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Old 04-07-2020, 08:23 PM   #91
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Old 04-07-2020, 09:36 PM   #92
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Sounds exactly like what most states do to P platers with vehicle restrictions and some states like NSW are even worse with arbitrary speed limits for them?

When I got my licence there were no restrictions on what you could drive.

I started to learn car control from about the age of 10 by driving old beat up pieces of junk in the cloverfields back home and my first car at 17 was a 1976 4 speed, 308 HX Ute.

I can't honestly say I really had control of it but I was lucky and survived that period but one thing I did learn from losing a few friends, it's not necessarily the power of the car that kills as low power vehicles can also get up enough of a head of stream to quickly distinguish a life.

Limiting power to novice drivers is a smart move but it still won't save them from themselves.





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Firstly I didn't know this forum had so many 90+ year old members. A lot of people seem to be taking this thread as a personal attack on their driving. I don't think most people would consider people in their 60s are 70s as old drivers.


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Yeah I reckon a big percentage of drivers think that the give way to the right is the rule, whereas it states in all the road rules that you must give way to any vehicle already in the roundabout
It seems that most people don't know the proper roundabout rules, but since everyone agrees on the same wrong rules it actually works out ok most of the time.



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I think that by law you had to give way to him anyway.

Vic roads....

"The most important thing to remember is when you’re entering a roundabout, you must give way to any vehicle already in the roundabout and any tram that is entering or approaching the roundabout.

Which you did....and lived to tell the tale.
If that's how Vic roads interprets the rule then that's ridiculous.

NSW it states something like you have to follow instructions related to the lane that you enter the roundabout in. You are allowed to change lanes on a roundabout but you have to give way to vehicles in the other lane.

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Someone will ALWAYS attempt to overtake the person in front doing 85km/h, at 92km/h and takes up the entire overtaking lane and no one else can get by while the 15-20 cars behind all get ****ed off and then overtaking starts happening in dangerous spots.
That stuff is frustrating, but at least they have the excuse of a single lane road. Few days ago on a 3 lane highway I came across 3 people sitting side by side doing 85 in a 110 zone.
Then people wonder why some other drivers are sitting 10m from the car in front at high speed.

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Old 04-07-2020, 10:13 PM   #94
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Lol on roundabout rules. (again)

Seriously no wonder Ford has a bad name if owners are so ****ing stupid.
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Lol on roundabout rules. (again)
Which ones do you think are wrong this time?
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Which ones do you think are wrong this time?
The same ones.

Ford I'm sure has good drivers too but lack of knowledge stands out. (people ^ don't even understand a basic roundabout)

Old and/or incapacity to drive and risk to others due to health get off the road. Buses, trams, trains, Ubers exist.
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The same ones.

Ford I'm sure has good drivers too but lack of knowledge stands out. (people ^ don't even understand a basic roundabout)

Old and/or incapacity to drive and risk to others due to health get off the road. Buses, trams, trains, Ubers exist.
It's a good thing I don't drive a Ford then.

Like you say it's not hard.
Give way to other vehicles on a roundabout (usually on your right..... if they're on your left someone's doing it wrong) and blink off when exiting.
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It's a good thing I don't drive a Ford then.

Like you say it's not hard.
Give way to other vehicles on a roundabout (usually on your right..... if they're on your left someone's doing it wrong) and blink off when exiting.
I don't either. But I will soon.

You are an absolute clown.......seriously.

That has nothing to do with my near accident due to (old) idiot driver cutting off as in wrong lane.

Read my diagram again. It's grade 5 stuff.
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I don't either. But I will soon.

You are an absolute clown.

That has nothing to do with my near accident due to idiot driver.
Clown?

I never mentioned your near miss, I was just pointing out the basics of roundabout rules.
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Clown?

I never mentioned your near miss, I was just pointing out the basics of roundabout rules.
Well everyone else has. Basics aren't followed hence the discussion.

All that crap still in thread so either moderate properly or not.
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It's a good thing I don't drive a Ford then.

Like you say it's not hard.
Give way to other vehicles on a roundabout (usually on your right..... if they're on your left someone's doing it wrong) and blink off when exiting.
Eggsacery.

If you enter the roundabout the same time as the bloke on ya right, he does not have right of way unless he is in something very big.
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Eggsacery.

If you enter the roundabout the same time as the bloke on ya right, he does not have right of way unless he is in something very big.
That is simply incorrect.

Blatantly WRONG.
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Well everyone else has. Basics aren't followed hence the discussion.

All that crap still in thread so either moderate properly or not.
Please don't tell me how to do my job. I don't tell you how to sweep your floors!
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Please don't tell me how to do my job. I don't tell you how to sweep your floors!
I don't sweep my floors.

I engage people to do that for me.

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Again.

The Blue car has NO RIGHT to cross the green car.

Nothing to do with roundabout rules as the left car never entered it ffs as straight or left only.
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Franco can help lift it back off!

But maybe he's got his security gig : )
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Completely irrelevant.
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It seems that most people don't know the proper roundabout rules, but since everyone agrees on the same wrong rules it actually works out ok most of the time.
Most people drive to survive...fortunately even if people completely stuff up at a roundabout they have usually slowed down so the consequences are relatively minor.

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If that's how Vic roads interprets the rule then that's ridiculous.
I think it was a national change some years back.

I actually think it's great...it stops those idiots who scream up to a roundabout just cause they are approaching to your right.
But of course many blokes at the pearly gates screaming out that they had the right of way...so survival instincts usually kick in.

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NSW it states something like you have to follow instructions related to the lane that you enter the roundabout in. You are allowed to change lanes on a roundabout but you have to give way to vehicles in the other lane.
That is simply a variation of the rule that the driver crossing a dotted line must give way....a dotted line is a "Give Way" sign.

Remember though...just cause a vehicle is in the right lane and if you are entering the left lane he still has the right of way in both lanes...because he is already in the roundabout....and you are not.

BUT...entering a roundabout also crosses a Give Way line, therefore the give way to vehicles already on the roundabout takes precedence.


That...is the law, perhaps imperfect but a law, whether one agrees with it or not.
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Zilo please.

I'm already triggered.....ha

It's a very basic diagram.

Has nothing to do with giving way or anything.

The left lane CANNOT turn right.
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There's no doubt a lot of drivers don't understand when to or not to give way at a roundabout.

I see many drivers who think they're on a priority road and steam roll in at full speed expecting all other drivers to give way and I see driver's stop to give way to cars on their right that are still 40 metres from the roundabout.

The one thing I don't see from the more aggressive drivers is any hint of slowing down on approach as is required for all drivers coming into a roundabout.

That in itself would assist the more timid drivers and actually improve the flow of traffic at busy locations as originally intended by the law makers.

A special mention should also be made of Cav's good advice to always give way to something very big.



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A special mention should also be made of Cav's good advice to always give way to something very big.
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I agree.

Are we still talking cars?
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I don't either. But I will soon.

You are an absolute clown.......seriously.

That has nothing to do with my near accident due to (old) idiot driver cutting off as in wrong lane.

Read my diagram again. It's grade 5 stuff.

Are you off your Meds again..??? Serious Question..!!
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Are you off your Meds again..??? Serious Question..!!
I was never off "Meds".

How are you? Enjoying your evening?

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I've found putting on my hat when approaching roundabouts enhances my roundabout power.
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Limiting power to novice drivers is a smart move but it still won't save them from themselves. .
No, you can't save people from their own stupid actions.
But any of us who got their licence in country areas in the early '60s had older cars that were very limited in power, handling, braking and safety.
Think of FX Holdens, Vauxhalls, Ford Prefects, Austin A40s, and Morris Minors.
Motoring in slow motion for the impatient youth.
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I've found putting on my BOWLS hat when approaching roundabouts enhances my roundabout power.

Fixed.
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You guys give way to others at roundabouts?

Same with traffic lights:

Green - go
Yellow - go faster
Red - look, then go

I understand what MercuryT is getting at, some geriatric turned right from the left lane of the roundabout when they shouldn't have.

I wasn't aware TAS had hook turn roundabouts

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You guys give way to others at roundabouts?
My favourite is the 'If I don't look at you you're not there' approach.
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