91 Unleaded to be phased out.

Yellow_Festiva · 20-10-2008, 05:12 PM

I hear that regular unleaded will soon be no more.

The options will be E10, 95 and 98 octane.

My car is not designed for E10 according the the leaflets and online resources etc.

What would a conversion involve and cost? In the end I'll prob just bite the bullet and get the 95...

Hmmmm may be good?? I'll go from 57kw to an even 60kw if i'm lucky

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Shell has already started phasing out here in Syd...

GS608 · 20-10-2008, 05:33 PM

E10 can be used in almost any car these days so its nothing big

schnoods · 20-10-2008, 05:40 PM

Its a good thing IMO.

timace · 20-10-2008, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by XR-CHIEF

E10 can be used in almost any car these days so its nothing big

Haha, not any. I made that mistake with the Telstar, killed the fuel pump.

GS608 · 20-10-2008, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by timace

Haha, not any. I made that mistake with the Telstar, killed the fuel pump.

i did say almost lol

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Rodp · 20-10-2008, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by timace

Haha, not any. I made that mistake with the Telstar, killed the fuel pump.

E10 killed your fuel pump? I'd wager that the fuel pump would have gone cactus had there not been any E10 in your tank at the time.

devilcv8 · 20-10-2008, 05:45 PM

good. I run either 95, 98 or E10 depending on which pump I pull up at. haven't put 91 in a car for ages that I haven't been forced to.

want-a-XY · 20-10-2008, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by devilcv8

good. I run either 95, 98 or E10 depending on which pump I pull up at. haven't put 91 in a car for ages that I haven't been forced to.

i think E10 is one of the stupidest ideas ever. the farmers are going to burn millions of litres of diesel planting, growing and harvesting their crops to turn into ethanol, then it's going to make up 10% of petrol, which apparently is more "GREEN" to the environment.

so the millions and millions of Litres of diesel which are burnt producing the diesel is going to be offset by the 10% in some petrol?!?!?!?!?! DON'T THINK SO

absolutely pointless to me

xr andy · 20-10-2008, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by want-a-XY

i think E10 is one of the stupidest ideas ever. the farmers are going to burn millions of litres of diesel planting, growing and harvesting their crops to turn into ethanol, then it's going to make up 10% of petrol, which apparently is more "GREEN" to the environment.

so the millions and millions of Litres of diesel which are burnt producing the diesel is going to be offset by the 10% in some petrol?!?!?!?!?! DON'T THINK SO

absolutely pointless to me

thay have been using ethanol in brazil for years ,pure ethanol,if more gets used less petrol gets used price goes down

geckoGT · 20-10-2008, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by want-a-XY

i think E10 is one of the stupidest ideas ever. the farmers are going to burn millions of litres of diesel planting, growing and harvesting their crops to turn into ethanol, then it's going to make up 10% of petrol, which apparently is more "GREEN" to the environment.

so the millions and millions of Litres of diesel which are burnt producing the diesel is going to be offset by the 10% in some petrol?!?!?!?!?! DON'T THINK SO

absolutely pointless to me

I think you need to talk to some of the grain producing farmers, my parents often produce more crop as do many of the wheat farmers than there is a market for in the traditional international market, resulting in poor grain prices. Open up a new market, namely fuel production and it would mean more income for what they are already producing, with little increase in the amount of diesel they burn putting it into the ground.

Anything that supports australian primary industry instead of international primary industry is a good thing in my view.

I often run E10 95 in our ute, cheapr than normal 95 and I can not tell the difference in power or economy. The extra bonus is I support our farmers.

Buddy 1 · 20-10-2008, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by want-a-XY

i think E10 is one of the stupidest ideas ever. the farmers are going to burn millions of litres of diesel planting, growing and harvesting their crops to turn into ethanol, then it's going to make up 10% of petrol, which apparently is more "GREEN" to the environment.

so the millions and millions of Litres of diesel which are burnt producing the diesel is going to be offset by the 10% in some petrol?!?!?!?!?! DON'T THINK SO

absolutely pointless to me

As far as I know the Sugar cane Farmer still gets his Sugar from his cane as usual & it is only what is left after that process which is turned into Ethanol.

And it is not Millions of Litres to grow a Sugar cane crop lol as you plant it & then it grows & then you harvest it.

Soon enough we will be E85 & this will be a Great Day as not only will it be cheaper, provide a Boost to our Economy but also be better for the Pollution levels.

Bring it on

And I run my XR6 Ute on E10 which actually runs smoother than 91 or 95 Octane regular Unleaded (it is 95 Octane).
I can run a 98 Tune on E10 with no Pinging

Nikked · 20-10-2008, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddy 1

As far as I know the Sugar cane Farmer still gets his Sugar from his cane as usual & it is only what is left after that process which is turned into Ethanol.

And it is not Millions of Litres to grow a Sugar cane crop lol as you plant it & then it grows & then you harvest it.

Soon enough we will be E85 & this will be a Great Day as not only will it be cheaper, provide a Boost to our Economy but also be better for the Pollution levels.

Bring it on

And I run my XR6 Ute on E10 which actually runs smoother than 91 or 95 Octane regular Unleaded (it is 95 Octane).
I can run a 98 Tune on E10 with no Pinging

yep, i think alot of people need to look in to E10. Most people who reject it sound like my pop...

"Ran into bill down at the market and he said E10 is useless because ol' ted told him that he had a yarn to some bloke who read somwhere that pure ethanol can wreck rubber hoses"

Nikked · 20-10-2008, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by want-a-XY

i think E10 is one of the stupidest ideas ever. the farmers are going to burn millions of litres of diesel planting, growing and harvesting their crops to turn into ethanol, then it's going to make up 10% of petrol, which apparently is more "GREEN" to the environment.

so the millions and millions of Litres of diesel which are burnt producing the diesel is going to be offset by the 10% in some petrol?!?!?!?!?! DON'T THINK SO

absolutely pointless to me

Well maybe you should look in more to it...

Correct me if im wrong, but most (if not all) of the ethenol used in E10 comes from sugercain already harvested for suger production... It uses the liquid by product. So its not really causeing much harm...

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Well someone beat me!

Spanrz · 20-10-2008, 05:47 PM

I can see it now, everyone groing a crop of sugar cane in the back yard.

When the cops see it, the first thing you say is "Hey it's for personal consumption....Honest"

BlackLS · 20-10-2008, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

I hear that regular unleaded will soon be no more.

The options will be E10, 95 and 98 octane.

My car is not designed for E10 according the the leaflets and online resources etc.

What would a conversion involve and cost? In the end I'll prob just bite the bullet and get the 95...

Hmmmm may be good?? I'll go from 57kw to an even 60kw if i'm lucky

:

Shell has already started phasing out here in Syd...

For the cost of converting all the fuel system, you'd probably be better off buying 98ron for the life of the car.

Yellow_Festiva · 20-10-2008, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackLS

For the cost of converting all the fuel system, you'd probably be better off buying 98ron for the life of the car.

So very true.

pauljh74 · 20-10-2008, 06:01 PM

This might mean a few models get small engine tweaks if E10 becomes the base fuel. With a RON of 94(?), it could unleash a few more kw over cars tuned for 91 RON

bloggs24 · 20-10-2008, 05:49 PM

I use E10 and normal Unleaded when i have to, may try 98 some day, just to see any difference.

FPV8U · 20-10-2008, 06:06 PM

Doesn't bother me, i run mine on 98 even though it has the standard tune anyways.

Wonder if it would affect the price of the 95 at all though?

Spudz27 · 20-10-2008, 06:13 PM

I always use 98 so meh, until 98 becomes too expensive I will continue to use it, although I think it will be ages before Perth gets E10 let alone country W.A where I am from.

The Monty · 20-10-2008, 06:18 PM

E10 gave me a flat tire once. And a mate of mine also had his power windows stuff up when using it.

And yes I do understand that some cars cant have it, but honestly, 85% of the cars on this forum could with ZERO side effects.

Daymoe · 20-10-2008, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

I hear that regular unleaded will soon be no more.

The options will be E10, 95 and 98 octane.

My car is not designed for E10 according the the leaflets and online resources etc.

What would a conversion involve and cost? In the end I'll prob just bite the bullet and get the 95...

Hmmmm may be good?? I'll go from 57kw to an even 60kw if i'm lucky

:

Shell has already started phasing out here in Syd...

You've got the same model car as my mum, not sure if yours is a 1999 one but hers is and it can take one hell of a punishing, believe me, not being serviced for 5 years, running no oil in the gearbox and countless times of running crappy fuel plus being thrashed, this thing still putters on, the Festiva could skull ethanol with no problems haha. (though the servicing bill for the service it just got recently came in at $3700 lol)

FPV+fteT3 · 20-10-2008, 06:30 PM

Always use 98 even inthe Impreza they both go better on the good stuff. Dont look at the price on a tankfull the total is only a couple of dollars more for 98 and yr motor will appreciate it.

Pinch · 20-10-2008, 06:52 PM

Until all the farmers are using E10, or biodiesel it seems to my uneducated (about these things) understanding that it is a case of using more fuel to make fuel.

While the Subie and Mini run on 95, the Fairlane and both boats run 91. The boats (90's Malibu, and little outboard on tinnie) can't use E10, and I wouldn't like to try the Tickford engined Fairlane either. I spose all 3 can run on 95, but then I am paying extra for something that have never needed and will never need. Despite some testing I have never gotten any discernable extra fuel economy from any of my Fords on higher RON either. (EF Futura, EF XR6, BA XR6 and NC Sportsman).

Just a fuel price hike for me, pure and simple.

Yellow_Festiva · 20-10-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 90sFTW

You've got the same model car as my mum, not sure if yours is a 1999 one but hers is and it can take one hell of a punishing, believe me, not being serviced for 5 years, running no oil in the gearbox and countless times of running crappy fuel plus being thrashed, this thing still putters on, the Festiva could skull ethanol with no problems haha. (though the servicing bill for the service it just got recently came in at $3700 lol)

Haaaa mine is a 99. Yes... no one will believe me when I say these things are near BULLET PROOF....

Ticked over 190,000km a few weeks ago, basic servicing, and has never let me down, not once, never. It would be at around 250,000km had the car not been off the road during all my time travelling.

Still gets 5.7L/100km on the freeway, and 6.4L/100km when driven in slow city traffic....

Hmmm I think I'll stick to getting the 95 however, don't want to tempt fate and cause an early demise to my beloved and unique Yellow Festiva lol.

Daymoe · 20-10-2008, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Haaaa mine is a 99. Yes... no one will believe me when I say these things are near BULLET PROOF....

Ticked over 190,000km a few weeks ago, basic servicing, and has never let me down, not once, never. It would be at around 250,000km had the car not been off the road during all my time travelling.

Still gets 5.7L/100km on the freeway, and 6.4L/100km when driven in slow city traffic....

Hmmm I think I'll stick to getting the 95 however, don't want to tempt fate and cause an early demise to my beloved and unique Yellow Festiva lol.

The only problem Mum is having with hers is that when she accelerates, the gear stick slightly moves backwards when in gear towards neutral, otherwise its perfectly fine, 57Kw of mind blowing power! Its got over 200,000km on it. I'll bet it'll make 250,000km before major problems.

geckoGT · 20-10-2008, 06:53 PM

I don't imagine it will have any efect on the price of 95 as E10 is the new 91. The writing has been on the wall for this for a long time.

Good for Australian industry, especially the sugar cane but can flow onto others as any carbohydrate crop can be used, some with a higher litre per tonne yield than others.

One thing Australia has is no shortage of agriculture.

Nikked · 20-10-2008, 06:56 PM

I don't see anything wrong with E10, thats low enough for most cars, but too many seem to think its poison for your car.

What will this do to prices? 98 come down? E10 go up?

vztrt · 20-10-2008, 07:04 PM

I run E10 95 ron so not really gonna bother me.

goof · 20-10-2008, 07:13 PM

There is nothin wrong with E10, and i dont see how you have to use more fuel to make fuel when you use left over crop that we dont use for food production.
In some of the servo's that ive had to relief manage in that sell e10, its good to see how many people buy it. I've used it myself in the XR and it had great economy, better than 91 and matched 95, but not as much power as the higher octanes. But that can all be fixed with a tune. As with all cars, to run e10 effectivaly you need to advace the timing due to the way it burns. its not that hard to turn a dizzy a bit on an older car. And most newer cars the ecu should advance a little after a few tanks of it