Hoon laws 1st anniversary

[BigBastard]

yep,

it's been one year folks since they introduced the new Hoons law, where a cop can confiscate your vehicle for been an unsafe driver.
According to the local newspaper the following stats are drawn over the year :

WHERE THEY LIVE?

Greater Bendigo.........50
Dandenong...............39
Hoppers crossing.......37
Mill Park...................36
Melton.....................36
Mildura.....................34


WHY CARS WERE SEIZED?

improper use................53.3%
Excessive speed...........42.5%
Drive while d'qualified.....2.4%
Conduct/engage race.....1%
careless driving.............0.2%
Past offense.................0.2%


HOON SPEEDS:

0-119......20.2%
120-129...16.1%
130-139...15.8%
140-149...13.7%
150-159....15.6%
200+........2.3%


quote from the Dandenong Leader Mon 6th July
"it is disappointing people continue to place the lives of others at risk on our roads, but the message is now clear: if you drive in a dangerous manner, you will be caught" State Police and Emergency Services Minister Bob Cameron said.

"Almost half of the cars seized were Holdens at 49.8% trailed by fords with 16%"

this brings memories of the Dandenong-Frankston road and the Noble park Maccas busts :

They should just set Sandown Park one night a fortnight.

what are your thoughts?

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by BigBastard

They should just set Sandown Park one night a fortnight.

what are your thoughts?

Wont make the slightest difference....

[Felony]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Wont make the slightest difference....

My butt cheek it wont dood, you'll never be able to stop everyone doing the wrong thing on the road, and im by no means perfect either, i dont think anyone can say they have never broke a road law, lol but sandown will help bring numbers down for road and traffic offences i believe,
cheers lads

[ED Classic]

Originally Posted by Felony

My butt cheek it wont dood, you'll never be able to stop everyone doing the wrong thing on the road, and im by no means perfect either, i dont think anyone can say they have never broke a road law, lol but sandown will help bring numbers down for road and traffic offences i believe,
cheers lads

I agree strongly

Its all to easy to go seizing cars etc but people in certain areas have no place to enjoy their pride.

If the Police in that area were serious about making the roads safer they wouldnt be planning strike action along with Paul Mullet, but I forgot they can do what they want.

[BigBastard]

Originally Posted by ED Classic

I agree strongly

Its all to easy to go seizing cars etc but people in certain areas have no place to enjoy their pride.

If the Police in that area were serious about making the roads safer they wouldnt be planning strike action along with Paul Mullet, but I forgot they can do what they want.

if there is a location where, i can go once a week or fortnight and "clean my injectors" like at Sandown, i would go, we all have the need to see what your car can do, or enjoy the reason why you bought a Ford :

Also i can relate Dandy-Frankston to noble maccas, as i was at both and i saw a lot of common faces.

i remember reading about the stats on what the 50k/hour limit brought to society, someone pointed out that acording to these facts, the only way to save lives is to drive at -15k/hr. yeah that's reversing at 15k/hour. The stats never show the real deal.

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Wont make the slightest difference....

bull$#!t... it's more than worth a try and at the end of the day if it saves one life it was worth doing.

As for the comments about revenue from the hoon laws, when the car is towed the towing company charges you X amound of dollers and a certain percent of that is given to Vic Police, it's a case of i scratch your back if you scratch mine.

Not to mention the obvious profit from selling the cars after the 3rd offence...

The disgusting thing is that if you get done for DUI, you cop a fine, licence suspention and a slap on the wrist.

If you get caught "Hooning" on a back road (I live in a counrty area, not talking about the suburbs here) at midnight (No traffic) your car gets towed, where is the justice in that?

Here is some guy ****ed of his head that has drove 30mins all over the road and somehow managed to stay alive, and you break the ever conservative limit for 30 seconds and you cop the bigger penalty.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

bull$#!t... it's more than worth a try and at the end of the day if it saves one life it was worth doing.

Cant see how, there are plenty of places to take your car and enjoy it off road already (Calder, Heathcote etc etc..) and it hasnt made any difference, what's one more track going to do? The problem is ATTITUDE to the laws and RESPECT of the laws, not lack of opportunity... Are you seriously telling me that people break the law because of an irrepresible uncontrollable urge????? I'll bet anything 95% of the people that the police are targeting are too tight to pay the admission price to a track, their cars wouldnt pass a tech inspection and would find the track rules and conditions of use "too restrictive" as well...
Or.. may very well already use Calder yet continue to drive like tools...

[Tuddy200]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Cant see how, there are plenty of places to take your car and enjoy it off road already (Calder, Heathcote etc etc..) and it hasnt made any difference, what's one more track going to do? The problem is ATTITUDE to the laws and RESPECT of the laws, not lack of opportunity... Are you seriously telling me that people break the law because of an irrepresible uncontrollable urge????? I'll bet anything 95% of the people that the police are targeting are too tight to pay the admission price to a track, their cars wouldnt pass a tech inspection and would find the track rules and conditions of use "too restrictive" as well...

Nope, for me it's petrol prices and the distance to get to any of these places. Also with these laws, i'm likily to get pulled over 5 times before I get there because I have P Plates on.

3KM to the main street or 200+ to the nearest drag facility and I live in Ballarat. Which must also be up there in the top suburbs list without a doubt!

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by G.J.Tuddy

Nope, for me it's petrol prices and the distance to get to any of these places. Also with these laws, i'm likily to get pulled over 5 times before I get there because I have P Plates on.

3KM to the main street or 200+ to the nearest drag facility and I live in Ballarat. Which must also be up there in the top suburbs list without a doubt!

I think you need to seriously ask yourself what is it about your car or driving style that attracts so much attention them.
I know plenty of P platers who NEVER get hassled..

Also, what is it that you want to do with your car that you cant do legally at the moment?

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Cant see how, there are plenty of places to take your car and enjoy it off road already (Calder, Heathcote etc etc..) and it hasnt made any difference, what's one more track going to do? The problem is ATTITUDE to the laws and RESPECT of the laws, not lack of opportunity... Are you seriously telling me that people break the law because of an irrepresible uncontrollable urge????? I'll bet anything 95% of the people that the police are targeting are too tight to pay the admission price to a track, their cars wouldnt pass a tech inspection and would find the track rules and conditions of use "too restrictive" as well...

If they are too tight, then it should be made more affordable (We all know Mr bracks can afford it with the $$$ he makes of us road users), yes there are tracks already but both are on the one side of melbourne and the SE side has been waiting for a venue for god knows how long.

If the cars arn't roadworthy then maybe the police instead of targeting people for being one Db over the limit in his V8 or Import with thousands spent on it should target all the $#!Tbox's that blow oil all over the road, have tyres from the early 90's and more rust than most paddoc wrecks.

Im on the road every day running around the latrobe valley and there isn't a day when i see don't of these accidents waiting to happen, but usually most days i see the unmarked HWY patrol cars following the guy in a XR or a Sports model commodore not because they are doing something wrong but because "They could" while the guy who has no brakes and is blowing smoke in the 70's corolla gets ignored as the HWY car goes cruising past.

Im not bagging the police as i respect them and there job and one day within the next 3 years i intend on joining myself, but when i see this revenue raising and stalking going on every day, when the real death traps keep getting waved on by, it makes me frustrated and lose respect for my local officers.

Originally Posted by 4Vman

I think you need to seriously ask yourself what is it about your car or driving style that attracts so much attention them.
I know plenty of P platers who NEVER get hassled..

Also, what is it that you want to do with your car that you cant do legally at the moment?

I rarely get hassled (Usually only followed for 10-15mins : ) and i drive a black XR8, for the guys on here whinging about the police attention maybe stop driving like D!cks and they will leave you alone, for those that get followed for having a decent car i understand where you are coming from.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

If they are too tight, then it should be made more affordable (We all know Mr bracks can afford it with the $$$ he makes of us road users), yes there are tracks already but both are on the one side of melbourne and the SE side has been waiting for a venue for god knows how long.
.

Welcome to the real world!!! EVERYTHING comes at a price! Even at off road venues there are tens of thousands of dollars in costs to be covered, and insurance to be paid, and strict rules and conditions of use to be followed to conform with said insurance, which would probably prohibit 90% of what people wanted to do in the first place!
Personally i wouldnt like my tax dollars been spent of subsidising this to be honest, id be happy to pay $40, $60 or even $100 to use a facility once and a while (DECA in shep is avaliable too at a fee with skid pan???), there are more important things like ROAD infrastructure and reducing road congestion to make driving more enjoyable and less time consuming and stressful in the first place.

[MeLLy]

LOL i can see where this thread is heading....we all know its revenue raising, hell even the media was portraying it so last night on the news :P

[SDKC]

Originally Posted by MeLLy

LOL i can see where this thread is heading....we all know its revenue raising, hell even the media was portraying it so last night on the news :P

It was on the news, it must be true.

Typical, first sniff of a thread against police and someone blames revenue raising. Although I do believe that speed cameras are about revenue raising, these hoon laws are not.

If your car is impounded then you have to go to court. There is not a penalty notice/ticket for any impoundment law.

The costs that are involved with impounding (at the drivers expense) relate to storage and towing costs and they are a set rate agreed by the towing company.

So riddle me this? How can it be revenue raising when no revenue is raised?

[ED Classic]

Originally Posted by SDKC

It was on the news, it must be true.

Typical, first sniff of a thread against police and someone blames revenue raising. Although I do believe that speed cameras are about revenue raising, these hoon laws are not.

If your car is impounded then you have to go to court. There is not a penalty notice/ticket for any impoundment law.

The costs that are involved with impounding (at the drivers expense) relate to storage and towing costs and they are a set rate agreed by the towing company.

So riddle me this? How can it be revenue raising when no revenue is raised?

Who gets the money when they sell your car after the 3rd offence?

[MeLLy]

Originally Posted by ED Classic

Who gets the money when they sell your car after the 3rd offence?

Exactly!
Then They wipe their A**'s with money
thats where it goes...LOL :

[SDKC]

Originally Posted by ED Classic

Who gets the money when they sell your car after the 3rd offence?

I'm not exactly sure, but I'm told that it goes to paying for storage costs and the like. The government is not meant to get any of it. This is what I'm told.....whether or not I believe............

[SDKC]

I'll just answer all the posts that have been on this subject in one post.

To Melly,

I like you did not do enough research. I am from Victoria and in Victoria in the metropolitan area impound to one location. We tell the driver of the vehicle how much it will cost in total before the tow truck arrives. It is a pre determined amount and no more. There is no ticket given to the driver, he is summonsed to go to court at a later date to have the matter dealt with by the magistrate.
As for what happens in other states is for them. I only jumped on the revenue raising part of your post, because when I give people fines, it's for breaking the law, I don't get any of the money.

I personally didn't notice you bagging coppers in any of your posts. You may have been, but it's nothing I haven't seen or read before.

To refer to my above post:

I am only a worker and we are not told who gets the money after the forfeiture of a car. The only thing that we have been told is that the money gets broken up to pay for things like the cost of the storage and the tow costs etc.......

Like I said with my "coming out of the closet" thread. Dealing with the coppers is an attitude thing. We do not have to impound every car that has been "hooning" (and I use hooning as a loose term, I don't like the term, it has been created by the media like "road rage"), we can still summons the driver with an improper use (or hoon) offence and not take their car. That gives a strike against their name still. (3 strikes in 3 years and your car is applied to be forfeited).

As for chasing after P platers. It's a personal thing. Personally I'll book anyone. (After failing certain tests of course.)

Someone (can't remember who), mentioned that the City of Casey wishes to change speed limits to 40. They also mentioned that Dandenong was a part of Casey. Just for your info, Dandenong is in the City of Greater Dandenong, not Casey.

[MeLLy]

Originally Posted by SDKC

It was on the news, it must be true.

Typical, first sniff of a thread against police and someone blames revenue raising. Although I do believe that speed cameras are about revenue raising, these hoon laws are not.

If your car is impounded then you have to go to court. There is not a penalty notice/ticket for any impoundment law.

The costs that are involved with impounding (at the drivers expense) relate to storage and towing costs and they are a set rate agreed by the towing company.

So riddle me this? How can it be revenue raising when no revenue is raised?

First of all it was just an innocent statement & if you want to take it that much to heart & challenge me on it then i shall humour you.
Second of all How come the cars that are siezed and towed end up in the police impound yard which is usually at the back of the cop shop?So everyday it sits in there its costing the driver money but where does that money go to? The cops pockets or their state fund.
So in a way it is raising them more money.
Third of all when you go to court for your offence you do normally get fined and where does that money go?
You get a fine,prosicution costs,Victims of crime levy & court costs...
(So the police end up with their share of the money and so does the state ie; it raises more money for them;revenue raising...)
So where is that money going? Or am i just blinking my eyes and not really thinkin they dont make money everytime someone goes to court?
And last but not least....
Next time dont pick something i said so lightly so much to heart that you rav on and talk down to me like im a stupid women wont have it.If you wanna talk down to someone do it somewhere else.
So riddle me this batman I'm from SA these are my laws so if im wrong in your book well sorry i didnt go and check in with the laws of every state before i wrote this in reply to your lil speech.

[[Tonko]]

Originally Posted by MeLLy

First of all it was just an innocent statement & if you want to take it that much to heart & challenge me on it then i shall humour you.
Second of all How come the cars that are siezed and towed end up in the police impound yard which is usually at the back of the cop shop?So everyday it sits in there its costing the driver money but where does that money go to? The cops pockets or their state fund.
So in a way it is raising them more money.
Third of all when you go to court for your offence you do normally get fined and where does that money go?
You get a fine,prosicution costs,Victims of crime levy & court costs...
(So the police end up with their share of the money and so does the state ie; it raises more money for them;revenue raising...)
So where is that money going? Or am i just blinking my eyes and not really thinkin they dont make money everytime someone goes to court?
And last but not least....
Next time dont pick something i said so lightly so much to heart that you rav on and talk down to me like im a stupid women wont have it.If you wanna talk down to someone do it somewhere else.
So riddle me this batman I'm from SA these are my laws so if im wrong in your book well sorry i didnt go and check in with the laws of every state before i wrote this in reply to your lil speech.

SDKC is a copper, so i think he would know more than you.
Every second post of yours is bagging them out...
And the costs incurred of getting your car impounded are towing fees and holding fees, which are usually at the tow yard.
Are you saying fines are a pointless, revenue raising waste of time? How do you expect the police to get money? maybe a few barbeques? Think about that when you need them...

Originally Posted by ED Classic

Who gets the money when they sell your car after the 3rd offence?

I wouldnt think the person would deserve to get the money for it.
It's their choice whether they do stupid stuff in the car, and everybody knows the consequences (sp?)
....

[sexr6tasy]

Originally Posted by TonkoXR8

SDKC is a copper, so i think he would know more than you.
Every second post of yours is bagging them out...
And the costs incurred of getting your car impounded are towing fees and holding fees, which are usually at the tow yard.
Are you saying fines are a pointless, revenue raising waste of time? How do you expect the police to get money? maybe a few barbeques? Think about that when you need them...

I wouldnt think the person would deserve to get the money for it.
It's their choice whether they do stupid stuff in the car, and everybody knows the consequences (sp?)
....

Tonko you rave on the same crap every thread about how if your doing nothing wrong dont worry blah blah bloody blah its not as simple as that as half the story's on this site testify, hoon laws are bullshit and so are the cops who abuse them and i would expect cops to get money the same way they have forever which is from our tax money we pay to the government not by pining hoons who accidentally crunch third or do some will spin of the line, because as the figuers show the road toll has dropped by atleast half not. the end NEXT.

[MeLLy]

Originally Posted by TonkoXR8

SDKC is a copper, so i think he would know more than you.
Every second post of yours is bagging them out...
And the costs incurred of getting your car impounded are towing fees and holding fees, which are usually at the tow yard.
Are you saying fines are a pointless, revenue raising waste of time? How do you expect the police to get money? maybe a few barbeques? Think about that when you need them...

I wouldnt think the person would deserve to get the money for it.
It's their choice whether they do stupid stuff in the car, and everybody knows the consequences (sp?)
....

Well if hes a copper than he is a copper in victoria and like i said in my post if im wrong by what iam saying it is because i know my own laws and what my state cops do and i dont go around researching everything that other states and their cops do. I have two friends that are police officers and they both told me that a company tows offenders cars back to the police impound and thats where they stay not back to a towing companys yard.
Also my other post which is recent what the hell did i say wrong in that?!
I wasnt baggin the cops i said that its the stupid hoons that are ruining it for the rest of us if you wanna misinterupt what i said then thats your own mistake. I Also said that if they police can defect a parked car without gaining access then where is the limit? I think that is a fair question to be asked! So where have i bagged the cops this time, i think clearly you are mistaken. Also everytime i post something on here your very quick off the mark to jump on my case,do yourself a favour and get a life

[ED Classic]

Originally Posted by TonkoXR8

I wouldnt think the person would deserve to get the money for it.
It's their choice whether they do stupid stuff in the car, and everybody knows the consequences (sp?)
....

No that wasnt the question the question was who gets the money?

They dont mind the revenue do they?? I mean it doesnt get passed on to the good Friday appeal etc etc

[Sorted]

Originally Posted by BigBastard

this brings memories of the Dandenong-Frankston road and the Noble park Maccas busts :

Don't associate Dandy-Frankston Road with the Noble Park Incidents!!!

Little Kids and Dole Bludgers with nothing better to do couldnt get to Dandy-Frankston Road.

[TZENU]

Originally Posted by DRHEMI

Don't associate Dandy-Frankston Road with the Noble Park Incidents!!!

Little Kids and Dole Bludgers with nothing better to do couldnt get to Dandy-Frankston Road.

So very true....
"Some" might even say the good ol days

[ClevlndStemer]

I don't agree with the propaganda from the government in regards to everyone life is at risk, yes street racing is plain silly, but I am all for this hoon law.

[Ralliart]

Originally Posted by BigBastard

yep,

it's been one year folks since they introduced the new Hoons law, where a cop can confiscate your vehicle for been an unsafe driver.
According to the local newspaper the following stats are drawn over the year :

WHERE THEY LIVE?

Greater Bendigo.........50
Dandenong...............39
Hoppers crossing.......37
Mill Park...................36
Melton.....................36
Mildura.....................34


WHY CARS WERE SEIZED?

improper use................53.3%
Excessive speed...........42.5%
Drive while d'qualified.....2.4%
Conduct/engage race.....1%
careless driving.............0.2%
Past offense.................0.2%


HOON SPEEDS:

0-119......20.2%
120-129...16.1%
130-139...15.8%
140-149...13.7%
150-159....15.6%
200+........2.3%


quote from the Dandenong Leader Mon 6th July
"it is disappointing people continue to place the lives of others at risk on our roads, but the message is now clear: if you drive in a dangerous manner, you will be caught" State Police and Emergency Services Minister Bob Cameron said.

"Almost half of the cars seized were Holdens at 49.8% trailed by fords with 16%"

this brings memories of the Dandenong-Frankston road and the Noble park Maccas busts :

They should just set Sandown Park one night a fortnight.

what are your thoughts?

just a note on Dandenong, which they haven't inlcdued the following suburbs

Cranbroune
Doveton
Noble Park
Narre Warren
Mulgrave
Roville

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by Ralliart

just a note on Dandenong, which they haven't inlcdued the following suburbs

Cranbroune
Doveton
Noble Park
Narre Warren
Mulgrave
Rowville

I think you’ll find that when they mention a suburb, it generally includes the surrounding areas. Do you expect them to name every suburb they confiscate a car from?

[Ralliart]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

I think you’ll find that when they mention a suburb, it generally includes the surrounding areas. Do you expect them to name every suburb they confiscate a car from?

i agree i see your point

[SiKoRa_eL_97]

^^^^yep lol

[mcflux]

Sif Shepparton isn't there