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The Experience...
Join Date: Sep 2010
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Hi all,
Since getting my car back Ive realized that wheel spin is a little issue. On a real cool night Im having a lot of trouble of trying to keep 2nd gear stable. (Bugger all chance of 1st gear) This is after driving for well over an hour with full heat in the tires. Now I have deep dish rims on the rear (10.5 inch) though they are on the by Nankangs or what ever they are called, understandably not the greatest tyre to use. In your experiences, what have been things to help you with this, further more, with down the track looking at getting more HP this problem is only going to grow. Any ideas, tips, suggestions would be appreciated. Apologies in advance Mods if this isnt in the correct area. Please move if need be. Thanks.
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Sandtrap Motorsport
Join Date: Nov 2005
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throttle control.
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Lacking Imagination
Join Date: Jul 2006
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i always consult a suspension place with these problems,
they sorted out my valiant, my brothers audi and helping me sort out the weird issue i am having with the AU.. Heasmen's and K-Mac are who i use in Sydney
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pursuit ute baby
Join Date: Jun 2010
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with 280 at the wheels, youre always going to have issues on nangkangs. Also agree with getting your suspension looked at, ultimately the cheapeat and smartest thing to do is throttle control, but if youre insistant and want a faster car not a tyre burner, invest in some expensive rubber.
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Critical Thinker
Join Date: Jan 2005
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I would check your tire pressure too. Even at full temperature if the pressure is too high the lack grip will be accentuated. Also short shifting and regulating throttle can help.
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Lacking Imagination
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My brothers audi still has trouble holding all four Pirelly 19x275 tyres on the road ... but he has 450kW @ All Four, But Heasmens were able to build him custom bilstein shocks which helped, and with their recommendation on spring rates, a friend at kmac made him new springs
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The Experience...
Join Date: Sep 2010
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I did figure that tyres would play a big roll, but even with getting some real good rubber, and later down the track looking at also closer to 400rwkws, am I going to be back at stage 1 again?
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The Experience...
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450rwkw awd! Now Id love to see that thing in action!!!
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Tweed Coast, NSW
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Wheelspin
Irradictated Forever Enabler The W.I.F.E has been around for many years, It does come at great expense, although some have found other uses for it away from the car. Although my W.I.F.E. has many audible alarms, not just wheelspin irradication, it comes with a built in speed alert, tailgating alert, I have tried to see if the W.I.F.E would work in the home, but to no avail ![]()
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I'm confused by this thread. Is the issue that it doesn't do it in 3rd? :P
It's never going to be great in a falcon. You could run around on semi slicks all day long like some do? I've resorted to just taking it easy on the road. Use semi's or slicks for racing. Every time it spins and frustrates you on the street just think of all the license points are you saving.
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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Ive got Nangkang tyres on the Subaru, i run them at ~42psi. 1st gear off the lights as normal in the rain = spinfest.
My solution is to plant it till gear 1 runs out and have to shift to second. If second spins, go to third. But that doesnt happen with 30kw at the wheels.
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Join Date: Mar 2009
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I run Falkens on the missus EL XR8 and they are pretty good.
For the track get a set of Mickey Thompson ET Streets. Road legal (can fit them before going to the track) and as they are classed as a street radial you dont need front runners , tailshaft loop etc at the track unlike proper slicks. They will wear out as you look at them but they are like driving on a piece of velcro dipped in Super Glue. |
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Fixing Ford's **** ups
Join Date: Feb 2009
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Simple solution. Right foot control.
I have driven some pretty wild machines in my line of work and I have never had a traction issue with any of them, as I have learnt how to control my right foot. The one car that really sticks in my mind, was a Nissan Skyline. Twin plate clutch, massive turbo, locked diff, std street tyres. Bloody weapon. Change gears under 3000 RPM and it was like you were learning to drive a manual equipped car. However, I never had traction issues with that car and I was just test driving it before and after a wheel alignment. So adjust driving style first, before throwing money at it.
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Graham is that you? vkval?
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Jul 2007
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how about a dual stage boost controller? gives you a little less power in the first two gears
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Join Date: Jul 2007
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how about not driving lead foot like a maniac, that usually fixes wheel spin issues.. especially on public roads.
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What power is your car making cryhsv??
never mind i see now lol
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Apart from the obvious throttle control point, get some real performance tyres. I had nankangs on my GT on the recommendation of a tuner, claimed they were great value, good wear and great grip. Value=nil, wear=not good(due to next point) and grip=nil. They were the largest piece of crap tyre ever, even my mildly modded, 245rwkw GT could turn the treads in the 1-2 change and in the wet was just plain scary. I then went to Toyo Proxes 4 and they were much better but I was still not happy. I now run Toyo Proxes T1R on the phoon and they are brilliant, yes I can lay strips with them but I have to exercise no throttle control to do it.
I will never understand why people spend $10k+ getting squillions of killer wasps and enough to torque to alter the rotation of the earth and then want tyres for $220 a piece with lack lustre performance. All the power in the world is no good if you can not get it to the ground. I would sort out some decent rubber before getting suspension done, no point spending all ghat money on power and suspension when the largest single improvement would come from getting some true performance tyres. I would leave the nankangs for the next burnout comp.
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My old Charger I owned when I was 18 had nearly 300hp out of a 265 hemi, and it was running the "normal" fat tyres at the time of 195/70-14". Wheelspin was a problem for me with the four speed box, until an old hand gave me some sage advice.
He said "I can tell you exactly where your problem lies...", and he promptly trod on my right foot. ![]() ![]() Quote:
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Get some good quality tyres, look at your spring shock combo and modulate the throttle. Too much wheelspin is a good problem to have though
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I can only suggest you dont drive like a flog. I have driven a 300kw rear wheel torana that will wheelspin in 3rd at 100klms/hr if I wanted it to. If I didnt .......... it wouldnt........ Your driving style is the problem in this case......... Now when you actually hit the strip, a set of slicks will help you hook up but a little sorting of suspension will get the power to the ground more efficiently.
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1. Modulate throttle 2. Better tyres 3. Soften / adjust rear springs & dampeners. 4. Fit AU IRS like some E series owners have done! 5. Give the car to me! Enjoy.
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Magic word there for me is Nagnkang... good rubber is essential in keeping tracition. 2nd would be the rear suspension set up to ensure the load is dropped onto the rear tyres (but not too violently etc). 3rd would be throttle control.
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cryhsv, what pressures are you running?
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perhaps look at installing traction control through a motec or a specific device ........... http://www.racelogic.co.uk/index.php...action-control
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