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06-05-2010, 03:59 PM | #1 | |||
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http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2010...in-black-19274
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06-05-2010, 04:49 PM | #2 | ||
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Great news!! Nice to see profit can be made on the current (well 2009 levels) of production.. This should get better this year with them tracking at double digit growth on locally built cars. As long as Ford Aust can stay profitable I think locally built Falcons will stay.. HOPEFULLY
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06-05-2010, 05:01 PM | #3 | |||
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http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-new...0506-uem3.html
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06-05-2010, 06:25 PM | #5 | ||||
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Don't know of too many other companies in Australia investing $305million a year in R&D.
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07-05-2010, 12:58 PM | #6 | |||||
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For me, it was more the concern that in 'bumper' periods of the year, when other manufacturers exploded in sales, Ford never seemed to 'take off' like others did. Record months and record quarters seemed to have no discernible positive sales impact to Ford. The concern here was when customers seemed to have money and raised buying confidence during these record periods, they weren't putting their money towards Ford. The concern then was whether this trend would continue when the growth started to be more consistent as opposed to sporadic bumper periods. i.e. the economy is currently on the rise but will Ford rise with it. After all, why is not not possible for Ford to have higher sales than it's competitors AND make a profit? Is this not possible? Ford US is topping the charts in sales AND is making a profit. But then in contrast, Ford didn't have the low's that those manufacturers did. Steady and strong seemed to be the order of the day for Ford. In saying all of this, as a Ford enthusiast with blue blood, i will never be ashamed of being their biggest critic. It is my right as a Ford Fan and as a consumer. As a Ford Fan i am ecstatic at this positive news and feel more assured of Ford's future.
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07-05-2010, 01:36 PM | #7 | |||
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Its very likely that Holden out sell Ford simply because of price hence the contrasting profitability of both companies. If both companies had adopted the others strategy there might also be a reversal in sales numbers too. The encouraging thing is Ford have found a way to be profitable at their current production levels, what this means is they can steadily grow the brand and gain incremental business based on product quality, not price... Holden have geared their business to NEED volume and can't turn the "sausage machine" off hence their pricing and lack of profitability...... Out of curiosity which of the 2 companies, (Ford and Holden) sold the most cars made in Australia last month??? Which one sold the most SEDANS last month?????
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07-05-2010, 02:15 PM | #8 | |||
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It is just interesting that there is a black and white view that you cannot sell the most cars and make a profit. Why not? What economic/business/commercial/etc reason is there for this? Again, didn't Ford US just achieve this? Admittedly, they were only on the top of sales for April (and another month...can't remember), but if the trend continues they will be selling higher volumes than their competitors using profitable vehicles. I understand it is a different market over there influenced by different situations but i can't believe that it is that black and white here? What about all of the other concepts that impact sales such as quality, brand loyalty, value, customer service, effective marketing etc. Surely it isn't as simple as 'Ford need to drop $10,000 from the retail price of their cars and start losing money to sell as many units as their competitors'? The above concepts are much harder to implement, but that seems to be the winning approach of Ford US and it is surely 'paying' off for them.
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06-05-2010, 05:02 PM | #10 | ||
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So here is the 'productivity gives profit' argument:
Holden sell 119,568 vehicles and turn 3.8 billion revenue into a loss of 210.6 million. OK lets ignore the loss due to the export mistake and call it a profit of 12.8 million Ford sell 23000 less vehicles (96,501) with 660 million less revenue (ie 3.14 Billion) make the same profit (13 million) Ford is a more efficient and productive company Holden: Revenue Per Vehicle Sold: $31,781 Ford: Revenue Per Vehicle Sold: $32,539 Holden: Profit per vehicle sold: $107 (or loss of $1,761 including failed export program) Ford: Profit per vehicle sold: $135 (of course the profit figures would be skewed by reporting tricks that we would assume both companies use equally) On average Ford makes 30% more profit per vehicle sold ! |
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06-05-2010, 05:54 PM | #11 | |||
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06-05-2010, 06:11 PM | #12 | |||
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GMH were too dumb, unwilling or unable to change their practices and sailed along with a she'll be right attitude just like their parent company. But looked good / strong to the general public. The reality is they needed a $200M loan from the Australian government, were unable to afford to pay redundancies and have continued to defer the next big thing. The Cruze, 3 times already. Ford made the right decisions and copped the wrath of the media/public for cutting production and down-balancing. Just like their parent company did. GM went bust to the tune of $100B and Ford US scraped through whilst heavily investing in future products. Ford US have now started to make sizeable profits. Finally, notice the words that Burela is using. “Absolute laser focus”. This is a Mulally saying. Very promising.
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06-05-2010, 06:19 PM | #13 | |||
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06-05-2010, 06:54 PM | #14 | |||
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Nope ! Ford right sized the business and topped up the Superfund ravaged by the GFC. Holden ? They lost money on unsold inventory and lost business. They will have significant losses this year .. I'll put money on it ! |
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06-05-2010, 09:21 PM | #15 | ||
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Ranger development as well included in that? Or is that funded by Ford US?
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07-05-2010, 03:09 PM | #16 | |||
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Holden also made substantial losses in 2008 and 2007. |
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06-05-2010, 05:04 PM | #17 | ||
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In all honesty I reckon a $13M profit is as good as $130M for FoA in Ford's eyes. If they can atleast pay their way then there is less reason to change things, $100M in Ford NA's coffers wont make to much difference, but it gives FoA something to hang their hat on.
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06-05-2010, 05:17 PM | #18 | ||
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13m is alot of profit for a small country.
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06-05-2010, 05:20 PM | #19 | ||
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Made my day. Stoked!
And it's so bloody good to have it finally confirmed! Wonder what the Holden fanboy's excuse will be now. Bravo Ford AU. |
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06-05-2010, 05:47 PM | #20 | ||
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There you go. Have to say I'm seriously proud of that result, especially considering the market in 2009. I'm hoping with improved sales this year, a better market, and some truly great products can push Ford into the black for a second year running. 2011 however looks like the year of all years for Ford, and while with all the big releases may not see a profit it'll be the year that sets the trend for sales:
- 2.0L EcoBoost Falcon. Opens the market to fuel conscious private sales and a huge potential for fleet sales. - New LPG engine. Again, private and fleet markets alike will rejoice over this. - 5.0L V8. It'll be established, and by 2011 should be winning back some market share from the red side. - Revised Territory. Finally, a decent makeover, and a 2.7L Diesel engine should give the Territory a decent boost. - New Focus. In Australia's biggest market, the small sedan/hatch combo should win Ford some major market share by the looks of what they've produced. - Kuga. There's talk that this will be manufactured in Thailand to replace the Escape, if so I'm excited. May not be a huge seller, but great for Ford's image. Most of this depends on one factor though, can Ford produce the Falcon/Territory/Ute in bigger numbers (lets face it, there's some great potential to increase sales here) and will doing so keep them profitable? They've proved you don't need volume, but two of these new engines will hit a sweet spot with fleets, and with a diesel Territory, private buyers will surely be wanting in on that. I can't wait to see what Ford comes up with, personally I'm very positive for the future of Ford Australia, and the Falcon.
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And Holdens official response to the Ford profit?
http://www.holden.com.au/microsites/...eaderImage#/6/ BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! GM had to throw them a lifeline!
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06-05-2010, 06:24 PM | #22 | ||
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A good result by Ford. Well done, keep it up, you need to.
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06-05-2010, 09:22 PM | #23 | ||
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This is great, if Ford AUS keeps turning a profit I suppose it will make us look viable to Ford USA to keep the Falcon.
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06-05-2010, 09:34 PM | #24 | ||
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great stuff ford keep it up!
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06-05-2010, 10:04 PM | #25 | ||
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Frighteningly quiet thread for what is one of the most significant good news stories for Ford in a long time...
28 posts in 6 hours? Come on guys, surely we're not just interested in bad news and controversy.. Had it been a loss posted im sure we'd be up to 5 pages by now.. not 1...
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06-05-2010, 10:10 PM | #26 | |||
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Congratulations Ford. Hopefully this is just the first step of recovery and we continue to see profits and more importantly aussie built fords in years to come. |
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Give them a Daewoo replacement to their Barina, which was inferior to its Opel based product, and they rejoice. Give us the fantastic Euro based MK7 Fiesta, and we winge about how the boot doesn't have carpet on the back of the seats! HAHA.
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07-05-2010, 11:49 AM | #28 | |||
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so true !! what can I say Ford are awesome !!! I glad Im on the right team
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Great result by Ford Australia.
For all those clowns wanting XR wagons, coupes, flying-SUVs and time-travelling FPVs, THIS is why you will NOT be getting them. Ford making smart decisions and knowing their own limits, but working sensibly within them. With fewer sales than Holden, Ford has posted a better 2009 result. What does that tell you? It tells you that if you are not satisfied with Ford's result or their range, then feel free to visit the Lion and buy one of their failed projects. Heaven knows they need it.
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