Holden dump's Camaro for Ozz

sbutler · 20-05-2015, 07:08 PM

http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2015...59?csn_tn=true

timeout · 20-05-2015, 08:30 PM

this is Holdens version of Fords drop the v8 moment from 1982. wow so that leaves an Opal OPC TTV6 once the commodore finishes. No wonder walkinshaw is looking at ram utes (rumor)?

granted we are losing the Falcon and s/c v8 and Turbo 6 atleast we have a v8 mustang!

Holden is going polar oposite!

Bossxr8 · 20-05-2015, 10:21 PM

If they can't get the numbers to go RHD for a much cheaper Camaro, what chance does the expensive Corvette have. It's just not going to happen.

But GM have said they will have a RWD V8, so what's it going to be? Cadillac?

239 kw V6 SS

40RDT · 20-05-2015, 10:24 PM

This will be interesting if true:

"Insiders claim the muscled-up Opel is the fastest accelerating HSV road car ever. Given its 430kW GTS flagship – Australia's quickest ever production car -- is no slouch, it could be something worth waiting for"

Bossxr8 · 20-05-2015, 10:32 PM

AWD grip will get it going, but if they think V8 buyers will give 2 ****es and buy one they are kidding themselves.

Moby Vic · 20-05-2015, 10:52 PM

Surely this is One Ford's fault somehow.

**ebxr8240** · 20-05-2015, 11:04 PM

Or guveamunt?

CyberWasp · 20-05-2015, 11:20 PM

I wonder if they are just saying that to keep V8 Commodore sales trickling along.

neptune blue · 20-05-2015, 11:22 PM

Muscle car market in Aus is stuffed. most duche bag car buys want gadgets and yuppie girly looks instead of style and power

DanielXR8 · 21-05-2015, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by sbutler

http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2015...59?csn_tn=true

Somehow an article that states "Holden to leave muscle car market to Mustang", becomes "Holden dump's Camaro for Ozz". Joshua Dowling would be proud of that headline spin.

**Polyal** · 21-05-2015, 08:09 AM

They would be mad to not bring Cadillac in given they wont have much left. Problem is if its the same price as BMW, Merc et al then you may aswell stick with the Germans.

Whats with US car companies being so slow to build platforms that easy accept LHD & RHD?

Moby Vic · 21-05-2015, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Whats with US car companies being so slow to build platforms that easy accept LHD & RHD?

Probably because of our LHD market in the hundreds of millions at home. And much more restrictive regulatory environments in RHD countries.

**Mesa** · 21-05-2015, 10:40 AM

Thank Christ. That Camaro looks hideous.

Shouldn't this story been preceded with one about homlogating it so they can use it for motorsport first?? You know, like the 427 Monaro was??

MickyB · 21-05-2015, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

If they can't get the numbers to go RHD for a much cheaper Camaro, what chance does the expensive Corvette have. It's just not going to happen.

But GM have said they will have a RWD V8, so what's it going to be? Cadillac?

239 kw V6 SS

I agree, no way GM will allow Holden to slap their badge on their 'halo' Corvette. Either it will be a new car, or nothing. A contact at Holden told me earlier this year that the 'V8 sports car' announcement was purely to steal a bit of thunder from the Mustang and that there was nothing concrete in the works.

MethodX · 21-05-2015, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by superpursuit05

Thank Christ. That Camaro looks hideous.

Shouldn't this story been preceded with one about homlogating it so they can use it for motorsport first?? You know, like the 427 Monaro was??

Its evolutionary and just as good looking as the mustang.
If not better

BradEL · 21-05-2015, 08:07 PM

Ah well all the more reason to be happy driving the cars we have now?

GTP534 · 21-05-2015, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

Its evolutionary and just as good looking as the mustang.
If not better

I don't agree with you on the looks.

But, in America, it has been getting some rave reviews following some pre-release drive previews.

why · 22-05-2015, 02:42 PM

Sweet looking car, that dash is a bit of an eye full though!.................It's all a mute point, won't be coming here. It would have looked good being here with the Mustang

**Mesa** · 23-05-2015, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

Its evolutionary and just as good looking as the mustang.
If not better

Sorry, but to me that front looks too angular. I'm not a fan of the new Mustang either. Personally I'd prefer the Dodge Challenger.

DrSnooper · 23-05-2015, 02:45 PM

Just got back from the US and there were lots of Camaro's and Challenger's, not alot of the new Mustang compared to these.

**peaterj** · 23-05-2015, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by superpursuit05

Sorry, but to me that front looks too angular. I'm not a fan of the new Mustang either. Personally I'd prefer the Dodge Challenger.

Challenger might be coming here yet.

http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2015...32?csn_tn=true

DrSnooper · 23-05-2015, 03:47 PM

They look good on the road!!!

asagaai · 23-05-2015, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by why

Sweet looking car, that dash is a bit of an eye full though!.................It's all a mute point, won't be coming here. It would have looked good being here with the Mustang

The outside is a bit stealth fighter angular hard angles, but if it was a weekender toy, I could live with the outside looks if it went like stink and sounded like sex and I suspect I would get to love the lines even.....

But that interior, looks like some gaming computer geeks control room with glary geeky computer reclining chairs...I may be odd but I prefer the utility functional FGX XR8 interior-it is neutral and just fades away aside from the focal rev counter and speedo...

Moby Vic · 24-05-2015, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSnooper

Just got back from the US and there were lots of Camaro's and Challenger's, not alot of the new Mustang compared to these.

The Camaro and Challenger have been out for several years. The 2015 Mustang debuted less than a year ago.

Struggo · 24-05-2015, 03:40 PM

As if Holden have a say in the matter. They are just a box mover from 2017.

GTP-RPD · 24-05-2015, 08:01 PM

The makeover of Holden dealerships will probably start late 2016/17. The lion badge will be ancillary and one of a a few appearing under the GM moniker on dealerships.

CQB-241 · 25-05-2015, 12:29 AM

Stupid thing is the Camaro is based on Commodore architecture so it should be a doddle to build it in RHD. There was talk of a new smaller RWD architecture which will be RHD compatable for next gen Camaro and a RWD sedan but this suggests that maybe that is shelved.

MethodX · 25-05-2015, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CQB-241

Stupid thing is the Camaro is based on Commodore architecture so it should be a doddle to build it in RHD. There was talk of a new smaller RWD architecture which will be RHD compatable for next gen Camaro and a RWD sedan but this suggests that maybe that is shelved.

old one was based on Zeta, this is on Alpha platform apparently, why its lighter.

CQB-241 · 25-05-2015, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

old one was based on Zeta, this is on Alpha platform apparently, why its lighter.

Alpha was planned for RHD from start. Guess RHD not important enough.

AUwindsor · 25-05-2015, 08:14 PM

Reading a heap of replies on USA forums, new owners of Camaro not overall impressed with particularly the hefty weight of the Zeta platform.

The difference between American car manufacturers, is the americans somewhat listen to their customers feedback. The Australians in some of these companies have the "we'll build what we think is best and they'll buy anything" attitude. That attitude works short term.