Highest Output 2ltr N/A engine

Grasshoppr · 07-03-2007, 03:04 PM

I currently have a bet with a friend about the highest output 2ltr production engine.

I think its the Honda S2000 and after numerous Google, ask.com etc.. searchs I think this would be correct.

Does anyone know of a (standard production car only) N/A 2ltr engine that produces more than 177kw and 208nm???

Thanks

MITCHAY · 07-03-2007, 03:23 PM

Should have just PM'd Steffo

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I would say it would be from the Honda camp though.

Dave_au · 07-03-2007, 03:26 PM

I'm guessing by highest output you mean kw and not nm. Audi has a series of 2.0L engines that although produce less kw, they produce more torque, and hence are probably a little more drivable than the s2000 - which gets its kw figure at some crazy rpm figure of 7 or 8000 rpm.

And for forced induction engines its the Mitsubishi Evolution FTW.

206kw 355nm.

Bucket · 07-03-2007, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave_au

I'm guessing by highest output you mean kw and not nm. Audi has a series of 2.0L engines that although produce less kw, they produce more torque, and hence are probably a little more drivable than the s2000 - which gets its kw figure at some crazy rpm figure of 7 or 8000 rpm.

I was thinking the same thing

Bucket · 07-03-2007, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave_au

I'm guessing by highest output you mean kw and not nm. Audi has a series of 2.0L engines that although produce less kw, they produce more torque, and hence are probably a little more drivable than the s2000 - which gets its kw figure at some crazy rpm figure of 7 or 8000 rpm.

And for forced induction engines its the Mitsubishi Evolution FTW.

206kw 355nm.

No? I think theres more powerful out there
Dont forget TDCI

Two Litre Mondeo TDCI...400NM of Torque

melbzetec · 07-03-2007, 03:34 PM

S2000 was the most powerful, but I think it's now been pipped by something else. And Diesel could be a worry

Grasshoppr · 07-03-2007, 03:34 PM

thanks for you input guys, I am really after a non turbo/supercharged application.

In regards to Kw vs Nm I guess we only really spoke about Kw but it still seems that the S2000 is the go

mcnews · 07-03-2007, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BLKPhoon

I currently have a bet with a friend about the highest output 2ltr production engine.

I think its the Honda S2000 and after numerous Google, ask.com etc.. searchs I think this would be correct.

Does anyone know of a (standard production car only) N/A 2ltr engine that produces more than 177kw and 208nm???

Thanks

Use one from a bike like a lot of lightweight sports car manufacturers are doing in Europe. A standard 1 litre engine out of a sportsbike will make 180hp at the crank and to boot along with the complete fast change gearbox that allows for clutchless up changing and a slipper clutch to help reduce unwanted effects from engine braking and the whole engine/gearbox combination would weigh in under 100kg to boot.

Those little toy car thingos that are like out of a cartoon but dressed up as Fords and Holdens that race in some series. They use ancient FJ1200 Yamah motorcycle engines that have absolutely nothing on the latest litre sportsbike motors. And you seen how fast those little things lap...

Dave_au · 07-03-2007, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BLKPhoon

thanks for you input guys, I am really after a non turbo/supercharged application.

In regards to Kw vs Nm I guess we only really spoke about Kw but it still seems that the S2000 is the go

The general comments surrounding the s2000 have always been and will always be that the car simply produces the kw to high and without enough torque.

Probably for the most powerful NA engines you would have to start looking towards rotaries - the Rx8 1.3L rotary develops 177kw and 211 torque, defeating your s2000, but given its a 1.3L I assume this is not the sort of answer your after.

Ghiadude · 07-03-2007, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BLKPhoon

thanks for you input guys, I am really after a non turbo/supercharged application.

In regards to Kw vs Nm I guess we only really spoke about Kw but it still seems that the S2000 is the go

I think your right in terms of production cars ( i cant think of any that are higher)... aftermarket is definately another story

Simmo · 07-03-2007, 04:00 PM

haha yeh what about a 20b rotary? 2.0L, 3 rotor, N/A motor. i'm looking for power but can only find info on the turbo 20b's used in the Mazda Cosmo. i'm sure that would be more powerful than an s2000.

mowog · 07-03-2007, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Simmo

haha yeh what about a 20b rotary? 2.0L, 3 rotor, N/A motor. i'm looking for power but can only find info on the turbo 20b's used in the Mazda Cosmo. i'm sure that would be more powerful than an s2000.

But a triple rotor engine isnt a 4 Cycl...

Dave_au · 07-03-2007, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Simmo

haha yeh what about a 20b rotary? 2.0L, 3 rotor, N/A motor. i'm looking for power but can only find info on the turbo 20b's used in the Mazda Cosmo. i'm sure that would be more powerful than an s2000.

Yep it is - potentially more powerful than the Mitsubishi Evolution engine (206kw official figure for the Mitsub and all that) - but the 2.0L rotary was twin turboed - 224kw and 402nm from what I was reading iirc.

Beetus · 07-03-2007, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Simmo

haha yeh what about a 20b rotary? 2.0L, 3 rotor, N/A motor. i'm looking for power but can only find info on the turbo 20b's used in the Mazda Cosmo. i'm sure that would be more powerful than an s2000.

the 20b was only twin turbo in the cosmos, no n/a i dont think......bugger a na rotor in a cosmo would be a slug

Outbackjack · 07-03-2007, 04:11 PM

The Nissan U20 was a nice engine for a 1967 vintage. 150bhp (kw?) at 6000 rpm.

Beetus · 07-03-2007, 04:11 PM

we all know the most powerful 4cy was in the vc commodore of course

Grasshoppr · 07-03-2007, 04:25 PM

I hadnt thought of the old Rotary but it seems that the 20b was only ever produced with turbos so it doesnt really fit the bet.

Also, people, I agree with all the comments about there being better cars/engines/chassis etc etc and that its not usable due to hitting 177kw at 8,000+ rpm etc etc

My mate tried to convince me that aonther 2ltr was the most powerful production car (new peugot I think) and I thought it was the S2000.

no other interest other than answering my question.

Steffo · 07-03-2007, 04:30 PM

S2000 is probably the most powerful N/A production 2.0 4-cyl, but its also got one of the most useless powerbands in the world.... everything starts happening at least 3000rpm after you really want it to...

Grasshoppr · 07-03-2007, 04:32 PM

Thanks Steffo.

This answers my question. No one seems to know of any other 2ltr out there.

Cheers everyone

mrnsx · 07-03-2007, 04:40 PM

most jap cars come at a 2L class eg: s2000, nissan silvia (sr20det),wrx, lancer evo and the list goes on.

i think out of all the jap market, honda is the only company that doesnt beleive in forced induction and i have read many articles that support the honda S2000 as being the best engineered road engine and the most powerfull N/A 2L engine in a road car.

remember all that this thread is about road cars not race cars, running of memory the F1 engines are something like 3L v10 N/A engines or so that produce like 800 hp (thats engineering).

anyhow, back to S2000, watch topgear and see how the S2000 rates against the porsche boxter and bmw Z4...

TEaaron · 07-03-2007, 04:48 PM

The S2000 is still very streetable and economic that's Vtec for you

But as steffo said the power only starts working above 3,000rpm

20b rotaries are made N/A
http://cp_www.tripod.com/rotary/pg20.htm

Second one down, 450ps that's around 440hp I think?

From a N/A 20b rotary.

But then again, it's a race motor.

XCSEDAN · 07-03-2007, 04:48 PM

Honda S2000
184kw @ 8300rpm.... (jap version motor, as it has a higher compression ratio then all other models and is the most desirable out of all the S2000's)

DivHunter · 07-03-2007, 04:50 PM

Wasn't a 2.2L put in the S2000 for the US market because of complaints of it being gutless under 6000rpm?

XCSEDAN · 07-03-2007, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Fairmont99

Wasn't a 2.2L put in the S2000 for the US market because of complaints of it being gutless under 6000rpm?

i know there was a 2.2l version made and it had much more power i think...
but we are only looking at <2lt...

melbzetec · 07-03-2007, 05:03 PM

3000 rpm is not a big issue in 4 cyl. That's where you should be working if you are half serious about driving IMHO. It is a totally different proposition to a 6 or an 8.

Having gone back to a 4 after driving a 5.6 litre for a few years, it is a totally different driving style. Revs are your friend. If you need more torque, drop it back a gear

XR Martin · 07-03-2007, 05:29 PM

Power doesnt start coming on at 3000rpm in the s2000. Steffo said it doesnt start coming on until 3000rpm after you need it.
From idle to 6000rpm its like driving a Civic (ie boring and slow) Its not until the last 3000rpm of its powerband does it start to get a move on.

**Fordman1** · 07-03-2007, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mowog

But a triple rotor engine isnt a 4 Cycl...

The initial question said nothing about 4 cylinder.

I'm going to do googles on 2 litre I6 and V8 engines....Lol.

melbzetec · 07-03-2007, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Power doesnt start coming on at 3000rpm in the s2000. Steffo said it doesnt start coming on until 3000rpm after you need it.
From idle to 6000rpm its like driving a Civic (ie boring and slow) Its not until the last 3000rpm of its powerband does it start to get a move on.

Having driven one along the Great Ocean Road twice, I don't agree

Steffo · 07-03-2007, 06:06 PM

I rencently got to drive my uncle's Ferrari F355 Berlinetta. Not an extra special drive, not a very long one (just backstreets near where he lives), but it was a drive nevertheless.

Its got a typically high revs, low torque engine...

3.5litre DOHC 40-valve V8, 280kW @ 8250rpm, 350Nm @ 6000rpm, 8500rpm limiter.

I haven't driven an S2000, partly because its too small for me to fit in, I can't move my left leg in the driver's seat, kinda makes it impossible to use the clutch... but I've been passenger to one. And how different do they feel, even from the passenger's seat.

In the Ferrari, even at 1500-2000rpm it can pull very well, I've seen it go 20km/h in 4th and pull away from it like it was nothing, no shaking and spluttering like most normal manual cars would do at that sort of low speed in such a high gear. It accelerates quite admirably in the low revs, it feels like its got a great amount of its torque before the peak, and by 5000rpm the shove in your seat increases 10 fold and things REALLY get going.

The S2k didn't feel like that. Watching the tacho... 2000rpm, nothing... 3000rpm, nothing, 4000rpm, nothing, 5000rpm, NOTHING! 6000rpm, things start to get moving, but still felt a tad mediocre, 7000rpm you finally get the shove. Not a very big one at that, but it really starts happening after that.

Its amazing how the Ferrari engine with no variable valve timing or any sort of magic like that, small displacement, short stroke, can feel so lively at any revs, and the Honda engine, with variable valve and cam timing is such a whizzy disappointment below any stratospheric RPM.

Honda may get some big HP/L numbers, but IMO, their engines are the opposite of special.

TheSneakiness · 07-03-2007, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Barraxr8

The initial question said nothing about 4 cylinder.

I'm going to do googles on 2 litre I6 and V8 engines....Lol.

Good pickup.

I read the opening twice and it only said 2 litre engine, nothing about whether it worked up and down or round and round, and it could've been any number of cylinders/rotors.