choices is the cause for the spread of this virus.

As I mentioned before, the only difference between covid19 and SARS is in the past 15 or so years western companies have been increasingly reliant on cheap goods AND imported labour from China. If that wasn't the case this wouldn't have spread more than SARS in 2002 (plenty of rich Chinese shoppers and tourists back then as well.) It's only the spreading of the Chinese workforce that has changed since.
E: You could casually google right now and find a lot of articles from between 2010 and 2018 remarking on the increasing numbers of Chinese working on cruise ships or in northern Italy between those years because it was newsworthy as it was happening.
That's why the West has SARS 2.0

If the CCP hadn't suppressed and lied about the outbreak and silence and arrest those who were reporting the severity of the outbreak in December 19, 90% of the outbreak could have been prevented.

That you blame Westerners for CCP policy is disgraceful.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

It was also due to rich Chinese flying direct from Wuhan to Northern Italy to shop. The government there encouraged the locals to hug a Chinese at the start of the outbreak because they were worried about potential racism.
February 1st was hug a Chinese day...
8 weeks later there's 10000 dead.

That's a heavy price to pay for 'wokeness'. Wasn't the Andrews government in Police State Victoria swinging the Chinese flag recently? How'd that virtue signalling go? Isn't a lockdown there almost imminent?

[Fed]

Has anyone figured out how to make a homemade ventilator yet using common household parts?
They're just a mechanical bellows aren't they.
I'd turn the handle for while for my wife if she couldn't do it.

[oldel]

Originally Posted by Fed

Has anyone figured out how to make a homemade ventilator yet using common household parts?
They're just a mechanical bellows aren't they.
I'd turn the handle for while for my wife if she couldn't do it.

You could use a CPAP (sleep apnea machine). The only reason why hospitals don't is of course it's not a sealed system, air is vented out freely so the person using one can infect others.
But if you're dying from covid19 at home and the hospitals are full anyway feel free to use one.


E: I bet everywhere is sold out of them or the price for them has doubled recently!

[marty351]

Excellent!

[oldel]

LOL, China isn't good and they use subterfuge, spying and try to buy off poorer nations etc.

But what you posted was a hell of a lot of words to say nothing about China spreading covid19 on purpose unless it was an accident after stealing from a USA hospital cancer ward (I doubt they had covid19).
If you want to go into conspiracy theories China already experienced SARS, not the USA.

E: Just so you know, SARS is SARS-CoV and covid19 is SARS-CoV-2 (the 'id' in covid is id, '19' for the year it started. So SARS is corona virus, covid 19 is SARS corona virus 2 id:2019).

They're 86% the same but covid 19 is a mutant that is more virulent and seems to transmit easier - so it might last longer outside a host - like on a hard surface, or it might be more resistant to disinfectants and our immune systems.
E: or it might live in infected people longer before they show symptoms, so they have longer to spread it before feeling unwell - I strongly believe that is the case because people have it with minor symptoms and many suddenly drop dead after 1-2 days - Apparently this is how the younger and healthier people have died recently.

I guess I'm saying a lock down is good, don't trust people that seem healthy right now.