VE SS to nudge 300kW?

SSbaby · 16-10-2005, 04:46 PM

Read under 'Holden and HSV'...

**DJM83** · 16-10-2005, 04:55 PM

yeah read it i think its all about an EGO problem over at fishermans bend

SSbaby · 16-10-2005, 05:03 PM

I'm not sure that it's an ego problem... but the 'problem' for Holden is that the 6.0L LS2 is already in a mild state of tune... it could easily accept headers and decent exhaust and exceed 330kW.

That's why I believe the 5.3L will easily fulfill Holden's requirements but I think that by stocking common inventories for the LS2 (instead of two distinct engine lines), Holden and its dealers are able to reduce their costs.

**Falcon Coupe** · 16-10-2005, 05:39 PM

They just keep getting better, but the cost of petrol nowdays takes away some of the exitment i used to feel when seeing a new more powerfull car coming our way.

aimzes · 16-10-2005, 06:28 PM

i think its pretty silly to have a car like the SS (or even and XR8) come from the factory with 300kw. i mean where the f is it gonna end and how much more power will the hsv's or fpv's need to have. also how fast does a factory performance sedan need to go?

but then again, 300kw is what a 6.0 should be punching out.

eh dont mind me im probably talking absolute nonsence... im all for tuning cars and stuff but i dunno if a $50k sedan needs that much power from the factory...

twr7cx · 16-10-2005, 06:32 PM

Will this not end up like the days of the Phase III were the Phase 4 was banned or what ever due to the high output?

What sort of performance figures will the HSV's be pushing out then? And whats Ford gunna bite back with?

galaxy xr8 · 16-10-2005, 06:52 PM

If they go to 300kw for the plain jane SS, that doesn't leave them much room for the HSV variant's, this kw power can not keep going on like it is, I am glad Ford/FPV did not increase their kw number's in an attampt to win bragging right's.

HEMI POWER · 16-10-2005, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SSbaby

Read under 'Holden and HSV'...

Oh god i wonder what this will do to all those poor GTS owners that folked out 100k for there vechiles.Holden and HSV look after your customers first before trying to take up a Battle that can't be won.

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M14A-Mclaren · 16-10-2005, 06:59 PM

Power doesnt impress me that much anymore, sure as long as its up there like FPV is basically at now thats good. What really impresses me is a cars handling. I think they should be pushing in the cornering, braking and comfort, probably in that order.

gtfpv · 16-10-2005, 06:59 PM

it is good to see . if a merc or bm can produce 383 kws in a lighter car and do 11,s down the 400m i cant see the problem with 300kw holdens and fords doing 12 - 13's.

BuuBox · 16-10-2005, 07:00 PM

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Oh god i wonder what this will do to all those poor GTS owners that folked out 100k for there vechiles.Holden and HSV look after your customers first before trying to take up a Battle that can't be won.

Battle? Power battle? Think that's been run and won...

HEMI POWER · 16-10-2005, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BuuBox

Battle? Power battle? Think that's been run and won...

Pfft our 6 cylinders are quicker than your HSV's. :thebirds:

MrSparkle · 16-10-2005, 07:41 PM

Has Harold Scruby joined the forums or something? What's this whinging about MORE power? Bloody hell, what next - BRING BACK THE DETUNED 165kW Windsor?!??!?

Clearly the Lawn Bowls element has spoken in this thread, and really should just sod off back to the clubhouse for another tea and digestive biscuit.

M14A-Mclaren · 16-10-2005, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MrSparkle

Has Harold Scruby joined the forums or something? What's this whinging about MORE power? Bloody hell, what next - BRING BACK THE DETUNED 165kW Windsor?!??!?

Clearly the Lawn Bowls element has spoken in this thread, and really should just sod off back to the clubhouse for another tea and digestive biscuit.

To be fair, the contents of your signature seem to share my opinions on what should be more important.

12 · 16-10-2005, 08:18 PM

And if HSV does go past the 300kW figure.. just watch the negative media attention they'll get. None. Then watch how FPV release a 300kW car.. and the negative media attention it'll get. I have no doubt all hell would break loose.

Scruby Doo and his mates will be jumping up and down calling for the car to be banned on public roads. Just like they did when the 270kW Typhoon was released. Despite HSV having released a 300kW Senator well before the Typhoon.

gtfpv · 16-10-2005, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 012

And if HSV does go past the 300kW figure.. just watch the negative media attention they'll get. None. Then watch how FPV release a 300kW car.. and the negative media attention it'll get. I have no doubt all hell would break loose.

Scruby Doo and his mates will be jumping up and down calling for the car to be banned on public roads. Just like they did when the 270kW Typhoon was released. Despite HSV having released a 300kW Senator well before the Typhoon.

i agree with youcompletely but have never known why . they seem to be biast towords ford . DOES ANYONE KNOW WHY????

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AUXRVIII · 16-10-2005, 08:24 PM

I wouldn't be getting on my high horse about it just yet, I read the column as being speculation & not confirmed as fact. Waste of time really.

SSbaby · 16-10-2005, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by FPVGT

Oh god i wonder what this will do to all those poor GTS owners that folked out 100k for there vechiles.Holden and HSV look after your customers first before trying to take up a Battle that can't be won.

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Don't worry about the HSV owners... look at your car's depreciation fall.

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12 · 16-10-2005, 09:54 PM

By the way SSbaby, let me quote your post as of six days ago.

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Originally Posted by SSbaby on 10-10-05

The ratbag element is letting this forum down atm. I call it the bogan factor. There's plenty on both sides, it's just that the ugly posts are frequently posted, tallying up huge wasteful volume. It's a shame some moderators are actively encouraging poor form... but hey, like it or lump it seems to be the attitude. That's cool.

SSbaby signs out for a few months. Maybe order will be restored by then.

Couldn't stay away could ya? You called us ratbags, bogans and even had a go at the moderators. So why you here??

T3rminator · 16-10-2005, 09:59 PM

Does the VE have to comply with Euro III?

6L pushing out 300kw....it'll be interesting to see how they control tighter emission standards (if they need to comply)

vztrt · 16-10-2005, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by aimzes

i think its pretty silly to have a car like the SS (or even and XR8) come from the factory with 300kw. i mean where the f is it gonna end and how much more power will the hsv's or fpv's need to have. also how fast does a factory performance sedan need to go?

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Wouldn't Holden and Ford start to reduce the capacity of the engines??
To get alot of power (for a stock production car) with a smaller engine capacity (like in europe) would help them with the price of fuel. They should be able to increase the fuel efficiency of the car.

SSbaby · 16-10-2005, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 012

By the way SSbaby, let me quote your post as of six days ago.
Couldn't stay away could ya? You called us ratbags, bogans and even had a go at the moderators. So why you here??

What's that got to do with the price of fish? I'm providing information that is informative, aren't I?

Might I explain that the comment above was in reference to people bombarding Greg Murphy's web site with abuse... I was merely calling for calm. I don't need to dignify your post with any explanation of my actions. People could visit the thread in 'The Pits' section, read my posts in their proper context... and judge for themselves. If they're closed minded... I can't help them.

Bossxr8 · 16-10-2005, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SSbaby

I'm not sure that it's an ego problem... but the 'problem' for Holden is that the 6.0L LS2 is already in a mild state of tune... it could easily accept headers and decent exhaust and exceed 330kW.

That's why I believe the 5.3L will easily fulfill Holden's requirements but I think that by stocking common inventories for the LS2 (instead of two distinct engine lines), Holden and its dealers are able to reduce their costs.

With Euro 3 noise regs it's not that easy to just put a higher flowing exhaust anymore. I think the SS will be de tuned just like the VT was, with maybe 270 kw to start with, an then we'll see the usual Holden add 5 kw with every model b*ll that gets the bogans excited.

BuuBox · 16-10-2005, 10:09 PM

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Pfft our 6 cylinders are quicker than your HSV's.

Certainty not my HSV's, that's for sure. Just saying that currently HSV's are king for both power, strait line speed, (and aparently mid corner speed...).

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Does the VE have to comply with Euro III?

If a car has to meet Euro III, often that's meant a slight power increase. Barra 182 to 190 anyone?. If you burn the fuel correctly, to meet emissions, you should also make power. Noise levels could be a different story... But I doubt that we'll see a power decrease from the current 297kw 6 litre LS2. Otherwise, what's the point of 6 litres?

SSbaby, you're an angry little man.

JPFS1 · 16-10-2005, 10:17 PM

It's all going to end very soon....

Buy them now while they are what they are!

big_pete · 16-10-2005, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MrSparkle

Has Harold Scruby joined the forums or something? What's this whinging about MORE power? Bloody hell, what next - BRING BACK THE DETUNED 165kW Windsor?!??!?

Clearly the Lawn Bowls element has spoken in this thread, and really should just sod off back to the clubhouse for another tea and digestive biscuit.

what he said^^^^

seems you lot are hard to please!
or is it that you might just be tempted to buy one of these new SS dunnydoors??!!

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ozzyjim · 16-10-2005, 10:23 PM

I dont think it will happen, imagine the HSV owners screaming blue murder, not to mention VZ SSZ owners, but if it does and ford hasnt responded, ill be driving a VE SS thats for sure.
But like i said, it wont happen imo.

Cheers
Jim

Haza · 16-10-2005, 10:24 PM

i dont understand why the media hasnt jumped on the bandwagon with the power wars debate. They sure as hell did when ford released the Boss290.
If the SS gets 300kw wots the Clubsport or higher model cars get.

Falchoon · 16-10-2005, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by aimzes

i think its pretty silly to have a car like the SS (or even and XR8) come from the factory with 300kw. i mean where the f is it gonna end and how much more power will the hsv's or fpv's need to have. also how fast does a factory performance sedan need to go?

but then again, 300kw is what a 6.0 should be punching out.

eh dont mind me im probably talking absolute nonsence... im all for tuning cars and stuff but i dunno if a $50k sedan needs that much power from the factory...

They need so much power to drag their lard ar$es around. Each new car seems to be heavier than the last model even though half of the car is made of plastic. The new cars aren't neccesarily any quicker than the previous model because of this weight, which is due to extras like a/c, p/s, power windows, Brembo brakes etc.

RED_EL_XR8 · 16-10-2005, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Originally Posted by 012

By the way SSbaby, let me quote your post as of six days ago.
Couldn't stay away could ya? You called us ratbags, bogans and even had a go at the moderators. So why you here??

Quote:

Originally Posted by SSbaby

What's that got to do with the price of fish? I'm providing information that is informative, aren't I?

Might I explain that the comment above was in reference to people bombarding Greg Murphy's web site with abuse... I was merely calling for calm. I don't need to dignify your post with any explanation of my actions. People could visit the thread in 'The Pits' section, read my posts in their proper context... and judge for themselves. If they're closed minded... I can't help them.

Words were had about the name calling etc over Mr Murphy so it would be well advised if you were both to behave in this thread.