RAM boss praises locally made trucks

[Sprintey]

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...ted-rhd-models

Pretty good news story they've done. 641 employees, great sales growth.

[Franco Cozzo]

'No one wants American utes, they're too big for our roads'.

[mad2]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

'No one wants American utes, they're too big for our roads'.

thought they were trucks not utes ......... as they are big enuf

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

'No one wants American utes, they're too big for our roads'.

If you put it in context, 99% of the population still don't.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by prydey

If you put it in context, 99% of the population still don't.

What context? You could also say that 80% of the earths population doesn't even own a car, so it wouldn't be incorrect to say the majority of people don't even need to own one.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

What context? You could also say that 80% of the earths population doesn't even own a car

You know what context. Don't play dumb. In the 9 years they've sold 17000 utes, all the other utes have likely tallied close to 1million. Ranger and hilux would be close to 600000units just on their own.

These Ram articles regularly pop up and are worded to try to paint the picture that they're taking over the sales charts. They aren't.

Sure, it's great for local manufacturing, don't get me wrong, but to suggest the original comment you quoted was wrong is still very wide of the mark.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by prydey

You know what context. Don't play dumb. In the 9 years they've sold 17000 utes, all the other utes have likely tallied close to 1million. Ranger and hilux would be close to 600000units just on their own.

These Ram articles regularly pop up and are worded to try to paint the picture that they're taking over the sales charts. They aren't.

Sure, it's great for local manufacturing, don't get me wrong, but to suggest the original comment you quoted was wrong is still very wide of the mark.

Whats the average price of one? That'll give it context in comparison to Thailux Specials, if they were on even footing with pricing do you think anyone would buy Thailand Specials? American utes are the superior vehicle here, just the average punter can't afford the entry price to whats available in our market.

I can't remember how many times people here start rabbiting on about fuel costs running these things or 'they're too big for Australian roads' or various other nonsense about why people won't buy them in Australia - low and behold someone starts doing a decent conversion on them and there's a customer demand there for the American utes.

My comment is in relation to the comments from AFF members, thats the context.

No one wants them - thats why Toyota is investigating viability of our market for the Tundra, Ford has committed to a partnership to bring the F150 here, RAM has been here for a few years and same with Chevrolet.

Not forgetting that Ford Australia offered them in our market from the 1960s through to 2006.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by prydey

You know what context. Don't play dumb. In the 9 years they've sold 17000 utes, all the other utes have likely tallied close to 1million. Ranger and hilux would be close to 600000units just on their own.

These Ram articles regularly pop up and are worded to try to paint the picture that they're taking over the sales charts. They aren't.

Sure, it's great for local manufacturing, don't get me wrong, but to suggest the original comment you quoted was wrong is still very wide of the mark.

Got to say the quoted RAM numbers are baffling to say the least in articles by motoring journos etc......
Purely my matter of interest being in the Aftermarket I keep an eye on new models/consider looking to have parts available for the market.
Franco knows also from our side of the fence we have a sofware system that you can get VIO's nationally.
I got my guy to do a check on total rego's for 1500/2500/3500's Aust/NZ from 2015 on I'm advised 4,862.
694 units per annun.
Happy seeing locals being in jobs and all but yer, numbers says it all.

My take on these compared to Franco's popular Thai Specials.
Yanks have always had their pickups appointed not too bad interior wise, wonderful large cup holders is sacrilidge otherwise the red neck won't buy
Positives, V8's and live axles in most, KISS principles.
Overall I've never rated quality that good from yanks, not any better than the Thai product but thats my opinion.
Another point is as Franco bangs on - Thai specials nudging triple figures, well no yanky pick up is worth the triple + figures as well imo but adding on RHD conversions + duties you get that but those pick ups over there are affordable to the majority whereas here not.
I just don't get paying that much for a new vehicle that is re modified NOT OE and paying those bucks no diff to those RSpec mustangs.
Just my perspective, I like em and the Silverado's/150's etcetc but they are not worth that money unless a business purchase/your cashed up and its the most suitable type of vehicle for your needs.
Obviously by the numbers sold pricing is the barrier and the Thai Special even though a rip off as well is ffordable to the mass's and I guess they should advertise eat them for curry - one could say lol.....

[kypez]

I looked at a RAM a couple of years ago. But the new DT was on its way and the dealership never came back to me. The other one I went to didn't even greet me or acknowledge I existed in the showroom. Even when I went and asked to speak to someone.

Shame, I'd probably own one if they had decent dealerships (or an online model). I do like the DT's.

[Hemihunter]

Originally Posted by kypez

I looked at a RAM a couple of years ago. But the new DT was on its way and the dealership never came back to me. The other one I went to didn't even greet me or acknowledge I existed in the showroom. Even when I went and asked to speak to someone.

Shame, I'd probably own one if they had decent dealerships (or an online model). I do like the DT's.

AUSMV are the place to buy from , service and help is very good.

[kypez]

Made me look at their site again

This made me laugh... One thing about being in space is not having to worry about the wind



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[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...ted-rhd-models

Pretty good news story they've done. 641 employees, great sales growth.

Great news, I look forward to seeing a similar situation with F150 conversions done for Ford and hoping that business grows to include other Ford vehicles in the future.

[Smoke Pursuit]

I love my 2022 Ram 1500 Laramie.



Car has been fantastic (had a gremlin with the I connect 5 which was fixed with an update). It leaves Rangers for dead including the new Raptor *which I was buying but cancelled after a test drive.

[SSVPom]

Refreshing to read a good news story about local manufacturing like this. I just can’t afford one, nor can I fit one in my driveway or work car park!

[Fordman1]

Locally converted, not effing locally made.

[BENT_8]

Where are the parts for the conversion made?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Where are the parts for the conversion made?

Brake and bonnet cables are made in Melbourne, just those two items on their conversions are worth $400,000/year to the business that manufactures them, it basically employs a production employee full time just for those two products in those RAMs at that supplier.

HSV/Walkinshaw supply chain is pretty hectic locally.

Except the casing, liner, ferrules and the inner on those brake and bonnet cables come from Thailand

[aussiblue]

OK I'll play the troll here. Well it wouldn't be in their interest to say anything much else or slam their local outlet would it? So, while I hope it's as good as it sounds, I would not assume this is a totally objective opinion and take it it with at least a pinch of salt. And given the many negative reviews of North American produced vehicles from RAM e.g. https://www.motorbiscuit.com/2022-ra...sumer-reports/ , saying "local models are just as good as those made in the company’s own US plant" may not be exactly flattering as it also means they are just as bad.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by aussiblue

OK I'll play the troll here. Well it wouldn't be in their interest to say anything much else or slam their local outlet would it? So, while I hope it's as good as it sounds, I would not assume this is a totally objective opinion and take it it with at least a pinch of salt. And given the many negative reviews of North American produced vehicles from RAM e.g. https://www.motorbiscuit.com/2022-ra...sumer-reports/ , saying "local models are just as good as those made in the company’s own US plant" may not be exactly flattering as it also means they are just as bad.

Did you read the whole article, its the bare bones model that scored poorly, the next was top.
It also says F150/250 worse again.

[Polyal]

Either way its a great story of someone taking a risk and it pay off so far, creating (returning) jobs to the sector and keeping skills in the country. This is a big win and I wish I had the spare coin to get a nice big V8 truck. Perhaps a need an ABN.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Either way its a great story of someone taking a risk and it pay off so far, creating (returning) jobs to the sector and keeping skills in the country. This is a big win and I wish I had the spare coin to get a nice big V8 truck. Perhaps a need an ABN.

Getting an ABN costs virtually nothing and can be done in minutes, raising $100,000+ or funding a finance deal takes a bit more work...

[au2000]

True, given RR are asking about 120 ish currently, I’d scratch up the extra for a 150

[FTE217]

yes knew they are listed separately nowadays.
Search was done all models originally.
He tells me under RAM from 2013 on breakdown
1500 - 2869 regos
2500 - 1816 """""
3500 - is bit skechy pre 2013 with 274 regos but from 2013 search quotes 177.
The 2869 + 1816 + 177 = 4862 as quoted.

[naddis01]

According to Vfacts, RAM sold 603 in September with 557 being the 1500. YTD they have sold 4153 vehicles (3636 1500s and 517 for the 2500/3500s).

I can't see how 4862 is correct for 2013 onwards. There are over 700 RAMs for sale on Carsales at the moment. Surely 1 in 7 can't be for sale right now.

I can't see Ford or Toyota being interested in joining the party if RAM have sold less than 5000 in the past 10 years.

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...g-in-australia

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by naddis01

According to Vfacts, RAM sold 603 in September with 557 being the 1500. YTD they have sold 4153 vehicles (3636 1500s and 517 for the 2500/3500s).

I can't see how 4862 is correct for 2013 onwards. There are over 700 RAMs for sale on Carsales at the moment. Surely 1 in 7 can't be for sale right now.

I can't see Ford or Toyota being interested in joining the party if RAM have sold less than 5000 in the past 10 years.

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...g-in-australia

They might only update VOR data once a year, I think thats what they did with autoinfo anyway.

I'm not sure about the other companies who also do VOR, you can do it by state based, just not with autoinfo.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

They might only update VOR data once a year, I think thats what they did with autoinfo anyway.

I'm not sure about the other companies who also do VOR, you can do it by state based, just not with autoinfo.

FYI naddis and responding as mentioned.
Yep in bold above as Franco mentioned, I just wanted to be sure.
The company says the lag is due to Gov dept's take forever forwarding on the updated numbers, typical.......
In saying that, I'm not against the RAM, I really like it TBH but as mentioned way overpriced for Yank product and still, imo the numbers are nothing to right home about even though those figures are out under 12mths.
Its ok at least they are employing some aussies.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by FTE217

FYI naddis and responding as mentioned.
Yep in bold above as Franco mentioned, I just wanted to be sure.
The company says the lag is due to Gov dept's take forever forwarding on the updated numbers, typical.......
In saying that, I'm not against the RAM, I really like it TBH but as mentioned way overpriced for Yank product and still, imo the numbers are nothing to right home about even though those figures are out under 12mths.
Its ok at least they are employing some aussies.

You could say the exact same thing about all the Thailand Specials

The American utes are way overpriced, but you need to pay for that circa 200 hours of labour + make money on it as well.

If GM made the Silverado 1500 in RHD from the factory it would be the end of $80K Thailand Specials - but they've got no interest in RHD markets and they don't care about a couple thousand sales in Australia when they pump out hundreds of thousands at home.

[prydey]

Manufacturers (all of them) will sell their products for what the market is willing to pay. You can't rely blame the manufacturers for the price when the demand is there.

It's surprising that mazda/isuzu or mitsi or Nissan don't try to buy a few sales off Toyota and Ford by dropping their prices. Surely they don't have to sell at those prices here to make a profit.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

You could say the exact same thing about all the Thailand Specials

The American utes are way overpriced, but you need to pay for that circa 200 hours of labour + make money on it as well.

If GM made the Silverado 1500 in RHD from the factory it would be the end of $80K Thailand Specials - but they've got no interest in RHD markets and they don't care about a couple thousand sales in Australia when they pump out hundreds of thousands at home.

hey agreed Thai specials are a rip as well, especially Toy/Ford compared to their competitors but good luck to them people pay.
Its always IF and us being RHD, interesting we're all having to change with the times what the OE's do, wonder when the time comes OE's decide we are NOT gonna make anymore RHD for the few markets that are.

[naddis01]

According to this article, RAM have sold the following...
2016: 292
2017: 398
2018: 723
2019: 2868
2020: 3320
2021: 4025

and YTD 2022: 4153