Covid 19 -

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by prydey

To be fair, the mess was caused by individuals not doing the right thing. The very fact guards were/are needed is a sad indictment on society.

If I come back from overseas and am told to isolate for two weeks, and instead I just do my own thing, that's on me.

Perhaps some would be happier if the premier took the Chinese approach and welded doors shut.

While I don’t disagree that people doing the wrong thing is beyond frustrating, using Victoria Police and or Military, rather than overnight “qualified” security would have avoided this entire situation.

Overall I think the Federal and State governments have done a pretty solid job, The Vic state government has had a number of highlighted failures that have resulted in the current situation, that’s on the individuals actions that were infected and quarantined and government decisions, and the latter part of that the buck stops with Andrews.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by prydey

To be fair, the mess was caused by individuals not doing the right thing. The very fact guards were/are needed is a sad indictment on society.

If I come back from overseas and am told to isolate for two weeks, and instead I just do my own thing, that's on me.

Perhaps some would be happier if the premier took the Chinese approach and welded doors shut.

If it was deemed necessary to hire private guards (and I can see the reasoning even if it don’t agree with it) then it should have had proper oversight.
That proper oversight may have ensured correct procedures were followed, and staff were given sufficient training asap.

The talk of guards being hired by text message, being given one face mask for a weeks worth of shifts, not emphasised the importance of maintain the isolation, there were all critical failures.

The average security guard doesn’t know how to handle the discipline required of a viral emergency, theyre flat out handling the average shopping mall on late night shopping.

This should have been foreseen, and controlled. Not short term contracts handed out and then assumed everything was all good.

[russellw]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Hey Russ. Didn't the Victorian government outsource quarantine to private contractors which led to the mess they are in?

Last I knew he was the Premier so the buck stops with him. I'm not saying he is an evil person like a lot of the media would like to think but that was a pretty big **** up.

Yes the Government did; exactly the same as three other States did so your point is? That this one has had a worse outcome than the other States is whose fault beside the morons who treated the hotel quarantine like a game? The real culprits are the nameless and faceless public servants who implemented the directions of the executive branch of Government when told to organise the hotel quarantine but they'll almost certainly never be held to account even internally.

As for the buck stopping with him, that's an old 'Westminster' concept from a much simpler time and a much more genteel age. Whether we like it or not, the business of Government is so far removed from the decision making process that the level of direct control is only as good as the knowledge of the Minister 'allegedly in charge'.

I'm not going to repeat what I've said before in this thread so if we get into any more political bashing in this thread, the posts will be deleted.

[gooseneck]

The Grim Reaper called. He doesn't want you calling it the Black Plague anymore.

He's gone all PC.

[XR Martin]

Hendra virus was named after a QLD suburb.

[Tickford.]

On the 19th of March 2020, Scott Morrison introduced measures to control COVID-19 within our Australian borders.

Further measures and restrictions were introduced in the following days. Then he left it up to the states and territories to handle the pandemic. Then demanded states re-open their boarders in July.

He had assumed that all of us, the Australian population - was one of intelligent, or considerate, or responsible enough to see us through this.

One should never assume. Because the word assume has made an áss out of u and me.

[Franco Cozzo]

Getting word that one if the handbag syndicate from QLD is also a sex worker - 2 so far upsetting people over COVID-19 shenanigans

[cheap]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Getting word that one if the handbag syndicate from QLD is also a sex worker - 2 so far upsetting people over COVID-19 shenanigans

Golly Gosh, looks like you and other's missed the subtle hint I placed in #4737.

More of the story is unfolding each day.

They did go to Melbourne, to steal\handbags?
They did host a drunken party at an Airbnb. Cops got called and shut down the 'gathering'

I wonder what their clients might be thinking?

Next time I'll make it bold underlined red text, oh I just did

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Getting word that one if the handbag syndicate from QLD is also a sex worker - 2 so far upsetting people over COVID-19 shenanigans

also saw rumour that same vice was happening in the quarantine

love will tear us apart

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

also saw rumour that same vice was happening in the quarantine

love will tear us apart

Police minister Lisa Neville warned about brothels today - the thing is that all the licensed venues are actually closed (or very few doing outcalls to their local areas only).

I'm assuming they're talking about the bazillion 'massage' places around Melbourne.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Police minister Lisa Neville warned about brothels today - the thing is that all the licensed venues are actually closed (or very few doing outcalls to their local areas only).



I'm assuming they're talking about the bazillion 'massage' places around Melbourne.

How do you know they are all closed and which ones are doing outcalls?

[cheap]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

also saw rumour that same vice was happening in the quarantine

love will tear us apart

Yes, its suggested that the “love you long time" ladies, were doing the rounds here in Qld whilst infected, hence the escalation in Qld contact tracing... this has all the makings of a colossal cluster f*** (excuse the pun)

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

On the 19th of March 2020, Scott Morrison introduced measures to control COVID-19 within our Australian borders.

Further measures and restrictions were introduced in the following days. Then he left it up to the states and territories to handle the pandemic. Then demanded states re-open their boarders in July.

He had assumed that all of us, the Australian population - was one of intelligent, or considerate, or responsible enough to see us through this.

One should never assume. Because the word assume has made an áss out of u and me.

File this under "assumed intelligent, or considerate, or responsible"

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...01-p55hke.html

the burgers are better near the border

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

File this under "assumed intelligent, or considerate, or responsible"

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...01-p55hke.html

the burgers are better near the border

Refusing to wear masks, having parties, going to work AFTER being diagnosed with COVID-19, and "driving 320km for a Big Mac"??

F**k each & every one of these mentally deficient, self-centred and harebrained c**ts. Totally ok with jail time for all of the above. Sick of doing the right thing & have these morons ruin it all.

[russellw]

602 new cases for Australia and 8 deaths sees the CMR rise to 1.165% and active cases rise to 6,726. NSW recorded 21, WA, Queensland, SA and the NT recorded 1 each with the balance were in Victoria.

No new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.410% and active cases fall to 22.

The UK recorded 880 new cases and 120 deaths yesterday so the CMR drops to 15.212%.

Just under 67k new cases in the USA yesterday and 1,445 deaths sees CMR down to 3.350% and active cases at 47.4% with the raw numbers still rising. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
The USA completes 58M, Russia 28M, the UK 16M and Canada 4M tests;
Asia records a new high for daily cases with 82,892 (and today is going to be higher);

Lebanon (221), Bosnia & Herzegovina (432), Poland (657), Venezuela (715), Uzbekistan (738), Ethiopia (915), Morocco(1,063), Iraq (3,346), Philippines (4,063) and India (57,704) all recorded new daily highs, those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[CoupeKing]

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdow...ial%20Election

I splash Blue Stratos on my mask.

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdow...ial%20Election

I splash Blue Stratos on my mask.

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdow...&font=sanserif

[XR Martin]

I guess the idea of putting them in hotels was to keep that industry afloat while no one was traveling.

[Fed]

anhoos I'm off to Bunnings 1st thing - in case they ban that as well

That's the spirit!
Covid, made round to go round, catch it while you can.

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by Fed

That's the spirit!
Covid, made round to go round, catch it while you can.

It seems the chance is disappearing fast; Russia expects to have their vaccine approved soon and will start mass distribution in October. China is already vaccinating all their military.
Why is the west so far behind? Are we being over cautious?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53621708

[LG17]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

It seems the chance is disappearing fast; Russia expects to have their vaccine approved soon and will start mass distribution in October. China is already vaccinating all their military.
Why is the west so far behind? Are we being over cautious?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53621708

We probably have a different attitude to human guinea pigs.

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by LG17

We probably have a different attitude to human guinea pigs.

Aren't we doing the same; letting people die from the disease? If they have experimented on their own people should we care? Shouldn't we just buy the Chinese vaccine? Whatever we end up getting will be manufactured there anyway.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

Why is the west so far behind?

Are we really that far behind?

A vaccine developed at Flinders in Adelaide has completed phase 1 of human trials with positive results.

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by prydey

Are we really that far behind?

A vaccine developed at Flinders in Adelaide has completed phase 1 of human trials with positive results.

I wasn't aware of the Flinders U vaccine, they may even be ahead of the UQ efforts which I have been following. Their research dept has all the right connections; the WHO, Bill Gates Foundation and the CEPI (Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovation) which specialises in vaccines. They also hold the patent on the Mocular clamp technology which may be the key for new vaccines.

No, we are not that far behind but every day is thousands of lives and billions of dollare.

[HIPO]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

I wasn't aware of the Flinders U vaccine, they may even be ahead of the UQ efforts which I have been following. Their research dept has all the right connections; the WHO, Bill Gates Foundation and the CEPI (Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovation) which specialises in vaccines. They also hold the patent on the Mocular clamp technology which may be the key for new vaccines.

No, we are not that far behind but every day is thousands of lives and billions of dollare.

Woah ,thats a scary combo!

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

China is already vaccinating all their military.
Why is the west so far behind? Are we being over cautious?

China has already begun vaccinating the 'Americas'.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/19...ests-in-brazil

China is using Brazil as their guineapigs.

In the coming months, I think there will be hundreds of different vaccines produced by hundreds of different parties. Everyone seems to be in a rush to get it out. Which one will work the best? Which one will have the least number of side effects 10-20 years from being vaccinated?

[Gas Wagon AUII]

Originally Posted by Fed

That's the spirit!
Covid, made round to go round, catch it while you can.

Sooo, entering a Bunnings, whilst wearing PPE, maintaining distancing, behaving hygienically like I've been doing for 20 weeks straight, is a problem ?
I live solo, was made redundant 2 yrs ago, don't have a job, I spent 10 hours applying for Jobseeker - only to be rejected due my income being couple hundred bucks above annual limit, (current Jobseeker's & Jobkeeper's earn thousands more than my meagre self supporting annual income). Even after spending 40 yrs paying taxes, most of it in Melb's once strong manufacturing industry - and yes some of it at Broadmeadows Ford manufacturing - and never being on the teet previously = Zero govt support. The reason I went to Bunnings is to do maintenance on my 90 year old timber house. I'm looking at another minimum of 6 weeks straight at being at home, with no legal reason allowed to be anywhere else. Should I be discouraged from being active around the house ? Are other people in my position finding a lack of support; is our mental health even important ?
All because someone ate a Bat. Then someone else neglected to provide EFFECTIVE quarantine for our island nation.
The BEST part of this six months of home detention, will be that;
I've learned to lower my expectations of governments everywhere -
that way, they find it very difficult to disappoint me ;) yee haah

[Citroënbender]

It’s near Messianic, the fervour. Everyone is waiting for the Saviour (vaccine or elimination, depending on your doctrine), and decrying the unbelievers.

[Sprintey]

Australian Jesus might say "Just stay the f@#k at home c&%ce"

Gas Wagon AUII similar here with applying, holding breath time, so I see it as time to get things done, better future afterward, good luck on the house and hope you can continue to get parts to do it up well.

[Fed]

Originally Posted by Gas Wagon AUII

Sooo, entering a Bunnings, whilst wearing PPE, maintaining distancing, behaving hygienically like I've been doing for 20 weeks straight, is a problem ?
I live solo, was made redundant 2 yrs ago, don't have a job, I spent 10 hours applying for Jobseeker - only to be rejected due my income being couple hundred bucks above annual limit, (current Jobseeker's & Jobkeeper's earn thousands more than my meagre self supporting annual income). Even after spending 40 yrs paying taxes, most of it in Melb's once strong manufacturing industry - and yes some of it at Broadmeadows Ford manufacturing - and never being on the teet previously = Zero govt support. The reason I went to Bunnings is to do maintenance on my 90 year old timber house. I'm looking at another minimum of 6 weeks straight at being at home, with no legal reason allowed to be anywhere else. Should I be discouraged from being active around the house ? Are other people in my position finding a lack of support; is our mental health even important ?
All because someone ate a Bat. Then someone else neglected to provide EFFECTIVE quarantine for our island nation.
The BEST part of this six months of home detention, will be that;
I've learned to lower my expectations of governments everywhere -
that way, they find it very difficult to disappoint me ;) yee haah

It was just the last line of the post that seemed to be in glaringly stark contrast to the rest of your post which I wholeheartedly agree with.
I've found I can get everything delivered except cigs.