What will be FPV/HSV response to new Nissan GT-R

Ridin-High · 24-05-2007, 10:49 AM

Nissan Australia are lobbying hard to get the new Nissan GT-R for sale in Australia

"While various powerplants have been rumoured, the smart money is now on a twin-turbo V6 engine producing around about 320kW in its 'base' form. Powered up versions are said to be good for over 400kW!"

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Doesn't mention anything about the price, but i presume somewhere in the region of $100,000. Power to weight this thing will kill anything from the local boys at the moment, Holden need to release a GTS-R with LS7 and Ford need a supercharged Boss 5.4

stewyg · 24-05-2007, 11:02 AM

I love fords, and dare i say it i can respect some holdens (especially my LX torana with 65.000 genuine km's) but its not only the power that ford and holden have to match, the GTR is also rumored to be equipped with the GTR-s trademark ETS system (and the obligatory all-wheel-drive) made famous in the early '90s by the r-32 series. even the r-32 built over 15 years ago are still feared and respected among many racing communities. but 400kW being put on the road by whats said to be the most advanced AWD-ETS system to date? my beloved FPV may be in for a challange

b2tf · 24-05-2007, 11:06 AM

Horses for courses, I dare say HSV and FPV couldnt give a toss about Skylines of any era let alone new ones.

nommic · 24-05-2007, 11:30 AM

FPV/HSV won't have a response... you'd be looking more at a Ford GT and Chevy Corvette.

fordAU · 24-05-2007, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

Horses for courses, I dare say HSV and FPV couldnt give a toss about Skylines of any era let alone new ones.

Agreed and most of those who buy Fords/Holdens could not give a rats about Skylines either, I know I don't.

flukey77 · 24-05-2007, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

Horses for courses, I dare say HSV and FPV couldnt give a toss about Skylines of any era let alone new ones.

Yeh I agree. From what I have read, Nissan have been testing the new GT-R at the nurburgring alongside two 911's that they have purchased, indicating that they are benchmarking it against the porsches. Like everyone is sayin, its in a different class altogether.

sprjenkins · 24-05-2007, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

Horses for courses, I dare say HSV and FPV couldnt give a toss about Skylines of any era let alone new ones.

HAHA rotflmao, yeah right and they didn't change the touring car regulations either. Funniest thing I've heard all year.

fordAU · 24-05-2007, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sprjenkins

HAHA rotflmao, yeah right and they didn't change the touring car regulations either. Funniest thing I've heard all year.

They changed the rules because the last thing Aussie V8 lovers wanted to see were poxy riceburners blurting around the track, we wan't to see home grown race cars, not Jap pocket rockets.

Don't know if the above is true but it sounds reasonable

sprjenkins · 24-05-2007, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by fordAU

They changed the rules because the last thing Aussie V8 lovers wanted to see were poxy riceburners blurting around the track, we wan't to see home grown race cars, not Jap pocket rockets.

Don't know if the above is true but it sounds reasonable

Sure mate I agree 100%, it had absolutly nothing to do with the fact that they were getting their butts kicked, nothing at all

**Fordman1** · 24-05-2007, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sprjenkins

HAHA rotflmao, yeah right and they didn't change the touring car regulations either. Funniest thing I've heard all year.

I think your sarcasm has missed the point mate.....

Your comment has nothing to do with "today" and participating in the market segment that FPV & HSV do (eg: Family sized performance cars which are based on home grown product).

Do FPV and HSV respond to the latest M3, or the latest A6, or the latest AMG, or the latest A4, or the latest...............................etc, etc, etc ?

FPV & HSV need to focus on providing a great experience for the customer in vehicle purchase, after sales service, and vehicle dynamics / performance in their intended class. If they do that and get the product to be the best they can (more work to do) using the platform they have then they will be doing a good job.

The GTR is a different market segment - compare it to the cars above.

Ryan · 24-05-2007, 06:22 PM

Would HSV/FPV really gain anything from competing against the new GTR?

Personally the only Skyline I would own, is the old R31. Might not be the best looking Skyline, but atleast 17 year old douchebags, don't talk them up like no tomorrow.

Sick of hearing. "OMG TEH GTRS BEAT TEH V8S AT BATHURST V8S R TEH SUX OMGWTFBBQ!!!!"

Piotr · 24-05-2007, 11:05 AM

Ford and Holden won't have an answer unless they design a new car. The GT-R is a sports car while FPV ans HSV make high power family cars.

merlin · 24-05-2007, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Piotr

Ford and Holden won't have an answer unless they design a new car. The GT-R is a sports car while FPV ans HSV make high power family cars.

Cue Steffo's responce about Skylines also being a family car...

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Bucket · 24-05-2007, 11:33 AM

This is true...This is like asking How Ford and Holden will respond to the 911...

Quite simply...they wont. Its falling more into the region of super car

stewyg · 24-05-2007, 11:55 AM

the thing is the new GTR is a completely new car, Nissan have not designed if off their Skyline 4 door wheel base this time, it may look similar and might even be badged a Skyline, but as Bucket said... this thing is more like a super car

mcnews · 24-05-2007, 12:00 PM

The Skyline will be a purpose built sports car. A tarted up Foulcan taxi with flares and weighing in at 1850kg will never compete in any sporting comparison no matter what FPV or HSV would do. But by and large they will be looking at a different market, I think most FPV/HSV buyers do not want four wheel drives, if they did they would be driving WRX/EVOs etc. I can't see myself ever owning a 4wd sports car, I don't care if a car laps ten seconds quicker, give me all the power to the rear and way too much of it thankyou very much. I'll take the bike if I was after laptimes or if I wanted to do it on four wheels go lightweight Caterham or something.

To sum up, they won't do anything, different market.

Dave_au · 24-05-2007, 11:59 AM

It's probably overpriced and lost the crucial formula that made the previous Skyline GTRs great.

If it's going to start lobbying in the M3/RS4 price territory, then I think the german cars are going to be more practicle.

Dare I say, but I've got a feeling that the upcoming Evo X will gain worldwide popularity from filling the niche that has now been left behind for quite sometime.

Falcon_Phill · 24-05-2007, 12:08 PM

Who cares. Only ******* and the other obvious group will be driving them. Cant wait to hear those shitty turbos fly past me at the lights.

pb02 · 24-05-2007, 12:51 PM

It's in a different catagory as others have mentioned. From what I've heard about it from the US it's going to be a fairly heavy car. (not that ford or holden aren't)
IF it even comes down here it would be around 100K + for that money I would be looking at 2nd hand RS4's, M3's, or a Cayman.

bigAl · 24-05-2007, 12:53 PM

ford and holden, no they will not even try to compete

merlin · 24-05-2007, 01:17 PM

Nothing....

Though a Typhoon with Territory running gear would be nice.

mcnews · 24-05-2007, 01:22 PM

Yeah I know, makes you wonder if the much rumoured and long awaited FPV Territory will actually ever see daylight!!!! For the lead time it would want to be pretty special!

Xitdxr · 24-05-2007, 02:13 PM

Different market. Its meant to be in the region of 120k, and i will tell u now, its gonna be a bargain if it comes in at that price. It will absolutley smash most of the European performance cars into the ground on pure pace.

TZENU · 24-05-2007, 02:22 PM

All series GTR's from R32 to R34 have been in a league of their own since day 1.. Why should it be any different now?

FORD3V · 24-05-2007, 02:42 PM

When will FPV/HSV respond to,RX8,M3,M5,911,FERRARI,LAMBO............

MITCHAY · 24-05-2007, 02:42 PM

From what I have gathered power will be very subtle compared to what they can get out of it as they want to leave room for the aftermarket.

FPV/HSV won't do jack because IMO they will always have the sales I reckon plus completely in a different league.

Godzilla

But looking at what Nissan's current lineup here it seems they are aren't the company they used to be. We have 350Z and that's it. They need base Skyline, GT-R, and a new model of the 200SX I reckon. Maybe there's just no market here for it anymore but who knows.

More models we have here from every company, the more options I have

XR8-260 · 24-05-2007, 02:48 PM

We need some affordable supercars down under. I wouldn't mind seeing the Skyline GT-R and the Corvette Z06 come to Australia. I can't believe the Corvette Z06 only costs 70,000 USD! - absolute bargain.

Ridin-High · 24-05-2007, 03:02 PM

to get a Z06 in aus its about 200k

T3ts50 · 24-05-2007, 03:12 PM

Private importers are selling Z06 for 250K

mr_xr8 · 24-05-2007, 03:28 PM

why would they?

on a side not the new gtr wont be know as a skyline gtr just gtr.